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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 18:41:58 GMT -5
As Benintendi! And next year's draft looks like a much better one than this year and 2013, so, yeah, normar's right. We've started the clocks on JBJ, Swihart, Betts, Bogaerts, Erod, Owens. This team needs to start competing. If they trade JBJ and others for a starter, and need to go sign Alex Gordon, it's fine to lose that pick.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 18:24:39 GMT -5
I would move Jackie Bradley in a deal for a stud reliever. Someone along the lines of Chapman or Giles. Obviously Chapman would need to be re-signed. I believe there is a lot of quality OF on the trade market that would provide more offense than JBJ. The Sox obviously need offense and moving Bradley would allow you to keep Mookie in CF. Guys like Carlos Gonzalez, Cameron Maybin, Jay Bruce are all out there on the trade market. Even cost friendly guys like Denard Span, Rajai Davis, Chris Young could be options and all of those guys arguably provide more offense than Bradley. I would hold on to Swihart at all costs, the kid improved so much from the time he was called up to the end of the season and he worked his tail off to do that. He will continue to work hard and we will continue to see improvements. If Vasquez had a set back, we would have Ryan Hanigan & Sandy Leon as full time starters. Dombrowski will be nervous to deal Swihart and watch him blossom into the best offensive catcher in the league. A potential all star every year. So you move an OF that's making 550k for a reliever making 12 million. Then you extend said reliever, probably buying out his current year and resigning him at 15-16 mill per. So you've added 14+ million in salary. And now you want to go out and sign a Chris Young Rajai Davis type for 2/10-2/15. You've put the Sox over the luxury tax by about 10-11 million, and you still need to sign a starter and another OF-er. In this situation, the Red Sox now own the 3 highest AAV relievers in the game in Koji Kimbrel and Chapman.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 18:20:03 GMT -5
"You would almost have to include Hanley" What? That makes no sense. The LAST thing the Braves want is Hanley. No ****. Thats why the prospect package would be too great. Hanley isnt going to get paid over 20 million to play the bench on a contending team Yeah so why are you even talking about Hanley? You're saying the prospect cost would be too high because you can't include Hanley? That's a long meandering way to justify the far simpler thought: "Freeman will be too expensive." Hanley has nothing to do with it.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 18:11:48 GMT -5
If we give up the 12th pick for anyone other than Heyward or Greinke I would be very disappointed. Nobody is worth it. Relax. Trey Ball was a 7
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 15:24:34 GMT -5
Teheran doesnt interest me either. Hes young, controllable, and has high upside, but as of right now we already have way to many starting pitchers with upside and risk whether they will reach it or not. Our need is get someone that's an ace and is as sure of a thing as possible to continue being an ace. As for Freeman, he gives me some interest, although I feel the prospect package required would be to great considering you would almost have to include Hanley and the prospects would be better off used for greater needs such as pitching. Then again doing it for the sake of getting rid of Hanley doesnt sound bad at all... "You would almost have to include Hanley" What? That makes no sense. The LAST thing the Braves want is Hanley.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 15:18:45 GMT -5
Would Margot be enough to get Strasburg and Papelbon? He should be enough (or close to it) if we take Papelbon and his contract from them, but I don't think he would be in actuality just because Strasburg is so popular. lol
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 15:08:03 GMT -5
Read the link people. Price/Greinke want NL. Cueto/Zimmerman/Samardzija awful performance in AL hitter parks. DD is in a tough spot. The add a starter via FA thing may have been posturing in case they can't nab Price of Greinke. Another PAINFUL trade may still come. Gammons throws stuff like this out every week. Grain of Salt. Lol and he's usually spot on. You hope Price is posturing to drive up his price, commanding a maximum to come to a park he doesn't want to throw in. But if we think Dave Dombrowski is going to take some half measure and sign Leake, I doubt that's happening.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 15, 2015 12:39:48 GMT -5
Read the link people. Price/Greinke want NL. Cueto/Zimmerman/Samardzija awful performance in AL hitter parks. DD is in a tough spot. The add a starter via FA thing may have been posturing in case they can't nab Price of Greinke. Another PAINFUL trade may still come.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 14, 2015 20:59:15 GMT -5
I'm gonna go to the idea that the pen is largely finished as is if Varvaro is healthy. Varvaro used to set up for Kimbrel with Atlanta. Kimbrel Koji Tazawa Varvaro Ross Layne Barnes Wright, Hembree, Aro, Light, Noe Ramirez, Workman as depth seems all right. You hope one of those guys separates himself. Not against adding anyone else by any means, I just don't hate that current arrangement. In his end of year press conference Dombrowski said he wants to add two relievers to the pen, so there is no way the pen is finished. He also spent the entire GM meetings meeting with a number of FA relievers, while knowing full well he's likely to trade for a star closer. IMO they still sign a quality reliever and as the winter winds down trades some of their depth and a depth prospect for a high upside RP. Could be. I'm not so sure they'll go after another reliever in FA. If they're adding Zimmerman and a 4th OF like Davis/Young, that's another 30+ mill to add to Kimbrel's 12ish. Dombrowski has largely been a straight shooter so far, and stressed heavily in his conference call about how they were able to add Kimbrel without taking talent off their ML roster. Will be interesting where they go with it. Varvaro is supposed to start throwing this month, so I think relief will take a little backseat unless someone approaches them with a can't say no offer for someone like will smith.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 14, 2015 20:51:56 GMT -5
Omg... spelling. He is NOT as bad. This is a MAKE or break year.... The universe is trying to tell you something
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 14, 2015 19:55:37 GMT -5
I'm gonna go to the idea that the pen is largely finished as is if Varvaro is healthy. Varvaro used to set up for Kimbrel with Atlanta.
Kimbrel Koji Tazawa Varvaro Ross Layne Barnes
Wright, Hembree, Aro, Light, Noe Ramirez, Workman as depth seems all right. You hope one of those guys separates himself. Not against adding anyone else by any means, I just don't hate that current arrangement.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 14, 2015 19:31:03 GMT -5
"Miley to SL for prospects SL prospects for Giles"
lol
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 14, 2015 13:00:16 GMT -5
Trade has a good immediate result attained through poor form.
The idea that Dombrowski couldn't get this deal done with just Margot and Guerra is nutty. They're two top 50 prospects for a reliever (albeit a dominant one). That's my fault in it.
It sounds like DD got impatient and Preller was able to prey on that, insisting on adding a guy like Allen. But to think Preller would reject a deal that adds a new #1 and #3 to the Padres system because Logan Allen isn't included is nuts.
So, the real ramifications aren't losing Allen or Guerra in a seeming overpay, but for the precedence Dombrowski set for future trades. Trading for a starter would be EXTREMELY painful, especially the way he seemingly negotiates. He claims this is largely it and the Sox will go find a starter in FA, which I hope for the farm's sake, is true. Word of warning, if that is true, it means the Sox are adding HUGE payroll this offseason, and will be above luxury tax. Seems like a very non-John Henry method, then again maybe his tune has changed after 2 garbage years.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 21:54:47 GMT -5
That is my rationalization. I don't like the deal if they go out and trade Moncada, AB, Espinoza, etc. to rebuild the rest of the team. It sucks especially when they could have held Miller last year but different regimes. Hopefully that is the narrative and we just splurge in FA but I guess we shall see. If we woulda kept miller we wouldn't have erod He means trade for ERod, then run right back out in FA and sign Miller to what the yanks gave him.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 21:53:38 GMT -5
My take:
If DD goes out and signs David Price or Greinke, it's totally fine.
If Henry's checkbook gets tight, and this trade is the precedent set, getting a cost-controlled starter is going to be hellish.
Hopefully this is the end of major trades.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 19:33:30 GMT -5
Do you learn from your mistakes? He built a team with ownership that went for it on big position players and starting pitching. In an interview he mentioned that the pen was a place they made a conscious decision to not prioritize money and prospects on given the fluctuating nature of relievers. He's not in that mindset currently. He stating they need power arms. I bet you're scared of the boogeyman too. Oh good he admitted he had bad bullpens and that he can't do that. Reading comprehension is not your strong point lol. So far of 3 concrete rumors we've had, 2 of them have been DD talking to Soria and Chapman. Sounds like he's on the right track.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 14:46:05 GMT -5
I don't trust Dombrowski, he's going to make things interesting but he has no track record of building a bullpen which is why they didn't win a WS and I feel he's going to make a trade or two that will REALLY piss people here off, like really badly. Do you learn from your mistakes? He built a team with ownership that went for it on big position players and starting pitching. In an interview he mentioned that the pen was a place they made a conscious decision to not prioritize money and prospects on given the fluctuating nature of relievers. He's not in that mindset currently. He stating they need power arms. I bet you're scared of the boogeyman too.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 14:43:09 GMT -5
Anytime you include a zero trade value guy like Rutledge in a trade proposal it's a pretty good sign you're trying to rationalize a trade that's not actually fair at all. Haha you are right though, Rutledge doesn't really bring any value to the Sox, I just included him because the Braves just traded Simmons so they could need a little middle infield depth. It isn't much value, but it's something at a position of need for the Braves, he would have been likely to be outrighted off the Red Sox 40 man anyway. That being said the core of the trade isn't irrational. 3 years of 200 inning Miley, 3 years of Kelly, plus 6 years of Johnson for 4 years of Teheran shouldn't be unreasonable. Rebuilding team with a lot of talent in A and AA. Wouldn't think Miley and Kelly are that attractive over prospects. Not to mention you've eradicated a huge amount of pitching depth by trading 3 starters for 1.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 13:46:11 GMT -5
And if anyone honestly expects Castillo to make those adjustments, then he's a guy YOU WANT TO KEEP. YOU HANG ON TO HIM.
You don't sit there and pitch another team on his miraculous turn around hoping to make him their problem. That's the most telling part of this.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 13:44:00 GMT -5
We seen him appear in 16 games at center. And please point out to me where this "enough power" is. His terrible iso? His god-awful slugging percentage? I'm confused, cause I haven't seen it. And they sorta do grow on trees lol. Franklin Gutierrez just signed a 1 year deal. Rajai Davis will probably get a 2 year deal. De Aza will probably sign a 1 year deal. Dexter Fowler is a far better hitter than Rusney and might not get a 5/60 deal. Rasmus took his QO on a 1 year deal. Austin Jackson might get 3/30. Parra played some center this year. What will he get? 3/24? Denard Span is out there too. Victorino will probably get a 1 year deal and could probably play center if healthy. I still believe Castillo has more upside than some of those FA you listed. IMO most of those guys have peaked. As it's been said before, Castillo's contract isn't terribly worse than 3/30....if he improves just a bit, may be well worth the deal if not more. Lol, you have to ABSOLUTELY love a guy to trade for a 5 year contract that doesn't include arbitration. And if your argument is "Castillo has more upside and they've peaked" I'm sorry but you're grasping at straws lol. Those guys have proven track records. Them performing to the tune of 1.5 WAR isn't some pipe dream. They've all done it within the last 2 seasons. I don't limit Castillo's ability. He has athleticism. But he needs fundamental mechanical changes. Teams gamble on upside on 1 year deals and with guys who are controlled cheaply. If Castillo suddenly hits .270/.330/.430, then his value shoots way up. We haven't seen that yet, and with his poor approach, we have nothing to assume he will, other than us blindly wishing for it.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 13:30:00 GMT -5
Trade Brian Johnson, Josh Rutledge, Wade Miley, and Joe Kelly to Atlanta for Julio Teheran and a competitive balance pick Anytime you include a zero trade value guy like Rutledge in a trade proposal it's a pretty good sign you're trying to rationalize a trade that's not actually fair at all. Haha thank you. Some rational thought finally. Can't just throw bodies at them.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 2:35:43 GMT -5
Gomes had a terrible year this year Dude was injured and had a 4.5 WAR in 2014 lol. Come on. He's also signed to a 4-6 year deal. I don't think they're suddenly running from Yan Gomes.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 2:29:19 GMT -5
Marrero is valuable more to a team like the Reds than us, so he could.as a potential piece here. Not sure who else makes sense, maybe Miley flipped to a 3rd team? Reds really like Alex Blandino, 2014 1st rounder who resides at AA currently. He's a fast mover and they like him at short.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 2:20:13 GMT -5
Reds are rebuilding. The likelihood they want a pitcher on a 2/15.5 or 3/27.5 deal is sorta non-existant. Marrero not enough to get it done, he has a .622 ops in what amounts to a full major league season at AAA (152 games). Unsure why the Indians would trade both Carrasco and Bauer, not to mention in the same deal, not to mention for that return. Also not sure why you trade for Trevor Bauer and then he's not slotted into your rotation. I actually think Miley makes some sense for the Reds. They have a really young rotation at the moment and two things I think they need are a veteran presence and more importantly, a reliable innings eater. Miley would fill both of these roles at a fairly reasonable price and he should perform better back in the NL. I don't know if the Reds would take it, but I don't think Miley, Marrero and someone like Pat Light for Chapman is crazy offer. The Reds don't have many big chips left to sell. They will want to use those to acquire the best young talent to supplement their rebuild, not to return a guy who has no history of veteran leadership to use as a player coach. Not sure why they'd go for 2 B- prospects when they could get 1 A prospect. Especially if they wait for the deadline.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 1:54:01 GMT -5
Not an ace, but a solid 3 at worst and likely a fair 2 if he keeps up his second-half performance: Taijuan Walker. If the Mariners really are interested in JBJ and wanna make it happen, they'd better start with Walker, end with Walker, and talk about nobody else. A 1-for-1 seems actually almost reasonable. Paxton has already been in rumors. I think it's probably fair to say they want to trade him and not Walker.
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