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Post by cdj on Apr 8, 2024 8:03:18 GMT -5
For the record I tried 1 name- the furthest extent I will look for this- and searched Jeff Blauser who came 15 games away from being under 100 games in 3 straight seasons and then came back to have his best season ever at the plate right after that 3 year stretch. I barely tried to find an example and quite literally typed in the first name that came to my head- I’m sure one of those years is strike-related but I’ve been told the injury doesn’t matter it’s the lack of at bats that matters
Blauser was also around the same age as Story too.
I really don’t think this injury impacts Story’s glove or his running and that’s how he gets to most of his value, it’s not his throwing arm and it’s not his legs. You can’t depend on him for a full season but I still think he can be a starting caliber SS when his left shoulder is in its socket.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 8, 2024 8:18:03 GMT -5
Not going to go through all these replies one by one. All I'll say is that the problem isn't the shoulder. It doesn't matter what the injury was - it could have been a broken finger for all I care. The problem is that he is 31. Including this year Story has now slashed .206/.257/.317 over his last 202 plates appearances, a 51 wRC+. In 2022 he didn't hit his first home run until May 11th - and slashed .204/.282/.276 over the his first 110 plate appearances prior to that after missing basically all of spring training. This is what happens to older players when they sit out of baseball for extended periods of time. Even if Story comes back from this shoulder injury relatively quickly - which is an enormous if - you are still talking ~3 weeks of rehab at the minor league level + another month of floundering at the plate while he gets his timing down, all while having to stay healthy when he's in the field, which is obviously not a given at this point.
Again, would love to be wrong, I love Story's skillset and I'm rooting for him to succeed, but we are seeing before our eyes a career ending in slow motion.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 8, 2024 8:20:20 GMT -5
For the record I tried 1 name- the furthest extent I will look for this- and searched Jeff Blauser who came 15 games away from being under 100 games in 3 straight seasons and then came back to have his best season ever at the plate right after that 3 year stretch. I barely tried to find an example and quite literally typed in the first name that came to my head- I’m sure one of those years is strike-related but I’ve been told the injury doesn’t matter it’s the lack of at bats that matters Blauser was also around the same age as Story too. I really don’t think this injury impacts Story’s glove or his running and that’s how he gets to most of his value, it’s not his throwing arm and it’s not his legs. You can’t depend on him for a full season but I still think he can be a starting caliber SS when his left shoulder is in its socket. The issue with this example is that Jeff Blauser played in the National League NOT the American League. It was also in the 1990’s, so he was probably on steroids. Can you find seven examples of a middle infielder who had between -17 and 69 at bats for three straight years, and then proceeded to win a Gold Glove, World Series Trophy, and Roberto Clemente award in the same year? (I really, really hope we get good news on Trevor tonight 🤞. He seemed pretty chipper in the dugout with the guys yesterday, but hard to take anything at face value there.)
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 8, 2024 8:26:45 GMT -5
For the record I tried 1 name- the furthest extent I will look for this- and searched Jeff Blauser who came 15 games away from being under 100 games in 3 straight seasons and then came back to have his best season ever at the plate right after that 3 year stretch. I barely tried to find an example and quite literally typed in the first name that came to my head- I’m sure one of those years is strike-related but I’ve been told the injury doesn’t matter it’s the lack of at bats that matters Blauser was also around the same age as Story too. I really don’t think this injury impacts Story’s glove or his running and that’s how he gets to most of his value, it’s not his throwing arm and it’s not his legs. You can’t depend on him for a full season but I still think he can be a starting caliber SS when his left shoulder is in its socket. The issue with this example is that Jeff Blauser played in the National League NOT the American League. It was also in the 1990’s, so he was probably on steroids. Can you find seven examples of a middle infielder who had between -17 and 69 at bats for three straight years, and then proceeded to win a Gold Glove, World Series Trophy, and Roberto Clemente award in the same year? (I really, really hope we get good news on Trevor tonight 🤞. He seemed pretty chipper in the dugout with the guys yesterday, but hard to take anything at face value there.) Think you need to take a walk outside and breath in some fresh air, there is absolutely no reason to get this agitated over the idea that a 31-year-old MIF might be at the end of his career.
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Post by lronhoyabembe on Apr 8, 2024 8:39:53 GMT -5
Story's career is not over for the simple reason that he still has 4 years and $100MM left on his contract.
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Post by bishop on Apr 8, 2024 8:51:22 GMT -5
Like I said if Mayer is ready for 2025 and Grissom is a good hitter. Story becomes an actual albatross contract at that point If the team let alone the fanbase are comfortable entering 2025 with Mayer and Grissom as the middle infield starters it would be a best case scenario regardless of Story's health. Having 3 good middle infielders would be a luxury, we'd only be spending $25m total on them, so even if it's weird that Story would be making $23 of it who cares? He's been immensely valuable this year for his defense alone, I don't think this injury will hurt that, and it wouldn't be hard to get all those guys PA's with one bumping to 3B and Devers DH vs Lefties if Masa is here too. But given all 3 going through injuries lately - it's extremely cherry picking but technically Mayer and Grissom have played one game in a Red Sox uniform since August 2 - I'm gonna file that under problems to worry about if they happen.
Fingers crossed for good news on Story as well, as poor as he has been at the plate he's a crippling loss this team can't afford yet unless there's some David Hamilton magic.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 8, 2024 9:14:03 GMT -5
Story's career is not over for the simple reason that he still has 4 years and $100MM left on his contract. Think the reference is to his career as a starting SS in the majors. Obviously if he were to be DFAd someone would definitely pick him up as a backup.
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Post by sxfan on Apr 9, 2024 9:59:26 GMT -5
Sounds really bad. Season ending type stuff.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 9, 2024 10:09:00 GMT -5
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 9, 2024 10:47:29 GMT -5
Sounds really bad. Season ending type stuff. Unless if a dislocation / subluxation somehow isn't considered damage to the his "bone structure", the only new information here is that he's going to LA for a second opinion. Surgery is still just "possible".
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Apr 9, 2024 10:48:17 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Apr 9, 2024 10:58:01 GMT -5
Thank you for responding. Damn. Twitter Doctor Jesse Morse had alluded to Bony Bankart Lesion - which he stated was worst case sceario - which as I understand is similar but not the same as a Hills Sachs. Lesion. I guess we wait. This just sucks
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Post by bishop on Apr 9, 2024 11:20:39 GMT -5
Neal ElAttrache is also "the guy" who does most Tommy John surgeries and seems to specialize in shoulder/elbow stuff for athletes. Kinda the new James Andrews. It's not great if Story is going to see him, but I wouldn't read into specific injuries. (Especially with Greinke there - he's also the Dodgers team doctor iirc)
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 9, 2024 11:21:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, this was very informative. For those not wanting to read the entire article: - ~50% of first-time shoulder dislocations result in a Hill-Sachs Lesion - 93% (or up to 100%) of patients with recurrent instability have a lesion. - <20% of cases rehabilitation alone is recommended (after 2-6 weeks of immobilization) There is a long list of possible issues and procedures if surgery is necessary, so even if we assume a Hill-Sachs Lesion is the issue (which seems likely) it's too early to speculate on process and time table (without more info). Fingers-crossed that Story is in the lucky less than 20%.
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Post by pappyman99 on Apr 9, 2024 11:40:51 GMT -5
Looking at the possibility of him playing 145 total games the 1st 3 years of his contract
Not ideal to say the least
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 9, 2024 12:06:12 GMT -5
Breslow says Story will have surgery to repair a fractured glenoid and will be out for six months (the entire season).
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Post by radiohix on Apr 9, 2024 12:10:41 GMT -5
Call SF and see what’s the price tag for Nick Ahmed.
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Post by cdj on Apr 9, 2024 12:13:35 GMT -5
Pain!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 9, 2024 12:15:14 GMT -5
Once again... Good grief.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 9, 2024 12:16:35 GMT -5
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Post by 0ap0 on Apr 9, 2024 12:17:00 GMT -5
Breslow says Story will have surgery to repair a fractured glenoid and will be out for six months (the entire season). "Glenoid" sounds like a Canadian insult. "Fractured Glenoid" even moreso.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 9, 2024 12:46:33 GMT -5
Mlbtr search for Glenoid brings up Pete Crow Armstrong who had a great next season and 35 year old Michael Cuddyer who came back and had one bad year before retirement
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Post by manfred on Apr 9, 2024 12:47:27 GMT -5
I feel really sorry for Story. The guy clearly lives to play, and he is having many years taken by injuries. That is cruel.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Apr 9, 2024 12:57:57 GMT -5
Does he regain the SS job in spring of 2025? The puzzle pieces might not fit together as clearly next year with Mayer knocking on the door. Does he get moved back to 2B, depending on Grissom's trajectory? Would the team put him in left field? Would they cut bait in a salary dump?
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Post by keninten on Apr 9, 2024 13:24:12 GMT -5
Story has never played the OF but I`m wondering if that`s where he should be moved.
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