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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2013 19:35:44 GMT -5
I do miss the old days when every pick mattered. I guess this is just the way the draft is now. Back when an MLB GM drafted his own daughter? Calm down, the very late rounds never had exciting players drafted. Now, some if those guys are being drafted earlier, so? Rounds 11-15 now are essentially rounds 6-10 for some teams.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 7, 2013 19:47:45 GMT -5
Curious, which tough-signs do you see us targeting in rounds 11-15? I'd assume that Boldt, Serrano and Jones are out of the equation because they are highly unlikely to sign. A guy like Tellez or Brentz seems like an obvious target.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 7, 2013 19:59:30 GMT -5
I also wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox take a couple two sport stars like they did last year.. They can pay them and hold their rights if football career doesn't work out. How many player's baseball careers have panned out after there football ones didn't? Well then don't you think they're due? Do you play the same lottery numbers every time and hope they finally come up or do you change them every time and swear when your old numbers come up?
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Post by killingmesmalls on Jun 7, 2013 20:21:30 GMT -5
I also wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox take a couple two sport stars like they did last year.. They can pay them and hold their rights if football career doesn't work out. How many player's baseball careers have panned out after there football ones didn't? Most day 3 players don't pan out, so why not take an upside play on a great athlete that could turn into something nice if they focus on baseball?
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 7, 2013 20:58:25 GMT -5
when do you think Rowdy Tellez gets picked?
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 7, 2013 20:58:55 GMT -5
Curious, which tough-signs do you see us targeting in rounds 11-15? I'd assume that Boldt, Serrano and Jones are out of the equation because they are highly unlikely to sign. A guy like Tellez or Brentz seems like an obvious target. After thinking about this I'm not sure I can give you any names but I can give you an example of what might go on. I assume Rowdy will cost at least a million to sign. Otherwise he wouldn't have dropped this far. If we don't have that much left to sign him then what's the point of taking him except to keep him from somebody else? Having said that there are probably a bunch of $600,000 players we can probably draft and would probably go after a bunch of them and see we can get for what before making our decision. However if we Pick Rowdy in the 11th and have no chance of signing him then we miss out on one of the other guys we could've potentially signed as he'd get picked by another team. That said I'd expect to see a run on signability guys right away but only ones with a chance of signing and not the longshots until later.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2013 21:02:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I think there will be a ton of phone calls tonight and tomorrow morning figuring how what the bonus demands are of some of the remaining guys. Then it's matching up available money and bonus demands and level interest.
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Post by pistowie on Jun 7, 2013 21:45:56 GMT -5
How many player's baseball careers have panned out after there football ones didn't? Well then don't you think they're due? Do you play the same lottery numbers every time and hope they finally come up or do you change them every time and swear when your old numbers come up? No, makes me think the opposite actually and I'm not sure what the rest of your post even means
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 7, 2013 22:12:08 GMT -5
Well then don't you think they're due? Do you play the same lottery numbers every time and hope they finally come up or do you change them every time and swear when your old numbers come up? No, makes me think the opposite actually and I'm not sure what the rest of your post even means two sport athletes are at least athletes. In other words physically gifted in some way. All prospects are pretty much a crap shoot. Do you remember Mark Prior? He was the second coming of Christ with a fastball and he flopped. Two sport athletes lottery tickets just like any other athlete. Sooner or later one of those lottery tickets has to win. Make more sense now?
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Post by bluechip on Jun 7, 2013 22:18:48 GMT -5
Kyle Martin ?@kylemartin32 2h Just gotta sign some papers to officially become part of the Boston Red Sox! So blessed and thankful to have this opportunity!
So there is one guy who quickly accepted underslot deal.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jun 7, 2013 22:24:04 GMT -5
No, makes me think the opposite actually and I'm not sure what the rest of your post even means two sport athletes are at least athletes. In other words physically gifted in some way. All prospects are pretty much a crap shoot. Do you remember Mark Prior? He was the second coming of Christ with a fastball and he flopped. Two sport athletes lottery tickets just like any other athlete. Sooner or later one of those lottery tickets has to win. Make more sense now? He got hurt, humans get hurt. BIG difference between flopping/busting and simply getting hurt. He shouldn't be in this conversation at all.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 7, 2013 22:45:55 GMT -5
Supposing Trey Ball wants above-slot money and the Sox refuse, knowing they will have another shot next year with at least the same, or better calibre player. They could then use that money to sign a Tellez or other elite prospect with the saved cap, no?
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 7, 2013 22:46:55 GMT -5
Double post.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jun 7, 2013 22:56:30 GMT -5
Supposing Trey Ball wants above-slot money and the Sox refuse, knowing they will have another shot next year with at least the same, or better calibre player. They could then use that money to sign a Tellez or other elite prospect with the saved cap, no? I don't know much about the new system but I think the player has to sign or that money goes away. Source I think if a player signs under slot then the left over money can be spent elsewhere.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 7, 2013 23:32:54 GMT -5
Ok...so far our 'haul' from #7 draft position seems to be Ball, Stank, Denney and maybe Smith. The rest appear very marginal flotsam on the surface. I wouldn't forget about Littrell or even Austin
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 7, 2013 23:34:56 GMT -5
Tellez and Yaz are my two hopes for tomorrow.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 7, 2013 23:49:38 GMT -5
Well taking away those players that I believe are zero chances to sign at this point I have a list of a few names I like. They could be tough signs as I don't know there salary demands but I think most would sign if a team can get between .5 mil to 1 mil. A few may need slightly more but I bet most can be had for under 1 mil. I'd love to land multiple of these guys.
Chris Okey C 6-1 175 HS Garrett Hampson SS 6-1 175 HS Stephen Wrenn CF 6-2 175 HS Trevor Morrison SS 6-0 175 HS Joey Martarano 3B 6-3 230 HS Ryan Sluder OF 6-3 190 HS Tres Barrera C 6-0 195 HS
Garrett Williams LHP 6-2 195 HS Chandler Eden RHP 6-1 165 HS Thomas Hatch RHP 6-2 205 HS Eric Lauer LHP 6-3 190 HS Alec Grosser RHP 6-4 190 HS Danny Ayers LHP 6-3 205 HS
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 8, 2013 0:13:43 GMT -5
Well taking away those players that I believe are zero chances to sign at this point I have a list of a few names I like. They could be tough signs as I don't know there salary demands but I think most would sign if a team can get between .5 mil to 1 mil. A few may need slightly more but I bet most can be had for under 1 mil. I'd love to land multiple of these guys. Chris Okey C 6-1 175 HS Don't want to rain on your parade but I thought I heard he was definitely honoring his college commitment.
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Post by kazarian on Jun 8, 2013 0:50:50 GMT -5
How many player's baseball careers have panned out after there football ones didn't? Most day 3 players don't pan out, so why not take an upside play on a great athlete that could turn into something nice if they focus on baseball? I Have to agree with the sentiment in regards to taking gambles on pure athleticism in Day 3; the high floor vs high ceiling debate shouldn't apply in these rounds, as very few (perhaps none) of the remaining prospects have that high floor to fall back on. I was one of the few that honestly loved the Shaq Thompson pick at the time it was made; sure it turned out to be a complete disaster, but it's called a gamble for a reason. A player with that degree of explosive athleticism putting his focus primarily on baseball allows one to dream big. This as opposed to an organizational filler pick such as Nathan Minnich, Keaton Briscoe, etc. What's the ceiling on Minnich? Perhaps a Mauro Gomez type, though even that seems doubtful. It's said that we need organizational type picks to fill the system, but many of these upside players who miss will end up becoming those guys anyway, while the ones that do hit, could become impact major leaguers; a role in which Minnich or Briscoe are nowhere near projected to fulfill. The floors on both upside and organizational players are practically identical anyhow, so why not shoot for the moon? Anyway, I digress. By the way, what is the status on Carlos Williams? For those who don't know, he's a two sport high schooler whose commitment to football I'm not sure about. But I ask because he's said to be the fastest player in the draft, even more so than McPhearson, having run the 60 in 6.18
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 1:25:51 GMT -5
Well taking away those players that I believe are zero chances to sign at this point I have a list of a few names I like. They could be tough signs as I don't know there salary demands but I think most would sign if a team can get between .5 mil to 1 mil. A few may need slightly more but I bet most can be had for under 1 mil. I'd love to land multiple of these guys. Chris Okey C 6-1 175 HS Don't want to rain on your parade but I thought I heard he was definitely honoring his college commitment. I read today, don't remember if it was from Law or Callis, that Okey was looking for $1.5M
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Post by nomar on Jun 8, 2013 1:55:23 GMT -5
If anyone knows Tellez's asking price let me know. I'm pretty sure nothing has been said on it yet though.
We could really use 1B depth. I'm not forgetting that a lot of guys start somewhere else and then end up there, but it wouldn't be bad to actually have some valuable depth right now at 1B. Tellez is pretty sound defensively there anyway and he is known for having a patient approach. That at least takes some pressure off hit bat. I'd love to have him if we could afford him at the point. This system is going to have zero lefty power after Ortiz retires. Tellez has arguably the most lefty raw power in the draft.
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 8, 2013 2:19:36 GMT -5
Kieth Law proclaimed Myles Smith, who is 6' 1", to be "undersized", and that his height would be an "obstacle". Its because of stuff like this that I cannot respect his opinions. There is no statistical data, nor sound scientific theory, to suggest that height has any appreciable affect on a pitcher's performance. Armspan might have a small correlation with velocity, but not a huge one, and armspan isn't the same thing as height anyway. Plus, if you already know how hard someone throws, then it absolutely means nothing. And besides, the average height for major league pitchers is only like 6'2", so he isn't even short.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 8, 2013 3:29:29 GMT -5
He is undersized for a starting pitcher. Size is related to durability and stamina.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 6:30:53 GMT -5
He is undersized for a starting pitcher. Size is related to durability and stamina. That's not entirely correct. Size, mainly height is related to downward plane on the fastball. A fastball that is flat and up in the zone is easier to hit especially after an at bat or two. Keith has been very clear about explaining this.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 8, 2013 7:25:46 GMT -5
Kieth Law proclaimed Myles Smith, who is 6' 1", to be "undersized", and that his height would be an "obstacle". Its because of stuff like this that I cannot respect his opinions. There is no statistical data, nor sound scientific theory, to suggest that height has any appreciable affect on a pitcher's performance. Armspan might have a small correlation with velocity, but not a huge one, and armspan isn't the same thing as height anyway. Plus, if you already know how hard someone throws, then it absolutely means nothing. And besides, the average height for major league pitchers is only like 6'2", so he isn't even short. But who knows what the actual size is? Frazier was talked about here as being small 5'11" or even 5'10". At the draft, he was described as 6'1". Our two Japanese relief pitchers are short. Later in the draft, you can't have everything...warts of one kind or another on all. And, why do we want Yaz? Is he a capable player?
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