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Story dislocated left shoulder and placed on IL
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Post by kingstephanos on Apr 6, 2024 21:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by sxfan on Apr 6, 2024 23:51:21 GMT -5
It's looking like Story will be missing months if not the whole season judging by these comments from Story.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 6, 2024 23:59:29 GMT -5
Hope he just gets the surgery and tries again next season. Three more years on his contract. Don't think he'd be any good trying to play through a broken wing.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Apr 7, 2024 0:28:14 GMT -5
So let's go shopping:
Who is available in a trade to plug in at SS, who could provide average to above defense and isn't completely lost at the plate?
It's a tough time to make a trade with the year so young. Any salary dumps, blocked players. Who's the dream candidate within reason (ie. not Mookie Betts).
play GM for Second
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Post by soxfaninnj on Apr 7, 2024 0:33:53 GMT -5
Mondesi and Andrus still free agents. Tim Anderson is in Miami so is Brujan
Add: Mateo from Baltimore would be a really good addition but no chance Baltimore trades him to us
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Post by cdj on Apr 7, 2024 0:36:47 GMT -5
So let's go shopping: Who is available in a trade to plug in at SS, who could provide average to above defense and isn't completely lost at the plate? It's a tough time to make a trade with the year so young. Any salary dumps, blocked players. Who's the dream candidate within reason (ie. not Mookie Betts). play GM for Second Nick Allen from Oakland. Maybe Yonny Hernandez on a Reyes type deal Allen can’t hit a lick, will be great with the glove Rafaela might just be the play |
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Apr 7, 2024 0:46:00 GMT -5
I was looking at Paul Dejong who could probably be had from Chicago.
above average glove, has some pop in the bat, bats Right Handed.
Doesn't seem to have much approach in his AB's
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 7, 2024 7:27:38 GMT -5
At this point I think you have to assume that Story's career is probably over. Obviously try and rehab him but this will be the third year in a row where he has played in fewer than 100 games. That's not something players generally come back from.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 7, 2024 7:36:24 GMT -5
At this point I think you have to assume that Story's career is probably over. Obviously try and rehab him but this will be the third year in a row where he has played in fewer than 100 games. That's not something players generally come back from. This makes no sense to me. These are three different injuries. The first was just from getting hit by a pitch, the second was the sort of long-term structural thing you might worry about but he got surgery on and seems totally fine now, and the third had nothing to do with the first two. |
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 7, 2024 7:48:50 GMT -5
At this point I think you have to assume that Story's career is probably over. Obviously try and rehab him but this will be the third year in a row where he has played in fewer than 100 games. That's not something players generally come back from. This makes no sense to me. These are three different injuries. The first was just from getting hit by a pitch, the second was the sort of long-term structural thing you might worry about but he got surgery on and seems totally fine now, and the third had nothing to do with the first two. Because everything you are describing is how careers end. You can't sit out of baseball for a year without your skills deteriorating. Just look at how Story hit last year when he came back, that is how players look when they don't face major league pitching for months or years. It would be one thing if Story was 26. But he's 31 which is when skills start to deteriorate even if you are healthy. It is incredibly difficult to sit out of baseball for extended periods of time and then come back and be effective. If you know of any players that have been able to do it in their thirties I would be interested in hearing about them. |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 7, 2024 7:57:36 GMT -5
This makes no sense to me. These are three different injuries. The first was just from getting hit by a pitch, the second was the sort of long-term structural thing you might worry about but he got surgery on and seems totally fine now, and the third had nothing to do with the first two. Because everything you are describing is how careers end. You can't sit out of baseball for a year without your skills deteriorating. Just look at how Story hit last year when he came back, that is how players look when they don't face major league pitching for months or years. It would be one thing if Story was 26. But he's 31 which is when skills start to deteriorate even if you are healthy. It is incredibly difficult to sit out of baseball for extended periods of time and then come back and be effective. If you know of any players that have been able to do it in their thirties I would be interested in hearing about them. Okay, I guess I took "his career is probably over" too literally, as if you were describing a Pedroia-like situation. As for the question of whether he'll be less effective when he comes back... Well, so far this season (and last) he's looked to be in peak defensive form despite all the time missed. As for the bat... to be honest, I had concerns about offensive decline when they signed him, let alone after he struggled so badly last season. Optimistically, he did have a great spring training and was starting to look pretty decent at the plate in the last few games. But who knows. I agree it can't be easy on him.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 7, 2024 8:05:21 GMT -5
Because everything you are describing is how careers end. You can't sit out of baseball for a year without your skills deteriorating. Just look at how Story hit last year when he came back, that is how players look when they don't face major league pitching for months or years. It would be one thing if Story was 26. But he's 31 which is when skills start to deteriorate even if you are healthy. It is incredibly difficult to sit out of baseball for extended periods of time and then come back and be effective. If you know of any players that have been able to do it in their thirties I would be interested in hearing about them. Okay, I guess I took "his career is probably over" too literally, as if you were describing a Pedroia-like situation. As for the question of whether he'll be less effective when he comes back... Well, so far this season (and last) he's looked to be in peak defensive form despite all the time missed. As for the bat... to be honest, I had concerns about offensive decline when they signed him, let alone after he struggled so badly last season. Optimistically, he did have a great spring training and was starting to look pretty decent at the plate in the last few games. But who knows. I agree it can't be easy on him.
I think it is a Pedroia like situation. This was a make or break year for Story and unless he's back in like a month, which seems extremely unlikely, then I think you have to believe this is it. 3 years in a row appearing in fewer than 100 games, for a middle infielder in his thirties, is to me a death sentence. I can't think of any player who has been able to come back from that in recent history. |
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Post by terriblehondo on Apr 7, 2024 8:08:46 GMT -5
This makes no sense to me. These are three different injuries. The first was just from getting hit by a pitch, the second was the sort of long-term structural thing you might worry about but he got surgery on and seems totally fine now, and the third had nothing to do with the first two. Because everything you are describing is how careers end. You can't sit out of baseball for a year without your skills deteriorating. Just look at how Story hit last year when he came back, that is how players look when they don't face major league pitching for months or years. It would be one thing if Story was 26. But he's 31 which is when skills start to deteriorate even if you are healthy. It is incredibly difficult to sit out of baseball for extended periods of time and then come back and be effective. If you know of any players that have been able to do it in their thirties I would be interested in hearing about them. Yes age is an issue but I think over is a pretty big step to take. If you want to say in decline, yes. I don't see anyway that this injury would drop him out of the top defenders at SS. I mean from what I saw last year and early this year his defense was elite. This injury should not impact that to much. The big question is if he goes the non surgery route or surgery. The shoulder will probably continue to be an issue on dives and possibly swinging the bat with non-surgery and just rehab. With surgery probably done for the year. Either route he takes will probably continue the hitting decline. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 7, 2024 8:14:15 GMT -5
The thing about Story is we're half way into his contract and we can see what we like to see. We see the defense was still strong. We see the offense isnt the same as it was in Colorado but we can see signs of, well if he's healthy and not rusty he can still be a force at the plate, but yet come 2025, assuming he misses most of not all of this season, what do we really expect going forward?
If he's healthy and looking like he did this spring training come March 2025, how confident would one be that Story is going to make it thru the season, that he wont get hurt again, even by some freak injury?
He's taking on a bit of the Chris Sale aura when you can see the flashes of what he was but you're waiting for the next injury shoe to drop and then somehow it does.
Ideally Story reclaims SS temporarily next season and perhaps moves aside to 3b to make room for Mayer come mid 2025 or 2026, and displaces Devers to DH where he belongs and hopefully Story keeps 3b warm the rest of his contract until Cespedes tears up the minor leagues and is ready to be the big booming RH bat the Sox need. Hopefully by the time Story displaces Devers at 3b Yoshida becomes more tradeable.
But given Story's recent health history can you count on it?
I just wish the Sox picked up a better backup SS option. As others pointed out, Amaya was there for the taking. And the Sox, as they have practically all winter long, passed up affordable depth that could have helped them.
Which is something I dont get. I think Breslow has made some good trades. I understand the lack of impact moves as I feel Breslow was restricted by Henry's budget limits there. I just dont understand the lack of affordable little moves around the edges.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 7, 2024 8:14:39 GMT -5
Okay, I guess I took "his career is probably over" too literally, as if you were describing a Pedroia-like situation. As for the question of whether he'll be less effective when he comes back... Well, so far this season (and last) he's looked to be in peak defensive form despite all the time missed. As for the bat... to be honest, I had concerns about offensive decline when they signed him, let alone after he struggled so badly last season. Optimistically, he did have a great spring training and was starting to look pretty decent at the plate in the last few games. But who knows. I agree it can't be easy on him.
I think it is a Pedroia like situation. This was a make or break year for Story and unless he's back in like a month, which seems extremely unlikely, then I think you have to believe this is it. 3 years in a row appearing in fewer than 100 games, for a middle infielder in his thirties, is to me a death sentence. I can't think of any player who has been able to come back from that in recent history. Okay, then I'm back to not understanding your point and you didn't address my previous response. Pedroia's problem was that his knee was shot; Story's problem is that he's had three totally unrelated injuries. (Whatever you think of the arm injuries, there's no way his getting hit by a pitch in 2022 should factor into your future career projections.)
Even just looking at missed time, Story came back and played almost two months last season, and started a new season healthy - two things Pedroia never managed to do after 2017.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 7, 2024 8:23:46 GMT -5
Saying Story's career is over seems pretty asinine to me. Its not like he keeps having some nagging injury. Don't understand even saying that one bit.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 7, 2024 8:34:15 GMT -5
If anyone knows of a player that
- is a middle infielder
- in their thirties
- that has played in <100 games 3 years in a row
And came back from that, I would love to hear about it. Because I don't think any player has done that any time recently.
Again, Story is 31. 31 is when healthy middle infielders fall off. It was a make or break year for him. He knew it and the Sox knew it. It's why he looks so devastated in these interviews, not just because he's out this year but because it is probably the end of his career.
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Post by patford on Apr 7, 2024 8:45:05 GMT -5
Saying Story's career is over seems pretty asinine to me. Its not like he keeps having some nagging injury. Don't understand even saying that one bit. Just agree with him or you'll be spending the next six months on this. |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 7, 2024 8:45:55 GMT -5
If anyone knows of a player that - is a middle infielder - in their thirties - that has played in <100 games 3 years in a row And came back from that, I would love to hear about it. Because I don't think any player has done that any time recently. Again, Story is 31. 31 is when healthy middle infielders fall off. It was a make or break year for him. He knew it and the Sox knew it. It's why he looks so devastated in these interviews, not just because he's out this year but because it is probably the end of his career. How many middle infielders can you name who were in their thirties and played in <100 games in a row due to three different injuries, period? There were only 14 middle infielders in their 30s who played 100+ games last season. Just probabalistically it's gonna be hard to find anyone who meets your criteria, so there aren't really any conclusions we can draw about whether or not guys can "come back from that." |
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Post by manfred on Apr 7, 2024 9:35:02 GMT -5
There were reasons I didn’t like signing Story, but none were he is jinxed. He is not “injury prone,” except in so far as guys who hustle probably risk injury more.
We don’t know the extent of this injury, so obituaries are premature. Even a season-ending left shoulder injury shouldn’t make him less of a great defender next year. I am not sure how much is left in his bat *now,* (I mean pre-injury), much less after this. But as we’ve seen (and credit to many of you predicted this), his glove alone was making a massive difference. No reason it can’t again (well, unless we find out his shoulder literally exploded).
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Post by asm18 on Apr 7, 2024 9:43:06 GMT -5
If anyone knows of a player that - is a middle infielder - in their thirties - that has played in <100 games 3 years in a row And came back from that, I would love to hear about it. Because I don't think any player has done that any time recently. Again, Story is 31. 31 is when healthy middle infielders fall off. It was a make or break year for him. He knew it and the Sox knew it. It's why he looks so devastated in these interviews, not just because he's out this year but because it is probably the end of his career. You had a post yesterday where you basically implied if he dislocated his shoulder but he was 27 he would have been fine, which I responded to but then deleted because I felt I was overly aggressive in my response. I now regret deleting that post. So I will repeat myself - are you f***in kidding me? Career over? He literally might come back at the end of the year, dude. He’s several months younger than Mike Trout, who’s had his own share of injures, but no one in their right mind is saying his career is over. For the love of God |
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Post by awalkinthepark on Apr 7, 2024 9:56:17 GMT -5
If anyone knows of a player that - is a middle infielder - in their thirties - that has played in <100 games 3 years in a row And came back from that, I would love to hear about it. Because I don't think any player has done that any time recently. Again, Story is 31. 31 is when healthy middle infielders fall off. It was a make or break year for him. He knew it and the Sox knew it. It's why he looks so devastated in these interviews, not just because he's out this year but because it is probably the end of his career. You had a post yesterday where you basically implied if he dislocated his shoulder but he was 27 he would have been fine, which I responded to but then deleted because I felt I was overly aggressive in my response. I now regret deleting that post. So I will repeat myself - are you f***in kidding me? Career over? He literally might come back at the end of the year, dude. He’s several months younger than Mike Trout, who’s had his own share of injures, but no one in their right mind is saying his career is over. For the love of God I guess I'll put it another way: if Story came back and was productive, it would be unprecedented. I'd love to be wrong and if anyone can show me evidence otherwise, I'm all ears. And for the other comment say there aren't many guys to play in fewer than 100 games period in their thirties...that doesn't really help your argument? |
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Apr 7, 2024 10:04:26 GMT -5
There are still too many variables that don't know about this injury. I think everyone is thinking worse case scenario, but we still don't know.
He could be back by the end of the month if there's no serious structural damage. They probably need to do another scan when the swelling goes down some.
He could have a Labrum year, need surgery and be done for the year.
There's also PRP, arthroscopic scoping, cleaning out bone chips, Long rest and rehab. There are too many things to know " Which this is.
I don't think it's a career ender though
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Apr 7, 2024 10:07:52 GMT -5
Jean Segura is still a Free Agent and is only 34, not sure if he can handle SS.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 7, 2024 10:07:56 GMT -5
You had a post yesterday where you basically implied if he dislocated his shoulder but he was 27 he would have been fine, which I responded to but then deleted because I felt I was overly aggressive in my response. I now regret deleting that post. So I will repeat myself - are you f***in kidding me? Career over? He literally might come back at the end of the year, dude. He’s several months younger than Mike Trout, who’s had his own share of injures, but no one in their right mind is saying his career is over. For the love of God I guess I'll put it another way: if Story came back and was productive, it would be unprecedented. I'd love to be wrong and if anyone can show me evidence otherwise, I'm all ears. And for the other comment say there aren't many guys to play in fewer than 100 games period in their thirties...that doesn't really help your argument?You missed the point on this. You can re-read it and try again if you like, but so far you've made three comments in response to me without addressing my core point.
To asm18's point - Trout is a pretty good comp. He's played in 36, 119, and 82 games in the last three years. How confident would anyone be that he'll play 150 games this season? Not very. Would it be reasonable to assume that his career is essentially over? No, it would make no sense at all.
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