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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 9, 2023 8:27:29 GMT -5
I understand the unlikelihood of trading with a team like the Yankees, but a Gleyber Torres for Alex Verdugo trade could work for both teams. We might have to send a little bit more value their way but I don't think it would take anyone in the top 15.
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Post by cdj on Nov 9, 2023 8:38:12 GMT -5
I understand the unlikelihood of trading with a team like the Yankees, but a Gleyber Torres for Alex Verdugo trade could work for both teams. We might have to send a little bit more value their way but I don't think it would take anyone in the top 15. Count me in, kinda perfect deal for both sides. Sox get a legit 2B who also happens to provide RHH pop, Yankees get a starting OF who puts the ball in play and plays good defense |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 9, 2023 8:44:47 GMT -5
I understand the unlikelihood of trading with a team like the Yankees, but a Gleyber Torres for Alex Verdugo trade could work for both teams. We might have to send a little bit more value their way but I don't think it would take anyone in the top 15. Count me in, kinda perfect deal for both sides. Sox get a legit 2B who also happens to provide RHH pop, Yankees get a starting OF who puts the ball in play and plays good defense I'd do it and not think twice about it assuming a lower tiered prospect but I suspect the Yankees will aim higher than Verdugo for their LH bat. |
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Post by asm19 on Nov 9, 2023 9:50:08 GMT -5
I understand the unlikelihood of trading with a team like the Yankees, but a Gleyber Torres for Alex Verdugo trade could work for both teams. We might have to send a little bit more value their way but I don't think it would take anyone in the top 15. Count me in, kinda perfect deal for both sides. Sox get a legit 2B who also happens to provide RHH pop, Yankees get a starting OF who puts the ball in play and plays good defense My conspiracy brain wonders if they're trying to send Verdugo to the Yankees so as to disincentivize them away from Juan Soto, in the same way the Twins sicced Josh Donaldson/Kiner-Falefa on the Yankees so they could go ahead and steal Carlos Correa (the first time - when it was basically a one year deal with some player options) when the Yankees needed a shortshop. |
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Post by nomar on Nov 9, 2023 10:39:25 GMT -5
I think a Verdugo for Torres trade would make a lot of sense for both teams, but I don’t want Verdugo to play for the Yankees. I think he would hit far better in that stadium and the Red Sox would end up looking stupid for something out of their control.
That being said, I certainly don’t want Soto there either.
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 9, 2023 10:43:15 GMT -5
I’d make that trade straight up for sure
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Post by manfred on Nov 9, 2023 10:56:42 GMT -5
I am not sure I see it from the Yankees’ perspective. Why help their main rival when there are likely a number of OF options?
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Post by jimoh on Nov 9, 2023 11:04:20 GMT -5
I understand the unlikelihood of trading with a team like the Yankees, but a Gleyber Torres for Alex Verdugo trade could work for both teams. We might have to send a little bit more value their way but I don't think it would take anyone in the top 15. Why would we send more value? Verdugo is a well-above average fielder; while Torres is slightly below average. |
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Post by fenwaydouble on Nov 9, 2023 11:10:17 GMT -5
I understand the unlikelihood of trading with a team like the Yankees, but a Gleyber Torres for Alex Verdugo trade could work for both teams. We might have to send a little bit more value their way but I don't think it would take anyone in the top 15. Why would we send more value? Verdugo is a well-above average fielder; while Torres is slightly below average. Because Torres is significantly better than Verdugo? I agree with Manfred - not sure why the Yankees would do this without taking in another fairly valuable piece. |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 9, 2023 11:11:49 GMT -5
I understand the unlikelihood of trading with a team like the Yankees, but a Gleyber Torres for Alex Verdugo trade could work for both teams. We might have to send a little bit more value their way but I don't think it would take anyone in the top 15. Why would we send more value? Verdugo is a well-above average fielder; while Torres is slightly below average. Offense? WAR totals? Projections? Torres is clearly the more valuable player.
Of course the Yankees need offense desperately so I don't know why they'd make this deal.
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Post by asm19 on Nov 9, 2023 11:36:05 GMT -5
Why would we send more value? Verdugo is a well-above average fielder; while Torres is slightly below average. Offense? WAR totals? Projections? Torres is clearly the more valuable player.
Of course the Yankees need offense desperately so I don't know why they'd make this deal.
The other speculative NYY-Verdugo trade return has been Clarke Schmidt, who I was surprised to discover threw more innings last year (159) than anyone on the Red Sox last year. (Closest was Bello with 157 IP). 4.64 ERA, 4.30 xERA, 4.42 FIP. Not spectacular by any means, but for a guy with 4 years of team control that's a useful player. The idea that they would trade Schmidt for one year of Verdugo also doesn't seem to fit, unless we included another piece? |
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Post by vokuhila on Nov 9, 2023 11:38:38 GMT -5
Dougie to the MFY is scary for me. He has been a "decent regular" for us but I always felt that he had a couple of "allstar level" seasons in him. He just never showed that. He is a change of scenery guy...I would just hate to see him breaking out as a Yankee.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 9, 2023 11:58:56 GMT -5
Torres is about the perfect fit for 2nd base for 2024 in my opinion so if somehow the Yanks would accept Verdugo for Torres I'd be all for it, I'd probably even be alright throwing in a prospect. That being said Torres is roughly a 3 fWAR guy while Verdugo is roughly a 2fWAR guy so I'm not sure I see a trade to be made here. Then again maybe the Yanks think Peraza is ready to man 2nd. I believe I read somewhere that the Yanks want 2 OFers this year and I am sure they want at least one lefty to balance out the lineup so there are some things that perhaps line up here for the teams to get something done. That being said I still think the likelihood is pretty low.
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Post by Canseco on Nov 9, 2023 12:01:39 GMT -5
Dougie to the MFY is scary for me. He has been a "decent regular" for us but I always felt that he had a couple of "allstar level" seasons in him. He just never showed that. He is a change of scenery guy...I would just hate to see him breaking out as a Yankee. I wouldn’t send him to the Bronx just so we don’t have to see him add 5-10 wall scraper HRs to that absurd right field porch. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 9, 2023 12:08:59 GMT -5
Torres is about the perfect fit for 2nd base for 2024 in my opinion so if somehow the Yanks would accept Verdugo for Torres I'd be all for it, I'd probably even be alright throwing in a prospect. That being said Torres is roughly a 3 fWAR guy while Verdugo is roughly a 2fWAR guy so I'm not sure I see a trade to be made here. Then again maybe the Yanks think Peraza is ready to man 2nd. I believe I read somewhere that the Yanks want 2 OFers this year and I am sure they want at least one lefty to balance out the lineup so there are some things that perhaps line up here for the teams to get something done. That being said I still think the likelihood is pretty low. Yeah, I mean you kind of answer your own question here as to why they'd make that move. Torres is objectively (if there is such a thing) a better player in a vacuum but it's two teams dealing from positions of relative strength to balance lineups. I think the Yankees could probably find better offers so I'd be fine adding a prospect but it's also not super hard to see the logic behind why they'd do it. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 9, 2023 12:36:59 GMT -5
I don't think the MFYs would trade away one of their better bats to bring in a worse bat while opening up another hole in their IF. I think they'll address their (numerous and voluminous) holes around the diamond mostly by trading prospects and a little FA.
I think Verdugo ends up in SF or HOU. Hope he has a big walk year and lands a nice 4-5 year/$15-20m AAV deal off it.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 9, 2023 12:44:22 GMT -5
WAR is one way to judge a player’s trade value. But supply and demand come in here too. If there are few bats available Verdugo’s value goes up. I would want either to keep him or trade him for people who would help beyond 2024.
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Post by pk on Nov 9, 2023 13:33:34 GMT -5
Can’t say I agree that it is a good fit. I don’t want to help them in any way, and I’d rather see a trade for the 2nd baseman for the Angels. Better defensively, and similar batting profile to Verdugo I think. I’d even pop in a second tier prospect to sweeten the deal for the Angels.
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Post by majikthise on Nov 9, 2023 14:16:26 GMT -5
I would like to see if they can get Emerson Hancock for him. Fills the need for a major league ready arm with years of control but hasn't quite established a track record in the majors yet.
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Post by carl4sox on Nov 9, 2023 14:42:06 GMT -5
Apparently the Phils are interested. The mention is Nick Castellanos. But we don’t need another of, and I remember he’s not good defensively. Stott or Bohm, or some AA fire baller?
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Nov 9, 2023 14:47:57 GMT -5
Feels like folks around here will be disappointed with the actual value of Verdugo if a trade actually goes through.
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Post by cdj on Nov 9, 2023 14:49:55 GMT -5
Hancock scares me because he’s already getting PRP injections in his shoulder. Gotta take a risk on some talented young pitchers though, otherwise they probably wouldn’t even be available
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 9, 2023 14:50:44 GMT -5
Apparently the Phils are interested. The mention is Nick Castellanos. But we don’t need another of, and I remember he’s not good defensively. Stott or Bohm, or some AA fire baller? Verdugo would not be nearly enough for either of those guys, but frankly I would be perfectly content adding prospect equity for Stott. I doubt Philly would do Verdugo + Yorke, but I would in a heartbeat. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 9, 2023 14:51:03 GMT -5
Apparently the Phils are interested. The mention is Nick Castellanos. But we don’t need another of, and I remember he’s not good defensively. Stott or Bohm, or some AA fire baller? RHH DH Nick Castellanos in the middle of the lineup would probably be the plan Seems like Breslow prefers to not have a DH set in stone though |
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 9, 2023 14:53:16 GMT -5
Apparently the Phils are interested. The mention is Nick Castellanos. But we don’t need another of, and I remember he’s not good defensively. Stott or Bohm, or some AA fire baller? Can't imagine they'd have any interest in dealing Stott coming off a 3.9 fWAR year with 4 years of control left for one year of Verdugo. Castellanos is a giant no for me and I don't see what Bohm would really help either. Don't know if they'd do it but I'd be interested in a guy like Ranger Suarez from them, been a solid pitcher the last 3 seasons and has 2 years of control left. He can slot in to both the rotation if need be or kick into the pen. |
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