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8/13-8/15 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by dfwsox on Aug 15, 2013 20:51:31 GMT -5
How the hell is that an error on Lavarnway? It took a totally weird hop, so basically just bad luck, but if anything more on Pedroia than Lavarnway. That was not a terrible throw and pedria normally makes that play.
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2013 20:52:30 GMT -5
That sucked.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 15, 2013 20:53:05 GMT -5
One of the worst non-walkoff losses of the year. One run against Buehrle? I do not have a good feeling about this weekend.
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Post by dfwsox on Aug 15, 2013 20:53:11 GMT -5
Hate blowing a good start like that. We had our chances fo sho.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 15, 2013 20:53:20 GMT -5
Wow drop series to Blue Jays
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 15, 2013 21:02:13 GMT -5
Nothing like putting runners on all over the place, including *7* in the 1st 3 innings, yet only plating one. Seems like we touched on that subject yesterday?
Was nice to see Pedey and Lavarnway with good swings tonight. Lava has looked nice every game he's had over the last month + in fact. Infrequent playing time hasn't affected his swing at all. Maybe Farrell should let him have more time behind the plate, they guy doesn't take wild hacks when he stands in there at least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 21:02:52 GMT -5
I know every team has a night off, but the offense has been in a long slump. If the red sox can only score one run off Mark Buerhle, then they will REALLY struggle come play-off time and they would have to face pitchers like Scherzer, Verlander, Colon, Kershaw, etc. The point is, if the Red sox can't handle weak pitching, they will have NO chance against quality pitching. The offense needs to pick it up, and fast.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 15, 2013 21:04:03 GMT -5
That hurts.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 15, 2013 21:10:55 GMT -5
I know every team has a night off, but the offense has been in a long slump. If the red sox can only score one run off Mark Buerhle, then they will REALLY struggle come play-off time and they would have to face pitchers like Scherzer, Verlander, Colon, Kershaw, etc. The point is, if the Red sox can't handle weak pitching, they will have NO chance against quality pitching. The offense needs to pick it up, and fast. Well, this has been my thought for a while. If Papi were removed from this team......nuff said. The series against the Yankees could tell us (and them) a lot. Should they sweep us, they will be hard in the wild card. With Kuroda and Nova (both of whom are better than our No.1) we, and other teams, could be in trouble in the playoffs.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 15, 2013 21:16:41 GMT -5
This was supposed to be maybe our easiest road trip of the season and we go 4-6 against crappy teams. Not looking good. Clay doesn't look like he is coming back for another 3 weeks maybe. What a frustrating few weeks.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 15, 2013 21:18:20 GMT -5
This was supposed to be maybe our easiest road trip of the season and we go 4-6 against crappy teams. Not looking good. Clay doesn't look like he is coming back for another 3 weeks maybe. What a frustrating few weeks. I wouldn't call KC "crappy" they are far from that....
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 15, 2013 21:29:45 GMT -5
RT @espnstatsinfo: The redsox are now 0-14 on @benaffleck's birthday since the release of Good Will Hunting in 1998.
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Post by godot on Aug 15, 2013 21:32:16 GMT -5
You guys have a right to vent, but teams go through these stages. Still, the concerns about inconsistent hitting and what it means for the playoffs are valid. Some of these guys could probably use a little rest, which will occur when the roster expands. Let's see what September brings though before we get on the ledge.
Is Farrell using Lavarnway a little more? Ross may be back up soon. Is Ryan going back to the minors util the rosters can expand? Wonder if he cleared waivers?
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Post by Guidas on Aug 15, 2013 21:33:36 GMT -5
Screw 3rd base. Someone give Xander a first baseman's mitt.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 15, 2013 21:36:32 GMT -5
You guys have a right to vent, but teams go through these stages. Still, the concerns about inconsistent hitting and what it means for the playoffs are valid. Some of these guys could probably use a little rest, which will occur when the roster expands. Let's see what September brings though before we get on the ledge. Is Farrell using Lavarnway a little more? Ross may be back up soon. Is Ryan going back to the minors util the rosters can expand? Wonder if he cleared waivers? When the roster expands the Sox will be in a rock fight for a playoff spot. You want to trust that to AAA talent? If they had split with KC and won this series they'd be up 6 games and maybe you could think a little about resting guys come Sept 1. Not now.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 15, 2013 21:46:51 GMT -5
This was supposed to be maybe our easiest road trip of the season and we go 4-6 against crappy teams. Not looking good. Clay doesn't look like he is coming back for another 3 weeks maybe. What a frustrating few weeks. I wouldn't call KC "crappy" they are far from that.... I'll go with that. Good mixture of front line SP, power and really good kids on the way up. That team is better than the Tribe IMO, just got off to a bad couple of months in the early summer and is playing catchup now. As for the other post regarding Ross/Lavarnway? Farrell is a former SP as everyone knows and probably thinks like one too much IMO.. He takes their feelings into account more than he should.. Like who they want catching them, as in Salty. I give Bobby V credit for shaking up lineups as something he would do, not afraid to tell someone no, like Joe Morgan was and Kevin Kennedy even somewhat. Very few Sox managers had the guts to face the media in NE, fans, players all together. Dick Williams was a master, then that was another era and not even close to the same scrutiny. Managers who can manage a lineup, bench players at the proper time and win are a rare commodity.. LaRussa, Herzog, Williams and the master..Earl Weaver. Edit: Forgot to mention command respect from all of their players at all times as managers. Something that Billy Martin lost on occasion, though he was a master as well many seasons, but not all.
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2013 22:08:17 GMT -5
I know every team has a night off, but the offense has been in a long slump. If the red sox can only score one run off Mark Buerhle, then they will REALLY struggle come play-off time and they would have to face pitchers like Scherzer, Verlander, Colon, Kershaw, etc. The point is, if the Red sox can't handle weak pitching, they will have NO chance against quality pitching. The offense needs to pick it up, and fast. Well, this has been my thought for a while. If Papi were removed from this team......nuff said. The series against the Yankees could tell us (and them) a lot. Should they sweep us, they will be hard in the wild card. With Kuroda and Nova (both of whom are better than our No.1) we, and other teams, could be in trouble in the playoffs. Tonight was more bad sequencing than bad hitting. The Red Sox got ten hits and two walks off a mediocre pitcher, which should have been more than enough to win the game. But they couldn't get that key hit to bring runners in (2-11 with RISP, including 0-3 for Ellsbury). It was frustrating more because every game counts and they should have won tonight and less because it demonstrated how weak the offense was. On the bright side, Peavy was cruising until the 7th against a pretty good Blue Jays offense. If he continues to pitch like he did tonight, the Red Sox are going to win more often than not.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 15, 2013 22:27:40 GMT -5
You guys are nit picking with my post about the "crappy teams." The astros and jays are last place teams and the royals were in 3rd place most of the season.
The combined winning % of the royals, astros and jays is nothing to sneeze at and we went .400. Our schedule only gets tougher from here on out. Thats really frustrating and is my point. Just looking at the schedule its hard to see how we hold on.
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Post by atzar on Aug 15, 2013 23:57:36 GMT -5
What a frustrating game. Nobody you can really blame either. Peavy pitched well, offense got hits and created hard contact all night. Just couldn't shove anybody across the plate.
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Post by godot on Aug 16, 2013 0:05:43 GMT -5
"When the roster expands the Sox will be in a rock fight for a playoff spot. You want to trust that to AAA talent? If they had split with KC and won this series they'd be up 6 games and maybe you could think a little about resting guys come Sept 1. Not now." Guidas the Guide
Huh, so play them to the bone when you can take them out earlier or even rest a few games? Look, they did not win those games. Can't changes that, but hell, why not play say Bradley a few games or have him replace Ellsbury or Shane if there is a blow out. Are you Don Zimmer's son?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 16, 2013 1:23:17 GMT -5
**** Are you Don Zimmer's son? ****
Please, please never accuse any one, nor manager of being as inept as Don Zimmer was. Any manager who couldn't win at least **1** pennant with the extreme that buffoon had must have had a steel plate in his head (Zim did)and the worst ownership, combined with clueless GM in memory led by Haywood Sullivan.
**7** AS one season, a rotation of Dennis Eckersley, El Tiante, Mike Torrez and Bill Lee in 1978. AS caliber 1-9 even and 1977 team only a shade less, yet here was Zim-less holding back a certain SP 2.. Sometimes 3 days so they could start against a certain team.. During the '77 season, throwing Campbell out on the mound, even after he had let the team know he was hurting for multiple injuries and blew his arm out, one of the best in the game.
Moron is too much praise for Zimmer. Please don't accuse anyone of being like that bungling idiot.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 16, 2013 4:43:53 GMT -5
You guys are nit picking with my post about the "crappy teams." The astros and jays are last place teams and the royals were in 3rd place most of the season. The combined winning % of the royals, astros and jays is nothing to sneeze at and we went .400. Our schedule only gets tougher from here on out. Thats really frustrating and is my point. Just looking at the schedule its hard to see how we hold on. Yes, but again, look at it the other way: The Sox went 4-6 on this half of the tough travel schedule and lost no ground. I think the real concern is not the Sox's position, but rather, that the team has been overachieving for 4 1/2 months and, as you imply, may simply fade down the stretch. Cf. 1974. At this point I can't see Buchholz being much use for the rest of the regular season, anyway. He hasn't thrown with any seriousness off a mound yet, has he? Even after he gets back to full bullpens, he has to stretch himself back out, get a few rehab starts in (that's 2 weeks in itself), then maybe we see him in Boston again and truly, who knows what kind of pitcher will show up? What if he can't give much more than 5 innings at first? He becomes part of the problem overworking the bullpen, not part of the solution.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 16, 2013 6:50:53 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 16, 2013 7:06:44 GMT -5
One of the worst non-walkoff losses of the year. One run against Buehrle? I do not have a good feeling about this weekend. Why? Despite that he's having either the worst or second-worst season of his career, Buehrle has been better than two of the three pitchers the Red Sox will face this weekend.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 16, 2013 7:52:40 GMT -5
"When the roster expands the Sox will be in a rock fight for a playoff spot. You want to trust that to AAA talent? If they had split with KC and won this series they'd be up 6 games and maybe you could think a little about resting guys come Sept 1. Not now." Guidas the Guide Huh, so play them to the bone when you can take them out earlier or even rest a few games? Look, they did not win those games. Can't changes that, but hell, why not play say Bradley a few games or have him replace Ellsbury or Shane if there is a blow out. Are you Don Zimmer's son? That was not what I inferred from your earlier post, nor what I thought you were implying. I thought you were saying rosters expand so let's rest some of these guys, presumably by starting some of the AAA players. btw, not been many blow-outs lately. Since Aug 1: 8-7 6-7 5-2 4-0 0-2 15-10 1-5 6-9 5-3 3-4 4-2 3-4 1-2
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