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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 4, 2021 9:00:49 GMT -5
I feel like we've hyped up these prospects so much we are destined to be disappointed.
Which to be fair, we shouldn't be shocked when the Sox don't get a top 10 prospect. I'll be happy with anyone who has the tools to be an impactful major league player one day.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 3, 2021 9:56:12 GMT -5
If Casas was a year older destroying baseballs in AAA
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 3, 2021 7:09:01 GMT -5
I absolutely trust the Sox FO to make the right call, but man, I'm imagining the uproar if we pass on any of Lawlar/Mayer/Leiter/Davis to take Rocker. If anyone is taken, who was in any of the mocks lower than someone left on the board, someone is going to be unhappy with the pick. I don't view these mocks as a top prospect list, theres some fluidity between guys based on risk, bonus demands, and different scouting perspective between teams etc. and I think that is the problem some time. Not all of the time, but sometimes I feel that people see a guy being mocked at a certain position and they get the false belief that they're better than the guys beneath them. That's not concertely true, especially at the top of this draft.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 2, 2021 18:42:06 GMT -5
Every time I see someone has posted in here I get all giddy and jump in only to be disappointed and then have to answer to my wife for what I'm doing online that is making me smile so much.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 2, 2021 18:39:39 GMT -5
Two guys who may be on the market who would fill the largest offensive gaps in our lineup right now would be
C.J. Cron at 1B and Adam Frazier at 2nd. Both put up stats much better than what we have, have a track record of doing so, and don't particularly struggle with splits.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 30, 2021 8:06:17 GMT -5
Here is my top ten.
1.) I 2.) Have 3.) No 4.) Clue 5.) who 6.) The 7.) Best 8.) Pick 9.) Will 10.) Be.
I have faith the scouting department will make that choice. I read these lists from Keith law, ESPN, BA, Pipeline etc and I don't think that's a consensus order of talent as much as it's a list of who they think a team will take there based on a whole list of estimations. Whoever the Sox take at #4, for all I know 5 other players would have been taken between the other 28 teams. I'm a huge homer, I'm going to have long conversations in my head about how Leiter/Rocker/Jobe/Davis/Lawlar/Mayer/House is going to be the next great pitcher/hitter in Boston.
Ah screw it, I'll throw my hat in the ring with a top ten for the spirit of the conversation. I once won an NCAA Bracket and I had no ideal what I was doing.
1 Mayer 2 Lawlar 3 Leiter 4 Davis 5 Rocker 6 House 7 Madden 8 Jobe 9 Watson 10 Frelick
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 29, 2021 15:07:46 GMT -5
If Davis is a legit contender for the #1 pick, then we have to think that there's a strong possibility that Lawlar or Mayer falls to us. Would we pass on them? or pass on one of the Vandy RHPs?
Until now, I haven't given Lawlar/Mayer much thought because most mocks have them going before #4.
It wasn't too long ago that it seemed the archetypical Sox draftee was an up the middle guy like Lawlar or Mayer. I wouldn't complain having a potential 5 tool SS in the system.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 26, 2021 6:58:53 GMT -5
A 4th, a 3rd if they eat some more money.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 26, 2021 6:41:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure where one would go to look this up, but it feels like strikeouts are up an awful lot this year. Not just for the Sox but for all of baseball.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 21, 2021 12:07:08 GMT -5
That's works out to be about 1 out of every 6 games left we're playing the yankees.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 20, 2021 9:06:08 GMT -5
That option on Richards might end up being a great value. I'd love to have him for another year if he keeps playing great, not sure I'd want to compete for him in the market though.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 20, 2021 7:18:40 GMT -5
The global pandemic reduced last year's player pool by 90% so I'm assuming this is the driving force in the "depth" of this class. I'd guess it wouldn't make much of a difference at the top, and it certainly wouldn't take away much leverage from a high schooler who can just go to college, but I have to think that the senior sign talent this year is going to be about twice as strong as last year. I suppose a Junior could always return for their senior year too, but, one would have to think a scouting department working overtime could find some nice returns in the depth of this draft.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 19, 2021 7:39:22 GMT -5
Is there any pressure to take a Rocker if he is there based on the Sox inability to produce a homegrown starter in years? Inherently one has to believe at the very least the Sox lack of success with Pitchers is just bad luck. Pitchers are hard to draft and develop, but it's really tough to look at their track record. I don't think I'm smart enough to say we can't draft or develop pitchers, but if the problem was the Sox ability to scout and develop talent I would think the solution would be personel changes to scout and develop pitchers better. The personel today, is different than it was 10 years ago, for all we know the Sox could be the best team at developing pitchers over the next 10 years. Personally, and I know pitchers are riskier, I have a hard time passing up top pitching talent, but admittedly I'm not a very risk adverse person.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 19, 2021 7:27:39 GMT -5
The worse thing about last night is with a day off I was feening for baseball, and then THAT happened. The thing about a 162 game season is, you have to constantly remind yourself that it's a 162 game season.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 19, 2021 7:25:29 GMT -5
If the #4 pick doesn't crack the top 3 then I'll take that as a really really good sign. As that will say more about the performance of our system than it will about the player. Heck, with that in mind, I hope he doesn't crack the top 5.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 19, 2021 7:07:36 GMT -5
All I know if Austin Meadows is on the board we better not take Trey Ball (immediately ducks for cover)
Real talk though, with the "strength" talk I think it will be interesting to see who cuts a deal at the top if anyone. Also, if someone does "cut" a deal I'd be happy to take one of the top arms. Maybe it's us?
This is a topic I've been giving a lot of thought too and was thinking about last night. Let's say for example, and I'm just picking a random name here, that Texas takes someone like Jordan Wicks #2. How do we know for a fact they're "cutting a deal" over them truly ranking him #2. At the end of the day, 32 teams have 32 draft boards that we don't see. We build our own consensus based on a handful of outside rankings. Now, I'm sure this rings more true the further down the board you go and I know that people at MLB, BA, PG, etc talk to all the scouts and they have a pretty good idea at what the consensus is, but still, if a guy is taken a few spots sooner than anticipated maybe some teams are just higher on some guys than everyone else....I guess for lack of having anything of any real value to add I just leave it at that. It will be an interesting day for sure and can't come soon enough. Sorry about the Trey Ball comment, that's my horrible attempt at humor.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 17, 2021 13:04:41 GMT -5
MVP Xander Bogaerts CY Young: Nick Pivetta ReOY: Matt Barnes ROY: Garrett Whitlock CPOY: Garrett Richards. Checks out. Would also allow JD Martinez as MVP. CO MVP's! great point. I agree.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 17, 2021 5:21:47 GMT -5
MVP Xander Bogaerts CY Young: Nick Pivetta ReOY: Matt Barnes ROY: Garrett Whitlock CPOY: Garrett Richards.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 16, 2021 7:57:03 GMT -5
Gentlemen sheesh! It was a good win, can we take a step back from the ledge of attacking each other for our opinions on certain players? JFC, reading through this thread tonight you’d think the Sox loss, And Cordero had sexual relations with your wife in left field on national television. I hope the best for FC, and that will probably include a stint in AAA. I’m excited that this late in the season we keep winning. Every day we are above the Yankees in the standing is a good day for me, especially considering going in, I did not foresee this being a reality. i’m learning to love how much the national media shits on the Sox, and every time they do this version of the team fights right back between the lines, instead of in the paper. Great win, and hopefully we can put an exclamation point with a sweep. 3 Days ago everyone was thinking this was when the Sox gave up 1st for good. I don't know about Cordero but if it was Jake Taylor I'd be really excited.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 14, 2021 8:59:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I have to agree I won't miss missing Ohtani. But it would make a sweep all the sweeter if we could beat him.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 14, 2021 8:57:18 GMT -5
I think it's reasonable to say that if the Patriots are winning games Cam Newton is at the very least playing marginally better than last year. Not placing my bets on another MVP year but I think it's plausible his 2021 is better than his 2020.
I know the narrative is Mac is the most NFL-ready QB, but I still think there's tremendous value in sitting for a year (or close to it) and learning a pro system, getting in the training room, and adding a little arm strength, etc. I'm not sold on Miami, Wilson, and I don't think the Saints will be tough without Brees. I say we get off to a 2-2 start.
Personally, I don't think there's a chance in hell the Mac Jones starting talk starts until at the very least mid-season, and that centers around either injury or bad play. I think the question worth asking is at what point does Mac Jones becomes the #2 QB on this team? Because we know BB is going to start Cam week 1-8 no matter how bad he is, but he's got to start the backup if he gets injured. I don't think he throws Mac in there in week 1 so when does he become the #2 option? can he earn it in the preseason? or no?
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 14, 2021 6:30:24 GMT -5
As a Sox fan, it's my divine right to be a homer. I'm 100% on the Duran train! All aboard. ' 440 feet! if his added power doesn't hurt his hit tool this kid is going to be a stud. Never would have thought that when they gave a college bat slot in the 7th round.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 12, 2021 13:56:09 GMT -5
This is probably a very unpopular take, and if it's stupid then.......well.... let's just all be happy I don't work in the Red Sox front office. But I wouldn't hate if they went a little underslot with a guy at #4 and spread the love around with a few of their picks in rounds 2-10. It always feels that we throw away a ton of senior signs to get ONE other guy but with the draft position they have this year and the money that comes with it they could draft several additional high talent prospects.
Let us face it, if you're drafting 1-10 any given year it's still more likely you're drafting a bust than a boom. The big difference I see in high picks is most of them do make the majors but most of them never turn into premium players. Now, I'm not going to differentiate from position player vs. pitchers here so I'll just say if you draft a future big leaguer you're much more likely to hit on a Kyle Schwarber than you're an Aaron Nola.
You could likely go undershot with a guy at #4 and still be taking a premium talent compared to the 20-32 range the Sox are used to sitting at.
I will say this, I will probably listen to the Soxprospects podcast and find a reason to fall in love with whoever they pick.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 10, 2021 6:50:34 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does Devers defensive play seem to have taken a tick up from where it was the first couple weeks?
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 3, 2021 6:49:21 GMT -5
Honestly, while some seem to be concerned that Bill Belichick showed little hesitation to move up for Jones I find it calculating and refreshing. If Mac is a bust, all you wasted was the #15 pick, you didn't waste your #1 pick over the next several years. If Trey Lance is a bust and San Fran falls apart then it's going to be Miami picking with their #1's over the next several years. Meanwhile, N.E. still has its draft capital; Mac Jones could be a bust, but the Patriots didn't mortgage the future over him. If you look at how often a #1 QB busts vs how often the best QB in a draft ends up being the guy taken later in the 1st or even in the 2nd or 3rd round, it makes sense to be in a position to go QB every year (hypothetically at least) opposed to going all-in on a guy ever 5 years.
I was just slightly surprised they didn't go WR, part of me thought they would shift gears because they invested #15 on Jones. However, going for BPA and not for need after getting their QB felt very familiar as a Pats fan.
Also, I love the Edleman comp (in terms of draft position at least). That was precisely what I thought about when they went WR in the 7th. I remember thinking the Patriots didn't do enough to replace Welker when he left. The move was to give Edleman more snaps and sign Amendola. Julian was a good special teamer at the time but I didn't think he could stay healthy with the increased workload and be productive.......and then the next decade of Julian Edleman greatness happened. Not related to the draft but it's where my mind wandered this weekend.
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