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Post by ixnayexxus on Dec 30, 2023 14:28:02 GMT -5
2 years ago, this would have infuriated me, but in 2023 you can color me intrigued.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 30, 2023 14:28:32 GMT -5
Could Grissom be headed elsewhere? For Luzardo? Gilbert? Grissom is a year removed from being considered almost untouchable in trade talks with Atlanta. All he needs to do is play a decent 2nd base. Average is probably the best case scenario. But the Sox now need an upper tier SP.
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Post by chaimtime on Dec 30, 2023 14:28:55 GMT -5
I like Grissom and I especially like his six years of control. Seems like a guy who should at least be a good utility player, don’t have to squint to hard to see him taking a leap and turning into something more.
Really don’t like eating that much money. And now there’s a new hole in the rotation. Another move that’s hard to grade before seeing what’s coming next.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 30, 2023 14:28:56 GMT -5
Could Grissom be headed elsewhere? For Luzardo? Gilbert? Then wouldn’t you just make it a three way trade.
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Post by taiwansox on Dec 30, 2023 14:29:09 GMT -5
Last time we traded for a top ATL prospect, we flipped him (Marte), wouldn’t be surprised if that happened again
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 14:29:19 GMT -5
-7 OAA in 168 inning at SS, -6 OAA in 368 innings at 2B. Decent bat, but doesn’t really have a position - he seems like a fungible 1-1.5 WAR type guy. I think this is underselling him. He's a few years away from his prime and his projections are already approaching 2 WAR. He'd be ranked ahead of Teel if he were still a prospect. Less than one year of service time.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 14:29:38 GMT -5
Not a lot of 2B options I like more than Grissom at his salary/upside combo. Not a great roster fit with Valdez though. Grissom has almost no platoon splits and they both stink on defense. Maybe there’s a Valdez trade out there, wouldn’t have to be immediate though they could play things out a little. Both have options obviously.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 14:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 30, 2023 14:32:17 GMT -5
This trade makes ZERO sense.
None. Nothing about it makes any sense. Just purposely making the team worse for no reason with the Verdugo and Sale trades. All of it would have made sense if they acquired an ace. But there aren't any of those left.
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 30, 2023 14:33:09 GMT -5
A GM who actually understands rebuilding and getting future for disappearing assets. Already a huge upgrade from other unnamed GMs.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 30, 2023 14:34:16 GMT -5
I'd probably pencil in Grissom to opening day 2nd baseman.
I do wonder what the plan is with Valdez, Yorke, meidroth, etc. They have those three guys who all should have varying amounts of value who are 2nd base prospects who have now all been usurped by Grissom most likely. Not saying they deal all 3 but I definitely think one if not two of them get dealt in a package for a pitcher.
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Post by vokuhila on Dec 30, 2023 14:34:17 GMT -5
FWIW
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 14:34:34 GMT -5
Fun fact: Grissom has a higher ZiPS WAR projection than Chris Sale
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Post by thelpc on Dec 30, 2023 14:34:53 GMT -5
I liked this trade a lot more before I found out that Grissom is apparently a butcher at 2B
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Post by briam on Dec 30, 2023 14:35:52 GMT -5
I don’t understand folks who dislike this deal? Sale is essentially a 4.00 ERA pitcher at this point when he’s healthy, which is almost never and they got a promising bat at a position of need for him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 30, 2023 14:35:56 GMT -5
I liked this trade a lot more before I found out that Grissom is apparently a butcher at 2B He's not good defensively. The bat will carry him in the majors, but he's also only 22, so one would think he can be slightly average in his prime.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Dec 30, 2023 14:37:13 GMT -5
This trade makes ZERO sense. None. Nothing about it makes any sense. Just purposely making the team worse for no reason with the Verdugo and Sale trades. All of it would have made sense if they acquired an ace. But there aren't any of those left. It makes tons of sense if the Red Sox don't necessarily think they'll be better than the other four teams in the division in 2024. It's present value traded for future value, which it seems is what both teams involved wanted.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 30, 2023 14:37:22 GMT -5
This is a good deal, especially if the Sox hit on Grissom, who is so young and has done nothing but hit. The hope in Atlanta was once this dude grew into some power he would be an absolute beast. This guy is heading into his age 23 season, with tons of control. I'm very intrigued by his upside.
I will miss Chris Sale, I was really rooting for him to have a healthy year, and I still will in Atlanta. Maybe the Sox have more faith in getting Giolito right, than Sale staying healthy for a full season. You can only handle so many question marks in a rotation, which makes this senseless if they don't go out and add another pitcher better than Giolito.
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Post by nomar on Dec 30, 2023 14:37:28 GMT -5
This trade makes ZERO sense. None. Nothing about it makes any sense. Just purposely making the team worse for no reason with the Verdugo and Sale trades. All of it would have made sense if they acquired an ace. But there aren't any of those left. What makes “zero sense” is acting like the Red Sox should be going all in on 2024. Their odds of a WS are never going to be high in 2024. They just got a good long term asset for an extremely injury prone rental. They can still add Montgomery if they want to too. I’m glad Breslow is thinking forward here personally.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 30, 2023 14:38:06 GMT -5
This trade makes ZERO sense. None. Nothing about it makes any sense. Just purposely making the team worse for no reason with the Verdugo and Sale trades. All of it would have made sense if they acquired an ace. But there aren't any of those left. It makes tons of sense if the Red Sox don't necessarily think they'll be better than the other four teams in the division in 2024. It's present value traded for future value, which it seems is what both teams involved wanted. Oh yeah, actually you are a right. Now that we are a small market team who doesn't compete to win. This trade does make sense when you look at it with that lens.
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Post by thelpc on Dec 30, 2023 14:38:27 GMT -5
I liked this trade a lot more before I found out that Grissom is apparently a butcher at 2B He's not good. The bat will carry him in the majors, but he's also only 22, so one would think he can be slightly average in his prime. I’m sure he’ll hit well and I’m probably being irrational, but if I have to watch more infield defense like we’ve seen the past several years it may actually kill me lol
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 30, 2023 14:38:49 GMT -5
It makes tons of sense if the Red Sox don't necessarily think they'll be better than the other four teams in the division in 2024. It's present value traded for future value, which it seems is what both teams involved wanted. Oh yeah, actually you are a right. Now that we are a small market team who doesn't compete to win. This trade does make sense when you look at it with that lens. Lol. Sale cant stay healthy
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 14:38:53 GMT -5
This trade makes ZERO sense. None. Nothing about it makes any sense. Just purposely making the team worse for no reason with the Verdugo and Sale trades. All of it would have made sense if they acquired an ace. But there aren't any of those left. It makes tons of sense if the Red Sox don't necessarily think they'll be better than the other four teams in the division in 2024. It's present value traded for future value, which it seems is what both teams involved wanted. Id put it as a coin flip as to which player is more valuable in 2024
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 30, 2023 14:39:02 GMT -5
One also wonders if Grissom would make a good corner outfielder if he grows into that power? Probably getting way ahead of myself. Still, we have something to talk about now. Finally.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 30, 2023 14:41:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah, actually you are a right. Now that we are a small market team who doesn't compete to win. This trade does make sense when you look at it with that lens. Lol. Sale cant stay healthy I mean you aren't wrong. But at least we aren't pretend this trade makes us better now (or at least most of us aren't). I guess I just haven't come to terms with the fact that we are a small market team and will continue acting like a small market team for the foreseeable future.
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