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Post by grandsalami on Nov 17, 2023 19:44:03 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 19:49:44 GMT -5
I'd have been a-okay with urias being the opening day 2nd baseman but at least they maybe got something for him?
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2023 19:49:55 GMT -5
Better than simply losing him for nothing
I would’ve tendered him a contract personally
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 17, 2023 19:50:25 GMT -5
For Julio Rodriguez probably.
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Post by asm19 on Nov 17, 2023 19:51:22 GMT -5
Isaiah Campbell per SEA beat writer
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2023 19:54:10 GMT -5
Fastball, cutter, slider
Fastball up to 95
Pitched in both AA and the bigs last year and was an effective 1 inning reliever
From Portugal. Bristol county rejoices.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 19:54:34 GMT -5
Quick look at campbells fangraph page says he's an interesting enough bullpen arm but I dunno I don't love it. I like urias and think there's a decent chance he bounces back.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 17, 2023 19:54:51 GMT -5
Well we're +1 middling middle reliever and -1 starting second baseman and RHH bat in the deal.
Hopefully there's a bigger plan here...
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Post by awalkinthepark on Nov 17, 2023 19:56:12 GMT -5
What an incredibly weird deadline acquisition.
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Post by juanpena on Nov 17, 2023 19:57:15 GMT -5
Well we're +1 middling middle reliever and -1 starting second baseman and RHH bat in the deal. Hopefully there's a bigger plan here... Nope, Breslow's done. This is the team he's rolling with.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 17, 2023 19:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Nov 17, 2023 20:00:30 GMT -5
Well we're +1 middling middle reliever and -1 starting second baseman and RHH bat in the deal. Hopefully there's a bigger plan here... Nope, Breslow's done. This is the team he's rolling with. Ha. Well what I mean is, I hope they have a specific idea about how they're going to fill 2B. Because all the FA options are worse than Urias in my opinion. Maybe they have a trade set up or something.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 20:04:32 GMT -5
I'm with incandenza on this one. I liked urias as a solid option to man 2nd base. Not gonna be an Allstar but probably will be about a league average 2nd baseman for 5 mil with upside to be above average. Scouring the FA class, sure there's Merrifield but he's probably getting double what urias will cost and to me seems like a guy who is going to get paid based off his name rather than current ability.
Obviously not a huge deal here, it's not going to make or break the roster but I'd have hung on to urias.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 17, 2023 20:07:17 GMT -5
Campbell is a nice get. Six years of control, two options and it looks like he's a legitimate contributor in a middle relief role. The pitch modeling loves his slider, not so much his fastball. Don't think I would trade him for Bradley Blalock
Don't really get why they didn't like Urias, but this deal looks fine in a vacuum.
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 17, 2023 20:12:47 GMT -5
I think we can find another negative WAR/ 0 WAR player from last year for less than $5.5 Million.
Campbell is cheap and has promising K-Rates that he carried into the MLB. He could be quite effective if he starts walking people at a rate more similar to his minor league numbers
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 17, 2023 20:13:26 GMT -5
Mariners fans seem to be fond of Campbell and are not happy about this move
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 20:18:06 GMT -5
I think we can find another negative WAR/ 0 WAR player from last year for less than $5.5 Million. Campbell is cheap and has promising K-Rates that he carried into the MLB. He could be quite effective if he starts walking people at a rate more similar to his minor league numbers Sure point to one injury riddled season and call urias a negative WAR player. Sure you are not wrong but it's also glossing over the fact he's just 26 years old and in 21 and 22 he was 2.1 and 2.3 fWAR. Maybe he doesn't bounce back but if he does this trade is going to look bad.
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 17, 2023 20:24:34 GMT -5
I think we can find another negative WAR/ 0 WAR player from last year for less than $5.5 Million. Campbell is cheap and has promising K-Rates that he carried into the MLB. He could be quite effective if he starts walking people at a rate more similar to his minor league numbers Sure point to one injury riddled season and call urias a negative WAR player. Sure you are not wrong but it's also glossing over the fact he's just 26 years old and in 21 and 22 he was 2.1 and 2.3 fWAR. Maybe he doesn't bounce back but if he does this trade is going to look bad. And we can all live with that if it means a better overall roster. Urias is and never was going to be our key to success. We were clearly going to non-tender him. So instead of nothing we get 6 years of a young and possibly effective reliever while saving roughly $5 million in salary, which can be used on other more impactful players. You literallly can win every single trade made from a "Value" standpoint and still not sport a very good team
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 17, 2023 20:26:34 GMT -5
This is fine but I hope Whit Merrifield isn’t plan A
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 20:28:49 GMT -5
Sure point to one injury riddled season and call urias a negative WAR player. Sure you are not wrong but it's also glossing over the fact he's just 26 years old and in 21 and 22 he was 2.1 and 2.3 fWAR. Maybe he doesn't bounce back but if he does this trade is going to look bad. And we can all live with that if it means a better overall roster. Urias is and never was going to be our key to success. We were clearly going to non-tender him. So instead of nothing we get 6 years of a young and possibly effective reliever while saving roughly $5 million in salary, which can be used on other more impactful players. You literallly can win every single trade made from a "Value" standpoint and still not sport a very good team I agree losing urias isn't gonna make or break the roster but if urias bounces back to a 2 WAR guy for just 5 million I have a hard time seeing how it's a win overall for the roster. Not claiming he's the key to success but as of right now urias seems to me to be a better option for 2nd base than any of the other available options.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 17, 2023 20:31:07 GMT -5
Trade looks great if their 2024 second baseman turns out to be Polanco or Edman or Ha-Seong Kim. Looks pretty bad if it turns out to be any pf the available free agents. So we wait.
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Post by bostoninsf on Nov 17, 2023 20:34:01 GMT -5
I think we can find another negative WAR/ 0 WAR player from last year for less than $5.5 Million. Campbell is cheap and has promising K-Rates that he carried into the MLB. He could be quite effective if he starts walking people at a rate more similar to his minor league numbers Sure point to one injury riddled season and call urias a negative WAR player. Sure you are not wrong but it's also glossing over the fact he's just 26 years old and in 21 and 22 he was 2.1 and 2.3 fWAR. Maybe he doesn't bounce back but if he does this trade is going to look bad. Here is where we need to cut Breslow some slack. This is, as was said so saliently above, the beginning, not the end of the process. Better to build depth and flexibility in the pitching staff than worrying about an adequate 2B. Especially at this point.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 20:41:20 GMT -5
Sure point to one injury riddled season and call urias a negative WAR player. Sure you are not wrong but it's also glossing over the fact he's just 26 years old and in 21 and 22 he was 2.1 and 2.3 fWAR. Maybe he doesn't bounce back but if he does this trade is going to look bad. Here is where we need to cut Breslow some slack. This is, as was said so saliently above, the beginning, not the end of the process. Better to build depth and flexibility in the pitching staff than worrying about an adequate 2B. Especially at this point. Fair, this is just the first domino. I will wait until the full picture is in sight. I'll just go on record saying I don't love this deal as I'm a believer in urias bouncing back. I'm not going to hammer breslow for this move. I just hope he has a trade target to fill 2nd base and doesn't plan to fill it with an FA (Merrifield). Edit: I'll add the guy does seem like an intriguing bullpen arm so I'm not saying he's some JAG. Breslow is supposed to have pitching as a strength so maybe Campbell will be a diamond in the rough. If so then I'm prepared to eat my words.
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Post by dcb26 on Nov 17, 2023 20:43:51 GMT -5
Trading a young position player with upside for a reliever should be a cardinal sin of baseball
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 17, 2023 20:44:13 GMT -5
Here is where we need to cut Breslow some slack. This is, as was said so saliently above, the beginning, not the end of the process. Better to build depth and flexibility in the pitching staff than worrying about an adequate 2B. Especially at this point. Fair, this is just the first domino. I will wait until the full picture is in sight. I'll just go on record saying I don't love this deal as I'm a believer in urias bouncing back. I'm not going to hammer breslow for this move. I just hope he has a trade target to fill 2nd base and doesn't plan to fill it with an FA (Merrifield).
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