danr
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Post by danr on May 24, 2013 14:58:26 GMT -5
Iglesias is in the starting lineup at 3B, with Middlebrooks going to the DL.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 24, 2013 18:52:33 GMT -5
Well, I guess the Indians are a smoke & mirror team then. I would bet on it. It's baseball, we see this every year. They play 162 for a reason. I think that you undersell Masterson by a wide margin. I'd put him right with Lester and just behind Buch. Besides that he is a big horse...throws a legit 97 and not from the pen. Dominant stuff. If we had him on our staff...playoffs no doubt and a scary team. So basically you overrate him because you've grown used to mediocre Red Sox rotations. Lester and Buchholz do not define what an ace is. They're 2/3 starters who, again, happen to be the best the Red Sox have. Fenway I think that the year Buch almost won the ERA title he could legitimately be considered an Ace. This year, early as it is, he has pitched like an Ace with a 1.73 ERA. So yes, he could be that guy. Lester cannot harness his control issues consistently enough to be a No. 1 on a top team IMO. But, I would gladly take Masterson and his innate stuff over Dempster, Lackey or Doubront who now lacks stuff and control. I think the Sox would too. Hey, let's package 2 of those latter 3 Sox starters I mentioned plus a chip here and there and I think the Sox would jump at the opportunity. Talk to me about Masterson in late September. My guess is that humble pie will be in order.
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Post by ray88h66 on May 24, 2013 19:22:24 GMT -5
Well, I guess the Indians are a smoke & mirror team then. I would bet on it. It's baseball, we see this every year. They play 162 for a reason. I think that you undersell Masterson by a wide margin. I'd put him right with Lester and just behind Buch. Besides that he is a big horse...throws a legit 97 and not from the pen. Dominant stuff. If we had him on our staff...playoffs no doubt and a scary team. So basically you overrate him because you've grown used to mediocre Red Sox rotations. Lester and Buchholz do not define what an ace is. They're 2/3 starters who, again, happen to be the best the Red Sox have. Didn't you say the same about baltimore last year?
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Post by marrcus on May 24, 2013 20:51:33 GMT -5
Lackey's been unreal in this slop. Thankfully Carp crushed one early against Masterson.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 24, 2013 20:53:41 GMT -5
Lackey has been impressive for the last two outings.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 24, 2013 21:20:52 GMT -5
If Lackey can stay healthy, it looks like he's going to have a good year. His line these last two starts. Three hits and no earned runs in 13 innings. A strikeout per inning with not many walks.
6IP 1H 1R 0ER 0 BB 5 K 7IP 2H 1R 0ER 3 BB 8 K
YTD 39 2/3 IP 34H 18R 12ER 11BB 40K 3-4 2.72ERA
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Post by iakovos11 on May 24, 2013 21:44:04 GMT -5
Well, Aceves should be able to get through 1 inning without blowing a 7-run lead.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 24, 2013 21:47:00 GMT -5
I would gladly take Masterson and his innate stuff over Dempster, Lackey or Doubront . . . Talk to me about Masterson in late September. My guess is that humble pie will be in order. Are you sure?
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Post by jrffam05 on May 24, 2013 22:00:40 GMT -5
I would gladly take Masterson and his innate stuff over Dempster, Lackey or Doubront . . . Talk to me about Masterson in late September. My guess is that humble pie will be in order. Are you sure? Lackey has been good this year, although he is 3 starts behind. His fip is second best of the starters. We get it Boston fans hate him, but he is filling the role we need and more.
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Post by jmei on May 24, 2013 22:03:02 GMT -5
Great 52.6% ground ball rate, too. Lackey has just been terrific so far.
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Post by dmaineah on May 24, 2013 22:14:43 GMT -5
Lackey has just been terrific so far. He's pitching like a #3 should & that's good because he's paid like one.
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Post by Guidas on May 24, 2013 22:15:44 GMT -5
Completely agree. He looked good out of the gate. If he even profiles as a #3 this year he becomes a very valuable asset with that MLB min. extra year, whether they decide to trade high or keep him.
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Post by bluechip on May 24, 2013 22:21:33 GMT -5
Lackey has just been terrific so far. He's pitching like a #3 should & that's good because he's paid like one. Again, 80 million is number two starter money. Aces get 100 million dollar contracts. Guys who expected to be number two starters get 80 million. Lackey's contract is one of the 15 most expensive pitching contracts in history.
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Post by jmei on May 24, 2013 22:24:17 GMT -5
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Post by ikonos on May 24, 2013 22:24:46 GMT -5
Lackey pitched very well this year. Even in the first few starts he would pitch well and then stink up an inning o two. In couple of starts errors doomed the team. If he continues to pitch well this team can do very well this season.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 24, 2013 22:39:10 GMT -5
There was every reason to think that Lackey would do well this year. He obviously was pitching hurt ever since we signed him. And TJ surgery often increases a pitcher's stuff. Once we saw that his control was not bad in ST it should have been expected that he would do well. He had a solid history of performance. I like our chances this year still.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 24, 2013 22:40:02 GMT -5
3 great starting pitchers in the playoffs and you generally are in the running if not even favored. Let's hope they all stay healthy.
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Post by dmaineah on May 24, 2013 22:53:34 GMT -5
Again, 80 million is number two starter money. I disagree. Ace - $23mil+: Verlander, King Felix #1 - $20 - $22mil: Cain, Wainwright #2 - $17 - $19mil: Zito, Weaver #3 - $14 - $16mil: Sanchez, Kuroda, Peavy, Lackey
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 25, 2013 1:36:15 GMT -5
I guess it has to do with how many #1 starters there are. Is it 30? 15? 10? 5? It doesn't seem like 5 is an appropriate answer with so many teams out there. To me Lackey is a potential #2 at this point in his career. Maybe even a #1. Schilling still got guys out when he was 37-38 or so. Lackey is similar in career performance and younger, now healthy. Who knows, he may be a stud for the remainder of this year. He was a likely #3 since last Spring. When he showed increased velocity and decent control for a TJ recovery this Spring he had positive indications things were going to work out. I think he's going to be fine. I'd keep him.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 25, 2013 2:43:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure why it matters at this point what he's paid. His contract isn't an albatross from doing anything else, doesn't have too much remaining, and if I'm not mistaken the Sox now have a team option at the MLB minimum or something like that on the back end since he missed so much time with injury (which if picked up would drastically reduce the AAV).
In terms of the #1 starter argument which doesn't serve much of a purpose, Lester has been a top 10 pitcher overall over the last 5 years, even with last year's debacle. Even over the last 3 years he's been top 12 overall. If he pitches well this year, I think he puts himself into the back end of the elite starter category. At the very least he's at the top end of the secondary starter grouping, and considering the top level is in the single digits in terms of quantity, that's nothing to scoff at
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 25, 2013 7:15:50 GMT -5
Lackey is getting paid 15.25m this year and next year. 500K in 2015. Would be nice to get 2 good years out of him. I'm guessing the Sox will pay him more than 500k in 2015 if he has two good years. Don't have to. But, doubt if you get full effort from this guy for 500k.
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Post by jdb on May 25, 2013 8:43:42 GMT -5
I wonder if Lacky just might decide to retire prior to that 500k season. He'd be 36 and would have won a World Series and made over 105 million.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 25, 2013 8:47:11 GMT -5
The Redsox have been pretty good at "hedging" their bets with both free agents and in providing more team depth. The John Henry factor is bigger on this team than even gets close to being discussed. Not just from access to resources either. The org has learned some things from him also from all appearances. John Lackey and Napoli are exhibits A and B.
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Post by rangoon82 on May 25, 2013 13:04:02 GMT -5
26 pitches through 1 for Kazmir. I'd like to see the Sox run up the pitch count on this fool. Maybe get the added bonus of taxing Clevelands pen for tomorrow.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 25, 2013 14:07:33 GMT -5
I wonder if Lacky just might decide to retire prior to that 500k season. He'd be 36 and would have won a World Series and made over 105 million. I would assume that there is something written into his contract to hedge that. I don't think they would write that clause in and leave him an easy out.
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