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2023 Draft Signing Period
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 14, 2023 11:56:19 GMT -5
Yes, they have saved $600k when compared to the slot values, but the current signings (Weims, Rose, O'Donnel, Wehunt) have all been over the estimated values by roughly a total of $370k, which means the amount of available money to throw at Call is shrinking. That's all I am saying... Yes, I have no idea what Teel, Zantello, Anderson, etc might be considering or if the reported signing numbers are even accurate. So if you don't know if the reported signing numbers are accurate, and if you don't know what they're considering, what are you using as the basis for "expected signing estimates it doesn't appear there is going to be any money". "I don't know" is not an expectation. The only sort of expectation we've been given is from directly what Mike posted. In his updated projections, which include the signings that have already come in, he still has the Red Sox with enough money to throw $600K at one of the high school guys, and that's with what I believe to be still too high a number for Anderson. Does that mean Call is willing to take that? No clue. But it seems very possible if not probable that the money will at least be there. If you doubt the estimates that Mike put out, fine, but you made it seem like you've seen estimates that actively go against that information. First post of this thread. What are you using?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 14, 2023 11:57:21 GMT -5
So if you don't know if the reported signing numbers are accurate, and if you don't know what they're considering, what are you using as the basis for "expected signing estimates it doesn't appear there is going to be any money". "I don't know" is not an expectation. The only sort of expectation we've been given is from directly what Mike posted. In his updated projections, which include the signings that have already come in, he still has the Red Sox with enough money to throw $600K at one of the high school guys, and that's with what I believe to be still too high a number for Anderson. Does that mean Call is willing to take that? No clue. But it seems very possible if not probable that the money will at least be there. If you doubt the estimates that Mike put out, fine, but you made it seem like you've seen estimates that actively go against that information. First post of this thread. What are you using? The updated projections he posted two hours ago on page 5
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 14, 2023 12:00:18 GMT -5
First post of this thread. What are you using? The updated projections he posted two hours ago on page 5 Hopefully that's right
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2023 12:01:32 GMT -5
There are always guys who sign for way less than we think and guys who sign for more.
Don't forget that saving 100k or two on Teel, for example, may not seem like much in the context of what his bonus will be but could go a long way elsewhere.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 14, 2023 13:11:27 GMT -5
There are always guys who sign for way less than we think and guys who sign for more. Don't forget that saving 100k or two on Teel, for example, may not seem like much in the context of what his bonus will be but could go a long way elsewhere. Correct me if I’m wrong on this, but you only get the slot value (and therefore the 5% overage) if you actually sign the guy, right? So signing Teel for 200k under slot would mean they have ~450k extra to give out?
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 14, 2023 13:26:20 GMT -5
There are always guys who sign for way less than we think and guys who sign for more. Don't forget that saving 100k or two on Teel, for example, may not seem like much in the context of what his bonus will be but could go a long way elsewhere. Correct me if I’m wrong on this, but you only get the slot value (and therefore the 5% overage) if you actually sign the guy, right? So signing Teel for 200k under slot would mean they have ~450k extra to give out? That's my understanding too.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 14, 2023 13:40:18 GMT -5
Does Jason Varitek spend time with the minor league affiliates during the season? I feel like I always see him in the dugout. So, when would he work with Teel? Spring training? I basically don’t believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Scott Boras. Not been to Ft Myers personally since 2021, but then and earlier can only say that have never seen Tek when we made the drive south for multiple days during the FCL season most seasons prior to that and Geddy (Rich Gedman) was the only "known" prior catcher, who coaches in the system saw and chatted with. Those who might remember Geddy from his playing days may remember he wasn't exactly the best defensive C boston ever drafted from the outset, but became a good glove guy by the time he arrived at the MLB level with the Sox.
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2023 13:45:57 GMT -5
Does Jason Varitek spend time with the minor league affiliates during the season? I feel like I always see him in the dugout. So, when would he work with Teel? Spring training? I basically don’t believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Scott Boras. Not been to Ft Myers personally since 2021, but then and earlier can only say that have never seen Tek when we made the drive south for multiple days during the FCL season most seasons prior to that and Geddy (Rich Gedman) was the only "known" prior catcher, who coaches in the system saw and chatted with. Those who might remember Geddy from his playing days may remember he wasn't exactly the best defensive C boston ever drafted from the outset, but became a good glove guy by the time he arrived at the MLB level with the Sox. Met Gedman on the cape at a baseball expo one year. I was a shy kid so I was nervous to talk to him after my dad told me who he was (I was a mere -6 years old for that 1986 team lol). I remember him being so friendly with everybody. Signed a ball for me.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 14, 2023 14:14:43 GMT -5
This is purely anecdotal, but it seems like a lot of the rounds 5-10 bonuses are closer to their slot values than they've been in the past. Not sure if that's portal/NIL leverage, coincidence, or just an incorrection interpretation, but something that popped up in my mind.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 14, 2023 14:28:48 GMT -5
Not been to Ft Myers personally since 2021, but then and earlier can only say that have never seen Tek when we made the drive south for multiple days during the FCL season most seasons prior to that and Geddy (Rich Gedman) was the only "known" prior catcher, who coaches in the system saw and chatted with. Those who might remember Geddy from his playing days may remember he wasn't exactly the best defensive C boston ever drafted from the outset, but became a good glove guy by the time he arrived at the MLB level with the Sox. Met Gedman on the cape at a baseball expo one year. I was a shy kid so I was nervous to talk to him after my dad told me who he was (I was a mere -6 years old for that 1986 team lol). I remember him being so friendly with everybody. Signed a ball for me. Geddy roomed with Pete Ladd and Dennis Burtt after he was drafted while with the Hasox and that place was next street over in a small apartment complex. geddy was, like you mentioned really a nice guy, like his old teammate pete Ladd and just a blast to chat with even then, the 1978 season. Have posted here, or written elsewhere many of the stories from those days, but with Geddy? it was how he managed to put up good numbers at Winter haven while at the same time terrible allergy problems, so much so where sometimes his face and eyes were very red and putting on all that gear like he did, Orange Blossoms believe it was finally found out the cause, but how he worked his way thru 1 area many don't think of when it comes to the game. That season he was "here" and they won the FSL title he gave me a team picture a photographer from local newspaper had taken of the team which won the FSL crown that year, wrote bunch of nice things on back of it. Have met many players over the years, some of course outgoig and very friendly towards fans. Some terrific guys.. Himself, Ladd, Danny Weppner, Luis deleon just a few, then some who have the attitude problem many develop once they get to the MLB level. Geddy rates highest and might correct me.. But think haSox manager (then) Rac Slider worked with him on his placement behind the dish mostly that season with Rac being a former MiLB C himself in his day.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 14, 2023 14:30:22 GMT -5
Let's stay focused on draft signings, please.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 14, 2023 14:37:17 GMT -5
Mariners signed Colt Emerson for $3.8 million (300k overslot at 22) and Tai Peete for $2.5 million (230k underslot at 30). Two guys that fit the profile for strong Red Sox interest.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 14, 2023 14:40:48 GMT -5
Mariners signed Colt Emerson for $3.8 million (300k overslot at 22) and Tai Peete for $2.5 million (230k underslot at 30). Two guys that fit the profile for strong Red Sox interest. Kyle Teel + Caden Rose vs. Tai Peete + George Wolkow (semi-placeholder name there) is an interesting discussion point, imo.
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Post by bosox904 on Jul 14, 2023 14:56:12 GMT -5
This is purely anecdotal, but it seems like a lot of the rounds 5-10 bonuses are closer to their slot values than they've been in the past. Not sure if that's portal/NIL leverage, coincidence, or just an incorrection interpretation, but something that popped up in my mind. I wonder how much, if any, guys in those rounds are making any NIL momey.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2023 16:06:39 GMT -5
This is purely anecdotal, but it seems like a lot of the rounds 5-10 bonuses are closer to their slot values than they've been in the past. Not sure if that's portal/NIL leverage, coincidence, or just an incorrection interpretation, but something that popped up in my mind. Not really. Look at 2021. Varies year to year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2023 16:08:17 GMT -5
Correct me if I’m wrong on this, but you only get the slot value (and therefore the 5% overage) if you actually sign the guy, right? So signing Teel for 200k under slot would mean they have ~450k extra to give out? That's my understanding too. Yeah I think the point here is it's easy to forget that you can go 5% over each slot and still be "slot" in that you don't need money saved elsewhere.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 14, 2023 16:18:09 GMT -5
This is purely anecdotal, but it seems like a lot of the rounds 5-10 bonuses are closer to their slot values than they've been in the past. Not sure if that's portal/NIL leverage, coincidence, or just an incorrection interpretation, but something that popped up in my mind. Not really. Look at 2021. Varies year to year. Are you referring to Sox-specific or league wide? I’m talking about the latter.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 14, 2023 16:48:21 GMT -5
Not the end all be all, but Wimmer is #254 on BA's board, 1 spot behind Call.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 14, 2023 16:53:11 GMT -5
Keith Law reporting that Matt Shaw got full slot from the Cubs.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 14, 2023 17:41:40 GMT -5
Am I correct that these deals also can include contingent scholarship mo ey not counting toward cap. So call could get 500k and another 275k in money toward UCLA.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 14, 2023 17:58:50 GMT -5
Am I correct that these deals also can include contingent scholarship mo ey not counting toward cap. So call could get 500k and another 275k in money toward UCLA. Anyone know if there is a limit to how much college money you can offer a guy?
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Post by rizdog on Jul 14, 2023 18:48:41 GMT -5
Am I correct that these deals also can include contingent scholarship mo ey not counting toward cap. So call could get 500k and another 275k in money toward UCLA. Anyone know if there is a limit to how much college money you can offer a guy? I'm not positive, but I think it used to be that the team could give you the equivalent of the cost of 4 years tuition to the school you were committed too and that money was put in escrow. Then you had a certain number of years after you leave pro ball to use it.
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Post by rominelettuce on Jul 15, 2023 9:02:43 GMT -5
Anyone know if there is a limit to how much college money you can offer a guy? I'm not positive, but I think it used to be that the team could give you the equivalent of the cost of 4 years tuition to the school you were committed too and that money was put in escrow. Then you had a certain number of years after you leave pro ball to use it. A league-wide program, the MLB College Scholarship Program, has existed for a number of years now. The financing of this fund is hard to work out, but if the team agrees to tick that box on your original pro contract, their contribution does not count against the bonus pool. It doesn't seem like it is a negotiated amount specific to the cost of your committed school.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 15, 2023 11:56:46 GMT -5
I'm not positive, but I think it used to be that the team could give you the equivalent of the cost of 4 years tuition to the school you were committed too and that money was put in escrow. Then you had a certain number of years after you leave pro ball to use it. A league-wide program, the MLB College Scholarship Program, has existed for a number of years now. The financing of this fund is hard to work out, but if the team agrees to tick that box on your original pro contract, their contribution does not count against the bonus pool. It doesn't seem like it is a negotiated amount specific to the cost of your committed school. Thanks. With you providing the name, I found this. Nothing about a limit—suggesting that might be up to the team. Can cover both tuition and living expenses. But it does count as taxable income. img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/upload/mlb/i7qlplmry6pg6grylyg0.pdf
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2023 15:44:52 GMT -5
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