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5/31-6/2 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 1, 2013 21:25:50 GMT -5
I love watching Iggy play defense, it's sexual.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jun 1, 2013 21:32:48 GMT -5
I love watching Iggy play defense, it's sexual. That was a sick play, looked like he beat him by 2 steps. Swinging the bat really well too. Doing a good job of making it hard for the front office to put him back on the shuttle.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 1, 2013 21:38:15 GMT -5
Very nice evening for Rookies Iggy and Jr.
When WMB returns Iglesias might refuse to go down '95.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jun 1, 2013 21:38:51 GMT -5
Why does he need to? What does Ciriaco offer at this point?
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 1, 2013 21:41:47 GMT -5
Why does he need to? What does Ciriaco offer at this point? Doubt the FO would elect to have Iggy ride the bench as a utility player rather than playing everyday at AAA.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 1, 2013 21:43:26 GMT -5
Did something happen to Carp? Farrell pinch-hit Gomes for him against a RHP, whom he has no business playing against, why does he continue to do this? It wasn't a defensive switch because we were already up by 7 runs.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 1, 2013 21:45:48 GMT -5
Why does he need to? What does Ciriaco offer at this point? Doubt the FO would elect to have Iggy ride the bench as a utility player rather than playing everyday at AAA. I agree that Iglesias should not be used as a utility player, but there will be a jam once WMB is back. I like Iglesias a lot, and thought Drew was signed to be traded mid season. Although I would not like it, I wonder what Iglesias would be worth on the trade market.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 1, 2013 21:51:59 GMT -5
Why would Iggy, who we have under club control until '19, be the one on the trade market and not Drew who is a FA after this season? Doesn't make much sense to me.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jun 1, 2013 21:59:59 GMT -5
I think it's close to the point where Iggy could learn more and become a better future MLB player by being on the MLB roster and having guys like Ortiz and Pedroia in his ear.
I'm sure they'll take calls on Drew, but unless they get blown away, I doubt they move him, especially if the team is still 10+ games above 500 by the deadline
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Post by Guidas on Jun 1, 2013 22:22:19 GMT -5
Well they need to assess a strategy on Drew. Unless he heats up in the second half the last thing they want to do is make him a qualifying offer. If he's not worth a draft choice they should get what they can get by July 31, unless they think he adds value at SS for the rest of the year over Jose. Of course, track records being what they are, the minute they trade him Iglesias would probably incur an injury.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 1, 2013 22:37:42 GMT -5
"Doubt the FO would elect to have Iggy ride the bench as a utility player rather than playing everyday at AAA."
It's not like playing every day at AAA gets him in a groove. He wants to be in the majors, and he could get 2-3 starts per week if the team wanted. Doubt they'd use him as a defensive replacement though, if they let Drew keep SS when he's been up so far anyway.
I'd be fine with him being in AAA if it'd help him... but JBJ got demoted, used AAA to get back on track and lit it up. Iggy couldn't break .200 for most of the season there. He's got nearly 1000 (916) PAs at AAA. I do think his hitting will eventually improve, and has, but AAA may not get him there any quicker.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 1, 2013 22:47:58 GMT -5
I might agree with the idea that Iggy would benefit of progressing as a hitter at the MLB level instead of AAA, but, I do think that this would require getting a solid amount of AB's per week.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 1, 2013 22:54:34 GMT -5
LOL and Morales forcing Doubront out of the rotation. The guy isn't starting caliber.
Also, I'm not sure why Iglesias and WMB couldn't split time, with Iglesias also starting some games at SS. Playing in AAA just doesn't seem to be doing him any good at this point.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 1, 2013 23:10:41 GMT -5
From Alex Speier fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/06/01/red-sox-postgame-notes-mike-napoli-offers-grand-protection-felix-doubront-makes-live-ball-era-history-vs-yanks-jackie-bradley-breaks-through/""The 23-year-old said that he’s still seeing plenty of the inside fastballs on the fists that he could not handle in his first stretch in the big leagues to start the year. So what’s the difference this go-round, in which he’s now 4-for-10? “Sometimes being able to give them that pitch, still look for a pitch that you want and not give in,” said Bradley. “I was able to fight off some inside pitches today. I actually, with two strikes as well, I actually missed a pitch that was inside that I wish I could have had back, the pop-up, but I’ve been feeling pretty good."" Kind of like Xander, JBJ always seems completely aware of what/where he is in his development and what he has to do. I'd like to see him back at AAA eventually, because I'm in the bag for Nava completely (third highest OF OPS in the AL... All Star?!?), but he's not going to need 1000 AAA PAs to make the majors for good.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 1, 2013 23:28:19 GMT -5
"WMB couldn't split time" -------------------------
ML'ers don't split time. Too much money/ego involved. I don't think Farrell would even float that as a possibility.
The decision will be a bench player or full time AAA. If Iglesias really can't take a demotion mentally, maybe they will let him stay?
I fully expect Drew to be the ss all season. What they do next season with X, who I assume gets his ML start at SS '14, makes a trade of Iggy look pretty likely (at some point).
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 1, 2013 23:38:18 GMT -5
Did something happen to Carp? Farrell pinch-hit Gomes for him against a RHP, whom he has no business playing against, why does he continue to do this? It wasn't a defensive switch because we were already up by 7 runs. Well, you answered your own question so we don't have to. But there's a larger issue here. There's a serious misunderstanding about the role of Gomes and others on the team. Emphasis on just that, the team. There were arguments back and forth before the season started about how you put one together. The Sox seem to have done a good job of that. They chose to go with players they had confidence in, such as Nava. He's doing exactly what he did in the minors: figure out the league and then rake using his outstanding pitch recognition and his iron plate discipline. His numbers are starting to resemble those of his time in AAA. Doing that helped them hold on to the talent that's starting to shine. Nice move. The criticism of Napoli is also silly. There's no mystery about the guy. He's got good power and he walks a bit. He also strikes out a lot, a corollary to those assets, but he's valuable enough for the role he's playing. And comparing against some perceived optimal player at first base is meaningless. There were almost no position players available outside of this guy and, at least for now, that choice looks like a no-brainer. And the price was strictly bargain basement. Another very useful piece, another nice move. Which brings us to Gomes. He's not on the team because he's a star, or because he's expected to carry it anywhere. That would be a very heavy lift since he also has to cart himself around. He's there because he does anything and everything, including making way for the hot bat. He doesn't gripe, piss and moan, or throw stuff. And he really likes to win. The other guys probably appreciate that. He also knows how to get on base, something the team seems to be valuing again. So the criticism sounds hollow. If Farrell wants to throw him a bone at the end of a blowout, more power to him - and to the team.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 1, 2013 23:57:30 GMT -5
I'm all for throwing him a bone because Gomes is a team player and great clubhouse guy, but, I'm also for allowing Carp to get his share of PA's against RHP specially when thus far this season, he has earned them.
2013:
Gomes (128 PA's) .178/.328/.307 Carp (67 PA's) .270/.313/.587 overall; .291/.328/.655 vs RHP
I don't expect Gomes to continue to produce like that, he's due for improvement considering that he's a career .276/.379/.504 hitter against LHP. However, it is ridiculous that Farrell continues to use him against RHP. I get that he's one of the outspoken leaders in the clubhouse, but the guy is and has always been most effective as a platoon option.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 2, 2013 1:04:59 GMT -5
Gomes' OBP vs. RHP > Carp's OBP vs. RHP
Not that it's the only factor, and I agree Carp should play, but 67 ABs and a .328 OBP isn't enough to make me hand over the keys to LF.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 2, 2013 1:27:15 GMT -5
Gomes' OBP vs. RHP > Carp's OBP vs. RHP Not that it's the only factor, and I agree Carp should play, but 67 ABs and a .328 OBP isn't enough to make me hand over the keys to LF. But, that didn't include tonight's results in which Carp went 2-3, 2B, BB, R, RBI improving his line to .288/.338/.606 - Gomes went 0-2 and is now at .175/.323/.301. Count me among those that believe that if Gomes is to turn his season around, he has to be used strictly against LHP, that is the role he is most effective at.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 2, 2013 6:32:55 GMT -5
3-3 this week. Got wins in games started by; Aceves, Morales and Doubront. Lost games started by; Lester, Lackey and Dempster. Beisbol is a funny, funny game.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 2, 2013 6:39:53 GMT -5
When it all shakes down, it is such a joy to see Vernon Wells bungle around in LF for the Yanks. He is a disaster in Yankee stadium's expansive LF and his bat is regressing to the mean. They are hurt badly by him at this point. And that is a joy to watch.
I know most of you don't agree but I would still look at keeping Iglesias on the 25 man ( a lot of you are coming around on that one now ) and move someone to make room for JBJ in the OF. It seems as though Nava can fill in as the 1st base back up and Carp should be worth something in a trade now. And I think Lavarnway can help us also. We have a couple of trade assets and I'd use them before the July deadline if we need to fill in somewhere for an injury...etc..
The league is seeing Iglesias in games like these and they understand the situation. He needs to play in mlb at this point and they understand that. At the same time, he does get injured a lot and he may well be best suited right now to a reserve infield role to phase him in. I think he should get Ciriaco's spot and we can rest that whole infield more often and feel good about it.
JBJ gives us a lot of plate discipline, strong defense and a likely good bat, roughly equivalent offensively to what we get from Carp. If we could get some value from Gomes right now I'd trade him but he is the guy optimized against LH pitching and largely unmoveable and probably will be as good or better than Carp going forward. Carp is playing well but he is tradable and his splits are easily replaced.
We probably stand pat with Salty / Ross with Lavarnway as injury back up but it is great to know we have him down there. To me, Lavarnway probably gives us roughly equivalent to what we get from Ross or Salty and we do have Vasquez available if someone gets hurt. We have sufficient depth at catcher for one of those guys to be used as a trade asset.
The question is, what do we really need? If someone gets hurt, we have some options and that is a great situation at this point in the season. Starting pitching depth even. The team looks strong as heck.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 2, 2013 9:28:39 GMT -5
At one point BA picked Phil Hughes over Clay when asked
about both of them when they were still prospects. It's always sweet when you see MFY prospects for what they are "overrated".
Go spend another 200 million and pass around the "hgh". Then play in a 1 billion dollar "ban -box". By the way Cano and Curtis are up this year. Good luck with that.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2013 10:00:35 GMT -5
Gomes' OBP vs. RHP > Carp's OBP vs. RHP Not that it's the only factor, and I agree Carp should play, but 67 ABs and a .328 OBP isn't enough to make me hand over the keys to LF. But, that didn't include tonight's results in which Carp went 2-3, 2B, BB, R, RBI improving his line to .288/.338/.606 - Gomes went 0-2 and is now at .175/.323/.301. Count me among those that believe that if Gomes is to turn his season around, he has to be used strictly against LHP, that is the role he is most effective at. I mean, not to be that guy, but if one day's worth of games has such a big effect, we're in the realm of small sample size here and this year's batting line should not be the end-all stat (or even the first stat quoted).
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Post by danr on Jun 2, 2013 11:29:46 GMT -5
Who would have thought at the one third point in the season Nava would have a higher OPS than Pedroia, more RBIs than Ortiz, and be second in HRs? And he isn't showing any sign of fading.
Along with the improvement in his defense, he seems to once again moved his improbable career to a new level.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 2, 2013 11:51:03 GMT -5
Who would have thought at the one third point in the season Nava would have a higher OPS than Pedroia, more RBIs than Ortiz, and be second in HRs? And he isn't showing any sign of fading. Along with the improvement in his defense, he seems to once again moved his improbable career to a new level. I feel he very well might keep this up and have a career year. I know the argument against Nava.....but I've given up betting against him.
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