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Post by jawnvalentin on Dec 30, 2023 15:01:34 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of this move. Grissom looks to have legit potential as a RH contact hitter and he'll only be 23 next season. He'd be starting for a lot of teams but was obviously blocked by Albies at 2B. Hopefully, the glove can be playable but I certainly see that concern.
I assume this means Yorke is part of a trade for a SP, but you could flip Grissom as well.
Counting on Chris Sale at this point would be a major mistake, so I like flipping him for a talented prospect with multiple years of control.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 30, 2023 15:01:38 GMT -5
I'm expecting Sale to have his healtiest season in a Cy Young year now. Joking aside. I don't know the kid they got back, but it sounds like a guy the Red Sox already have in David Hamilton, but I guess more upside in the age. Didn't realize Hamilton was 26. I also feel like they can get the same exact player in Chris Sale with James Paxton. So, might as well get a kid who you can either plug in and hope there's continued development to plug into a position of need OR they just acquired another guy they can use to flip in another deal (or Yorke) for a guy that shouldn't be hard to replace. Chris Sale does not pitch and is getting older. So, big move with a result that really doesn't move the needle anywhere. It does seem like it's opening the door for more possibilities. So, something is hopefully in the works. Grissom and Hamilton shouldn’t even be in the same sentence together, let alone being compared to one another. He’s already a legitimate ML bat at 22 years of age. He has a lot of potential. Doesn’t mean he will get there, but this is the kind of trade that in a couple of years could look very good. Actually was thinking of Valdez, not Hamilton, but same thing really. This is going off the comments about him being a bad defender and probably a 1-1.5 WAR guy, but Valdez with 139 ABs was exactly 0.0 and also 25.
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Post by fisk75 on Dec 30, 2023 15:02:13 GMT -5
Lol. Sale cant stay healthy I mean you aren't wrong. But at least we aren't pretend this trade makes us better now (or at least most of us aren't). I guess I just haven't come to terms with the fact that we are a small market team and will continue acting like a small market team for the foreseeable future. Ok I will take the bait, which small market team has sent $17 million in a trade to acquire a young controllable piece? I will go ahead and wait for your answer. This trade is about 2024 and beyond.
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Post by chaimtime on Dec 30, 2023 15:03:07 GMT -5
We certainly aren't operating like a big market team. This is literally the 2nd salary dump trade we have made this offseason. This isnt a salary dump. And the Verdugo one was not a salary dump either. Come on man! I will eat my hat if an Abreu/O’Neill platoon doesn’t out-produce what Verdugo has given them the bast few years. And if Grissom settles in as like, a -5 defender at second base then that’s a five run improvement defensively. If his bat hits the way it looks, it’s a big improvement over what they ran out last year. Truck day is still over a month away, too. There are plenty of good pitchers to be added to the roster, let’s see how it shakes out.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 15:03:40 GMT -5
Not trading Sale and Verdugo were two of the specific things that Chaim was called out for in his relatively mild trashing on the way out.
Were they bringing up Edward Cabrera then too? I forget
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 30, 2023 15:05:09 GMT -5
Not sure this really means Grissom will be moved again, but highly probably another trade happens and soon
Probably involving one of Yorke/Mayer/Cespedes
Add: also just created what 8-10 million of luxury tax room?
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 30, 2023 15:06:35 GMT -5
I am glad you guys like the trade. I think its a horrible trade. I hope I'm proved wrong.
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Post by ibkee on Dec 30, 2023 15:06:39 GMT -5
We joke we have no pitching, but now we literally have no pitching.
Just can't get behind trading Sale for another future DH. Controllable pitching is a very valuable resource - just look how much we've shelled out for a guy who just put up an ERA over 5 to come get shelled at Fenway - and Grissom's defense is atrocious.
Absolutely need Montgomery now.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 15:06:41 GMT -5
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Post by vokuhila on Dec 30, 2023 15:07:27 GMT -5
Not trading Sale and Verdugo were two of the specific things that Chaim was called out for in his relatively mild trashing on the way out. Were they bringing up Edward Cabrera then too? I forget I believe Cabrera for Turner was the rumor
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 30, 2023 15:08:22 GMT -5
I can see Grissom hitting .220 with 15 home runs and below average defense. He'll fit right in.
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Post by briam on Dec 30, 2023 15:08:45 GMT -5
Not trading Sale and Verdugo were two of the specific things that Chaim was called out for in his relatively mild trashing on the way out. Were they bringing up Edward Cabrera then too? I forget Nick Yorke for Edward Cabrera is pretty close on the trade value machine.
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Post by levi on Dec 30, 2023 15:08:56 GMT -5
I’d assume Yorke is traded in the next week with a controllable outfielder to upgrade the rotation. Or…Mayer? *ducks*
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Post by cdj on Dec 30, 2023 15:09:28 GMT -5
I can see Grissom hitting .220 with 15 home runs and below average defense. He'll fit right in. There’s never been a moment in his entire career where he’s hit lower than .280 so that’s a silly goose take If anything he turns into an empty average guy at the plate (at worst)
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 15:09:40 GMT -5
I can see Grissom hitting .220 with 15 home runs and below average defense. He'll fit right in. Career and projected .280 hitter
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Post by Guidas on Dec 30, 2023 15:10:32 GMT -5
I straight-up hate this deal. I don't see how it makes the team better. I'd rather ride the last year of Sale and see if you can get 20 starts.
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Post by manfred on Dec 30, 2023 15:10:50 GMT -5
We joke we have no pitching, but now we literally have no pitching. Just can't get behind trading Sale for another future DH. Controllable pitching is a very valuable resource - just look how much we've shelled out for a guy who just put up an ERA over 5 to come get shelled at Fenway - and Grissom's defense is atrocious. Absolutely need Montgomery now. I’m not sure how signing Giolito and trading Sale leaves them with *less* pitching. People act like they were penciling Sale in for 25+ starts. That seems crazy. Add: I also don’t get hating this trade if you think the Sox are not legit next year. Why hold Sale for one more mediocre year? You tell me you can trade an oft-injured, expiring contracted pitcher for a top-100 prospect, I am stunned by anyone passing.
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Post by radiohix on Dec 30, 2023 15:12:12 GMT -5
I love Chris Sale and will always do: The man was a fierce competitor and never made excuses when he stunk and I respect the hell outta of that but the injuries took their toll as we’ve seen it. He’s pitching at 91-93 mph now and when he tried to generate extra velocity he got himself a stress fracture in the shoulder so he dialed down when he came back…I think the high octane fastball is never coming back and when you add the regressing slider..
I still think that he can remain a good pitcher but that elite psycho is not coming back and it sucks. Thanks for the memories Chris.
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Post by 07redsox on Dec 30, 2023 15:12:44 GMT -5
Grissom and Hamilton shouldn’t even be in the same sentence together, let alone being compared to one another. He’s already a legitimate ML bat at 22 years of age. He has a lot of potential. Doesn’t mean he will get there, but this is the kind of trade that in a couple of years could look very good. Actually was thinking of Valdez, not Hamilton, but same thing really. This is going off the comments about him being a bad defender and probably a 1-1.5 WAR guy, but Valdez with 139 ABs was exactly 0.0 and also 25. Pretty sure I would take Grissom’s bat over Valdez any day of the week. Check out his 2022 season. He slumped near the end during his time in the majors, but was putting up insane numbers for a decent chunk of time before that. That was after skipping AAA entirely at the 21 and getting 150 or so ABs in the majors that season. Didn’t have a great season in the majors in limited time last season, but was great in AAA. Very high on him myself. Like. I said before, if things break right, I could see this being a deal we all look back on and think “what was ATL thinking”. Now after saying that I’m sure he will be flipped to another team for a pitcher.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 30, 2023 15:13:08 GMT -5
I can see Grissom hitting .220 with 15 home runs and below average defense. He'll fit right in. Career and projected .280 hitter I'll take the under next season.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 30, 2023 15:14:42 GMT -5
FULL THROTTLE!!
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Post by manfred on Dec 30, 2023 15:17:21 GMT -5
Career and projected .280 hitter I'll take the under next season. That’s safe, since the over would be awesome. But either way, he is a year older than Yorke. If he hits .265 with good plate discipline, that is pretty promising going forward. He could reasonably be between AA and AAA right now, where he’d be hitting about .330.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 30, 2023 15:17:41 GMT -5
I'll take the under next season. because why He's carried a 45 hit tool his entire minor league career.
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Post by cdj on Dec 30, 2023 15:17:41 GMT -5
Career and projected .280 hitter I'll take the under next season. .279 is under but you were saying .220 What is your logic and reasoning behind that? Is it “durrrr Red Sox suck”?
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Post by cdj on Dec 30, 2023 15:18:48 GMT -5
He's carried a 45 hit tool his entire minor league career. He struck out 14% of the time and hit .330 in AAA as a 22 YO, 45 hit tool my pasty white ass
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