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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 29, 2015 22:35:30 GMT -5
"David Price may get Scherzer money – $30 million a year for seven years – and new Boston GM Dave Dombrowski has done everything he can to convince Red Sox ownership to look past the restrictions on massive free agent contracts and let him spend, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Neither the Chicago Cubs nor St. Louis plans to go there, though they’ll pay a pretty penny – or a couple billion a year – for their shot at Price." This us from the new article posted by Jeff Passan at Yahoo sports.http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-s-market-has-changed-and-jordan-zimmermann-s-contract-is-proof-012403586-mlb.html I don't know how to interpret this statement. Is he saying DD is begging the ownership group to open the wallet or saying that he has convinced them to already?
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 29, 2015 14:21:23 GMT -5
Zimmerman off board to Tigers is most likely a bad thing, simply because it added another suitor to the limited pool of FA arms. Dodgers were heavily linked to Zimmerman the last few weeks, so that would have been really great for Sox fans, taking them out of the bidding for Price/Greinke. I see it this way too. Dodgers, Giants and Cubs may now be in on Price. One will take Greinke, Cubs may take Shark, but I don't see the other team settling for Cueto. Dombrowski obviously is confident he can get his man, but now he needs to act quickly. There are still a lot of moving parts in the starting pitching market and while all those teams may turn their attention to Price, I think it could have the opposite effect. Teams like the Cubs and Giants may look at this signing and decide they would rather allocate less money to the second tier starters like Leake, Samardzija, Chen and Kazmir rather than spend 200 plus million on David Price.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 28, 2015 23:59:15 GMT -5
Once the first of the top 4 starters sign it should move the market forward and add some urgency to the teams to seal the deal on the guy that they want. Would love to see Price sign with the Sox before the start of the winter meetings
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 28, 2015 23:45:42 GMT -5
“@jonmorosi: #Tigers in discussions with Jordan Zimmermann, sources tell @ken_rosenthal and me, with multiple people saying talks have become serious.” Just saw that. There goes one of the top 4 options at starting pitcher. Hopefully if this signing happens it gives the free agent market a kickstart. Let's just hope this leads David Price to the Sox and doesn't instead leave them in the cold in the game of musical chairs that is the free agent market.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 28, 2015 21:45:52 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox owners realized that they made a mistake by not signing Lester and are now willing to pay the going rate to get a bona fide ace. Price is the best starter on the free agent market to come along in a while and would also be the best free agent starter next offseason and the one after that. The time to strike is now and I'm fine with a 7/210 deal to get it done
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 28, 2015 11:49:56 GMT -5
If the Blue Jays are actually out on signing Price then it should greatly help the Sox as I think they were their main competition to sign him. Looking at the list of teams to sign him, the Red Sox seem to be the best bet unless a team like the Angels comes out of no where to outbid everyone. The Cubs have Maddon but I doubt they pony up 200 mill for Price when they have Lester already signed for big money and have to pay Arrieta too. That would be way too much money invested in the starting rotation. The Dodgers seem to be more focused on Greinke or Zimmermann and already have Kershaw. I doubt he would be happy if Price signs a deal with the Dodgers making more money than him. Here Price would be "The guy", ace of the team, to lead the staff for years to come. Hopefully this leads Price to Boston for around 7/215
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 27, 2015 16:45:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind an opt out after 5 years on a 7 year deal. Something like 7/220 with an opt out. I think Price will pitch at an ace level for at least the next 5 years then he can decide to cash in after that or not. Seems fair for both sides
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Nov 24, 2015 21:16:49 GMT -5
I think that the Red Sox ownership group through DD are poised to spend big on a starter this year bc they know that David Price and Greinke are the top starters available for the next few years and definite aces. I think (hope) that they will not be outbid in the end bc they realize that this is their best chance to get a bona fide #1. Next year Ortiz and others will be off the books so the money won't be as much of an issue going forward.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jan 6, 2015 22:08:16 GMT -5
Drew re-signs with the Yankees to play 2B. 1 year around 5 million with incentives to reach around 7 million according to Mlbtraderumors.com. Looks like he will platoon with one of the young guys, either Refsnyder or Pirela. Decent gamble by them at low cost.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 31, 2014 1:25:16 GMT -5
I never said to get an ace at any price possible. I am just saying that the time to do it is now before the season starts and Scherzer and Hamels are two of the top options. I think that Shields is too old and will get too much money but Scherzer just recently turned 30 and Hamels isn't yet 31. I don't know how you expect to get a top starter out there on "their terms". Any top quality starting pitcher is going to cost top dollars or a top prospect like Owens. Zimmermann, Cueto, Price, Samardzija, etc are all going to turn 30 soon and cost quality prospects to trade for and/or top dollars. If your hope is that one of Porcello, Miley, or Masterson is due to break out then I just ask why you think that? They all have question marks and can't be relied upon as an option to cross your fingers and hope someone becomes a quality pitcher the same caliber of a top starter. An ace, or whatever term you want to use to describe a top quality starting pitcher, is just that. Someone who has performed at a high level and led a staff with great stats in the season and in the playoffs. None of the pitchers currently on the roster can say that. Relying on one or more of them to turn into that is foolish IMO.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 31, 2014 0:32:22 GMT -5
I realize that next year isn't a World Series or bust year...but the goal is to go far into the playoffs and win it all! To accomplish this, history has shown that you need an ace caliber starting pitcher to win in the playoffs. Bumgarner, Lester, Sabathia, Hamels, Wainwright, Beckett, Schilling and the list goes on. That is why Sox fans are clamoring for an ace caliber pitcher. Especially after losing our ace in free agency. Scherzer has been one of the top starters over the last few years with the most strikeouts and a Cy Young to show for it. No one wants the Sox to pay him but they instead want to wait and pay someone else next year and give up a first round pick. The Sox have spent heavily on hitters this offseason and traded for a few mid rotation starters and signed another. That might make it to the playoffs but I believe they need an ace caliber pitcher to win it all. That is what we as fans want and root all year for! Not to try hard and hope to make the playoffs. It should bug you that they haven't addressed this yet. Especially when you go to a game and it costs you a small fortune and you are paying the highest ticket prices in the league!
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 30, 2014 22:51:11 GMT -5
Everyone wants to wait until the trade deadline or next offseason to make a move for an ace and I just don't get it. Ortiz and Pedroia aren't getting any younger and the team has the money to act now by trading for someone like Hamels or signing Scherzer or Shields. Even if you trade for someone at the deadline or wait until next offseason to sign someone, the price is only going to go up. Guys like Cueto, Samardzija, and Price may not even reach free agency and if they do they are going to be just as expensive as Lester or Scherzer. Why not just pay Scherzer now when you only have to give up a third round pick or trade for Hamels while he is still relatively young and cheaper than some of the other ace level pitchers.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 23, 2014 12:18:51 GMT -5
Question in regards to next years large crop of FA pitchers. Will there be enough teams willing to spend for each pitcher to get a large contract? Price Zimmerman Samardzija Cueto Not to mention the second tier headed by the Red Sox newbee Porcello. I think it will be interesting to see if someone signs right out of the gate or if the last one of the four to sign gets stuck with a lesser contract. Add in Grienke who, barring an injury or an extremely down year will exercise the opt out. But the answer is yes, especially when Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, San Francisco, Angels, Seattle, and a few other teams will have money to spend. Will likely see AAVs higher than this year's market. This is why the best time for the Red Sox to strike on an ace is this offseason by signing Scherzer or trading for Hamels. Signing Scherzer this year will only cost a third round pick, rather than a first round pick to sign one of the free agents next year. Plus, with more pitchers out there and more money freed up by other teams, the Sox will end up spending around the same on someone like Price, Cueto, or Zimmermann next year. Many teams have already spent money this year and don't have room in their budget for someone like Hamels or Scherzer. The Red Sox are willing to go over the tax threshold this year and will easily be under for next year with some of the higher salaries off the books in Napoli, Victorino, Mujica, Porcello, Buchholz, and Masterson. The time is now and Scherzer is one of the best starting pitchers over the last few years
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 21, 2014 20:59:32 GMT -5
I would love to see the Sox trade for Hamels in a deal involving E-Rod or Owens and a mix of guys like Barnes, Coyle, and Marrero but I don't know if Amaro is insisting on Betts, Bogaerts, or Swihart or if Cherington doesn't want to include Owens. If Hamels goes to San Diego or another team instead then the best option would be to pony up for Scherzer in my opinion. He has been one of the top pitchers over the last few years and he will only cost money, allowing the Sox to hold onto their top prospects. With teams dropping out for his services left and right we may be able to get him at a reasonable contract. Somewhere around 7 years for 170.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 21, 2013 12:52:29 GMT -5
No one wants Choo here but they are all saying now how great a signing it is for Texas and how good they are going to be now. I hope Nava gets better this year and 2013 wasn't a fluke season bc there aren't many good free agent OFs reaching free agency in the next couple years
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 21, 2013 12:22:48 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's going to match the Werth deal around 126M over 7 years. We'll see
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 15:17:58 GMT -5
Gotcha
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 15:06:51 GMT -5
So this is the non-Red Sox MLB news thread but you don't want news posted here unless you think people will talk about it in the forum. Am I missing something here?
During the winter meetings when moves were made then everyone posted them here w signings and trades. So a week later this is frowned upon?
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 14:59:37 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal Source: #Twins get LHP Sean Gilmartin from #Braves for C/OF Ryan Doumit. Doumit to ATL first reported by @jeffpassan.
@jonheymancbs Eric Chavez has deal with dbacks
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 14:26:31 GMT -5
Herrera isn't a free agent until after the 2015 season. This is his second year of arbitration
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 14:13:25 GMT -5
@jeffpassan Sources: Joaquin Benoit deal with San Diego is done, pending physical.
Deal is for 2 yrs and 15.5M
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 14:11:41 GMT -5
@jonheymancbs ibanez has deal with angels. $2.75M plus incentives.
Deal could reach 5M total w incentives
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 14:10:34 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal #Rockies acquiring OF Drew Stubbs from #Indians, sources tell me and @jonmorosi.
The Indians receive P Josh Outman according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 14:09:10 GMT -5
@clarkspencer Casey McGehee agrees to terms on 1-year deal with #Marlins
It's a 1 yr major league deal for 1.1M according to Rosenthal
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 18, 2013 13:57:24 GMT -5
Red Sox trade RP Franklin Morales and RP Chris Martin to Colorado for IF Jonathan Herrera per Ian Browne.
@ianmbrowne: Rockies MLB.com reporter Thomas Harding and I have confirmed that Franklin Morales is going to the Rox for Jonathan Herrera.
Ian Browne ?@ianmbrowne Prospect Chris Martin also going to Rockies in this trade.
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