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Post by incandenza on Feb 21, 2024 18:09:08 GMT -5
Looks like fangraphs will come in with a strong org ranking:
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Post by scottysmalls on Feb 21, 2024 18:13:16 GMT -5
Looks like fangraphs will come in with a strong org ranking:
Funny he is the low man on Mayer by far and the high man on the system overall by far
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Post by cdj on Feb 21, 2024 20:50:43 GMT -5
Duel challenge rescinded Longenhagen, glad I could scare some sense into you
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 22, 2024 12:27:55 GMT -5
Not quite 'rankings' but Fangraphs released a list of 100 guys to know for 2024 (who aren't top 100 prospects). Below are the Red Sox mentioned: Strong-Side Platoon Look: Wilyer Abreu, RFGuys Who Have Been Traded: Richard Fitts, RHPGuys Who Have Been Traded: David Sandlin, RHPRule 5 Picks: Justin Slaten, RHPPitching Prospects Beginning 40-man Platform Years: Yordanny Monegro, RHPGuys Who Sit 97-plus: Luis Guerrero, RHPblogs.fangraphs.com/names-to-know-100-more-relevant-prospects/
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 22, 2024 12:45:41 GMT -5
Heh, heh... look at all the pitchers in that list!
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Feb 22, 2024 14:09:37 GMT -5
Heh, heh... look at all the pitchers in that list! Yeah, but they're all righties so the system needs to be downgraded!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 26, 2024 19:14:36 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 27, 2024 18:31:39 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 4, 2024 9:42:03 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline updated top 30: 1. Mayer 2. Anthony 3. Teel 4. Rafaela 5. Bleis 6. Abreu 7. Gonzalez 8. Yorke 9. Cespedes 10. Zanetello 11. Perales 12. Fitts 13. Romero 14. Castro 15. Arias 16. Sandlin 17. Monegro 18. Hickey 19. Meidroth 20. Anderson 21. Jordan 22. Hamilton 23. Brannon 24. Paulino 25. Garcia 26. Asencio 27. Dobbins 28. Bastardo 29. Slaten 30. Mata www.mlb.com/prospects/redsox/
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 4, 2024 10:22:14 GMT -5
#15 is a real high ranking for an international kid that only got 500k and hasn't played in the states. The writeup speaks very highly of him.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 4, 2024 10:49:26 GMT -5
A couple takeaways: - They note that Fitts has the highest ceiling among Boston pitching prospects but they certainly mean floor, right? - They had a Sandler typo on Sandlin's profile lol - Calling Arias the system's best defender at shortstop is extremely bold, but if it's true then obviously that's an extremely exciting prospect - There's somewhat of a throw-in in Brannon's writeup that he might be able to handle third if he has to move off of catcher. Has he ever played third before? That just feels like a pretty extreme jump from the transitions you normally see to first or left field
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Post by itinerantherb on Mar 4, 2024 11:02:10 GMT -5
A couple takeaways: - They note that Fitts has the highest ceiling among Boston pitching prospects but they certainly mean floor, right? - They had a Sandler typo on Sandlin's profile lol - Calling Arias the system's best defender at shortstop is extremely bold, but if it's true then obviously that's an extremely exciting prospect - There's somewhat of a throw-in in Brannon's writeup that he might be able to handle third if he has to move off of catcher. Has he ever played third before? That just feels like a pretty extreme jump from the transitions you normally see to first or left field Since last fall, Arias has been my main sleeper candidate to vault into the top 10 over the next season. Back when they signed him, the reports on his defense were glowing, and then his bat-to-ball skills looked very promising in his first year as a pro. I know it's the DSL and he's not going to maintain a .385 BABIP, but that 8.8% BB rate gives you reason to dream. EDIT: 8.8% K rate.
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Post by manfred on Mar 4, 2024 12:15:36 GMT -5
Can I ask what might be a basic question with ratings? MLB gives Sandlin a 55 for fastball, curveball, slider, and control. A 50 for splitter. But then they only go 45 overall. How is that possible? The only ding in the write-up is command. I get it is a problem, but that seems like a dramatic drop off.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 4, 2024 12:47:50 GMT -5
Can I ask what might be a basic question with ratings? MLB gives Sandlin a 55 for fastball, curveball, slider, and control. A 50 for splitter. But then they only go 45 overall. How is that possible? The only ding in the write-up is command. I get it is a problem, but that seems like a dramatic drop off. That was the last takeaway I had that I forgot to include, because I get annoyed with it every time - I've never liked the way they've done their rating system. The way I interpret it is that's the equivalent of FG's FV grades, but without the PV it's missing pretty vital context. And then the overall grade ends up being a general projection, which is.. inconsistent? But that interpretation gets the closest to making it make sense in my head.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 4, 2024 12:48:25 GMT -5
A couple takeaways: - They note that Fitts has the highest ceiling among Boston pitching prospects but they certainly mean floor, right? - They had a Sandler typo on Sandlin's profile lol - Calling Arias the system's best defender at shortstop is extremely bold, but if it's true then obviously that's an extremely exciting prospect - There's somewhat of a throw-in in Brannon's writeup that he might be able to handle third if he has to move off of catcher. Has he ever played third before? That just feels like a pretty extreme jump from the transitions you normally see to first or left field Joe Torre actually made that move from catcher to 3b. He wasnt good defensively at either position but getting out from behind the plate probably helped him to have a season where he batted .363.
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Post by chaimtime on Mar 4, 2024 13:00:43 GMT -5
Can I ask what might be a basic question with ratings? MLB gives Sandlin a 55 for fastball, curveball, slider, and control. A 50 for splitter. But then they only go 45 overall. How is that possible? The only ding in the write-up is command. I get it is a problem, but that seems like a dramatic drop off. I’m guessing it’s adjusted for risk/proximity to MLB. If he has a successful stint in AA this season but otherwise looks mostly like the same pitcher, he’d probably get a boost to his grade.
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Post by wamderingdude on Mar 4, 2024 13:17:10 GMT -5
Can I ask what might be a basic question with ratings? MLB gives Sandlin a 55 for fastball, curveball, slider, and control. A 50 for splitter. But then they only go 45 overall. How is that possible? The only ding in the write-up is command. I get it is a problem, but that seems like a dramatic drop off. I’m guessing it’s adjusted for risk/proximity to MLB. If he has a successful stint in AA this season but otherwise looks mostly like the same pitcher, he’d probably get a boost to his grade. I would guess that even though having four average ish pitches is great in theory, in practice it kind of equates to a fifth starter with a lack of upside. Obviously that can carry some value, but it puts a ton of pressure on the command profile. It’s basically 2022 winckowski. If he had one plus pitch that changes the profile a bit so hopefully the dev staff can cook something up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 4, 2024 14:16:00 GMT -5
A couple takeaways: - They note that Fitts has the highest ceiling among Boston pitching prospects but they certainly mean floor, right? - They had a Sandler typo on Sandlin's profile lol - Calling Arias the system's best defender at shortstop is extremely bold, but if it's true then obviously that's an extremely exciting prospect - There's somewhat of a throw-in in Brannon's writeup that he might be able to handle third if he has to move off of catcher. Has he ever played third before? That just feels like a pretty extreme jump from the transitions you normally see to first or left field Joe Torre actually made that move from catcher to 3b. He wasnt good defensively at either position but getting out from behind the plate probably helped him to have a season where he batted .363. I don't find that unusual at all. Our own Wong could just as easily been a second baseman. Bryce Harper was mostly a catcher as an amateur. BJ Surhoff and Brandon Inge both moved from catcher to third base mid major league career. I'm sure there are many others.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 4, 2024 14:17:47 GMT -5
To me, the only somewhat surprising ranking is Gonzales vs Perales.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 4, 2024 15:49:55 GMT -5
Joe Torre actually made that move from catcher to 3b. He wasnt good defensively at either position but getting out from behind the plate probably helped him to have a season where he batted .363. I don't find that unusual at all. Our own Wong could just as easily been a second baseman. Bryce Harper was mostly a catcher as an amateur. BJ Surhoff and Brandon Inge both moved from catcher to third base mid major league career. I'm sure there are many others. I believe Todd Zeille is another example.
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Post by nomar on Mar 4, 2024 16:26:20 GMT -5
Not a big deal, but Paulino seems to be getting overlooked by that list. If he puts up a good offensive year like he did in 2022 in AA, he would probably be a pretty hot commodity given his positional versatility.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 4, 2024 16:45:18 GMT -5
Johnny Bench played his last few years a third (and some at first as well). Brandon Inge was excellent at third after coming up as a catcher. I always thought Joe Mauer would've been a fit there. A lot of very good athletes move off of catcher both to preserve their athleticism and also because you don't necessarily want catchers to be twitchy.
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Post by keninten on Mar 4, 2024 17:42:37 GMT -5
Joe Torre actually made that move from catcher to 3b. He wasnt good defensively at either position but getting out from behind the plate probably helped him to have a season where he batted .363. I don't find that unusual at all. Our own Wong could just as easily been a second baseman. Bryce Harper was mostly a catcher as an amateur. BJ Surhoff and Brandon Inge both moved from catcher to third base mid major league career. I'm sure there are many others. Craig Biggio
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Post by kingstephanos on Mar 4, 2024 19:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by wOBA Fett on Mar 4, 2024 20:41:22 GMT -5
Wonder why Bleis keeps rising despite missing pretty much all of last season.
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