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8/30-9/1 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 30, 2013 22:31:15 GMT -5
He's the first sox player I really rooted for after they left the sox in a long time. I think it goes back to Fisk. Really? What about guys like Nixon, Kapler, Pedro, Lowrie, Masterson, etc? I'm a real homer, mostly ignore guys once they leave, But you did stir my memory, I root for Masterson. I also rooted for Reggie Smith and George Scott. Probably more , Iggy is the first guy I've watched most every game after they left. Of course that option has only been available the last 10 plus years or so.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 30, 2013 22:41:51 GMT -5
I know you guys know it already, but Uehara is just so good.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 30, 2013 22:55:08 GMT -5
3-1 Oakland, Kurt Suzuki just hit a 3 run bomb
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 31, 2013 5:01:05 GMT -5
3-1 Oakland, Kurt Suzuki just hit a 3 run bomb Apparently, I'm the only person here who stays up to follow these games*, including the deliciousness of the Rays coming back to tie it in the 8th, and then the A's regaining the lead in the bottom of the frame, on a Coco Crisp single and Jed Lowrie double. And holding on to win. Rays win probability went from 9.6% to 68.6% when they had men on 2nd and 3rd with one out after tying it, but Jennings and Johnson fanned. I was disappointed that Bogaerts started against the LHP with the big platoon split, though. LHB went 2/9, BB against Santiago. RHP went 3/7, 2B, 4 BB, HBP; your standard 800-point OPS split. Starting Drew was just ceding offense that was there for the taking. *In case anyone has noticed my bizarre posting times, yeah, I periodically go for a week or two sleeping from about 2:00 to 7:00 ... PM. In fact, I'd probably do that all the time if I didn't force myself to stay up (after which the schedule gradually slips back around to being upside down again). You don't want to know how weird this can be, trust me.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 31, 2013 5:40:22 GMT -5
It seems that Farrell doesn't want to take any chances with the lineup while in the midst of a pennant race. There have been several opportunities where playing Bogaerts seemed to be the better option but he is very young and keeping the pressure off him for a while might also be advised. I agree regarding the numbers but I think being prudent with this kid also has merit. It was an opportunity lost to a degree but we did still win. Santiago looked like a guy Bogaerts could have hit. It would have been nice if Bogaerts could have run into one and gotten his first HR out of the way but Santiago could also have nibbled so much that Bogaerts could have been overanxious and helped him out.
The hype is strong with this kid. Too strong IMO. He's got to be anxious. Overall it is safer to ease him into this. People are putting him in savior mode and that is not good. Farrell is basically saying, "look kid, someday you are going to be great but we are not EXPECTING that right now...just give it your best". That approach is exactly what this kid needs probably at this moment in time.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 31, 2013 7:13:03 GMT -5
He's the first sox player I really rooted for after they left the sox in a long time. I think it goes back to Fisk. Really? What about guys like Nixon, Kapler, Pedro, Lowrie, Masterson, etc? I dunno, there's something different about Iglesias ... I mean, I liked Kapler well enough, but I didn't pay much attention to him. Really, same for the rest of them, even Pedro because he was on the downslope of his career (and I wasn't a fan of Nixon, anyway). But Iglesias ... there's just a pure esthetic appreciation for his defense. It's a completely overused term, but I mean it literally: the guy's an artist. Not to wax too poetic about it all, but look at the play I linked to earlier. It wasn't just the great diving stop. It wasn't even that plus the quick throw to second. It was the way it all happened instantly, with no wasted motion and completely in control. Look at how he positioned himself to throw the ball. He wasn't falling over or desperately throwing the ball from his stomach; he was totally in control in a throwing position that I'd never even think of for myself if I was lying on the ground with the ball. It really has nothing to do with runs saved or zone rating ... the guy's just great to watch in a way few ballplayers ever are. edit to add: man, I just went back and watched that play again; on the replay, y'all really should pay attention to the way he rolls into throwing position, starting the roll before he even hits the ground. Astonishing body control *and* instantaneous thinking.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 31, 2013 8:12:39 GMT -5
3-1 Oakland, Kurt Suzuki just hit a 3 run bomb Apparently, I'm the only person here who stays up to follow these games*, including the deliciousness of the Rays coming back to tie it in the 8th, and then the A's regaining the lead in the bottom of the frame, on a Coco Crisp single and Jed Lowrie double. And holding on to win. Rays win probability went from 9.6% to 68.6% when they had men on 2nd and 3rd with one out after tying it, but Jennings and Johnson fanned. I was disappointed that Bogaerts started against the LHP with the big platoon split, though. LHB went 2/9, BB against Santiago. RHP went 3/7, 2B, 4 BB, HBP; your standard 800-point OPS split. Starting Drew was just ceding offense that was there for the taking. *In case anyone has noticed my bizarre posting times, yeah, I periodically go for a week or two sleeping from about 2:00 to 7:00 ... PM. In fact, I'd probably do that all the time if I didn't force myself to stay up (after which the schedule gradually slips back around to being upside down again). You don't want to know how weird this can be, trust me. Oh I stayed up for it as well. Its just no one responded to my post so I didn't feel the need to double post. As far as Bogaerts is concerned... why the hell did they bring him up to sit him on the bench and not play him against lefties? Drew is absolutely awful against lefties.
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Post by dd on Aug 31, 2013 9:57:10 GMT -5
Sox haven't give up more than 3 runs in a game since 8/18.
That should pretty well jinx us for tonight.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Aug 31, 2013 10:20:30 GMT -5
Bogaerts lost about two weeks worth of AAA AB's at this point so. . . I don't think it will destroy his development path.
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Post by jdb on Aug 31, 2013 10:41:48 GMT -5
He had a full season of ABs and I think your right. One could argue learning how to play at the big league level from guys like Pedroia and the amount of balls Butterfield is making him take is as good or better for him.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 31, 2013 10:57:00 GMT -5
Bogaerts lost about two weeks worth of AAA AB's at this point so. . . I don't think it will destroy his development path. Still, absolutely pointless to bring someone up and not play them.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Aug 31, 2013 11:47:10 GMT -5
I'm sure the paid professionals with a lifetime of baseball experience had a point behind bringing him up.
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Post by jmei on Aug 31, 2013 12:01:57 GMT -5
Bogaerts lost about two weeks worth of AAA AB's at this point so. . . I don't think it will destroy his development path. Still, absolutely pointless to bring someone up and not play them. Not necessarily true. A couple extra weeks of getting used to the major league routine (scouting reports, video room, etc.) might come in handy when the playoffs roll around.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 31, 2013 12:21:02 GMT -5
Still, absolutely pointless to bring someone up and not play them. Not necessarily true. A couple extra weeks of getting used to the major league routine (scouting reports, video room, etc.) might come in handy when the playoffs roll around. Word. Bogie is in the majors to get him acclimated and some AB's here and there. No need to throw him in the fire, especially after the JBJ fiasco.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 31, 2013 12:30:00 GMT -5
What JBJ fiasco? That he couldn't hit for two weeks? It has never happen before.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 31, 2013 13:07:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I was actually just about to point out the benefit of coming up and getting used to the major leagues ... but I don't think it's primarily about this year at all, even the playoffs. I think the Sox have made the decision that Bogaerts is ready and is likely to be the starting shortstop right out of spring training next year. This is just seasoning so he's ready to carry the load next year. Because it sure as hell seems obvious he's not there for the boost he brings this year.
While I appreciate and agree with the idea that stability is intrinsically valuable in baseball (something that Farrell seems to believe in fairly strongly), still think Bogaerts should play on a night like last night. But I suspect the only way he's going to play consistently is at the expense of WMB, not Drew, if Farrell gives up on WMB.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 31, 2013 13:59:15 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 39s #RedSox: Ellsbury CF, Victorino RF, Pedroia 2B, Ortiz DH, Napoli 1B, Gomes LF, Middlebrooks 3B, Ross C, Bogaerts SS + Peavy
Bogaerts will only start behind Peavy. It's a fact.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 31, 2013 14:01:33 GMT -5
So much for Farrell and reverse splits.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 31, 2013 14:38:53 GMT -5
Xander will go 0/3 showing that he's clearly not ready and that the people bitching about his playing time are stupid.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 31, 2013 14:52:35 GMT -5
Not necessarily true. A couple extra weeks of getting used to the major league routine (scouting reports, video room, etc.) might come in handy when the playoffs roll around. Word. Bogie is in the majors to get him acclimated and some AB's here and there. No need to throw him in the fire, especially after the JBJ fiasco. Isn't that what September is for? Instead of missing out on weeks of at bats in Pawtucket, he couldve come up in September after their season ended anyway. Farrell's quote "I'm not going to turn away from Stephen Drew" is one of the dumbest things ive heard him say.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 31, 2013 14:53:53 GMT -5
That's possibly their best lineup against a LH like Danks. I like it.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 31, 2013 14:59:16 GMT -5
Xander will go 0/3 showing that he's clearly not ready and that the people bitching about his playing time are stupid. Yeah! small sample size! Lets throw out the window Drew hitting under .200 against lefties and the fact that not playing bogaerts regularly could throw him out of rhythm.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 31, 2013 15:13:06 GMT -5
Xander will go 0/3 showing that he's clearly not ready and that the people bitching about his playing time are stupid. Yeah! small sample size! Lets throw out the window Drew hitting under .200 against lefties and the fact that not playing bogaerts regularly could throw him out of rhythm. In retrospect, maybe he should have used italics. I thought his sarcasm was obvious, though.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 31, 2013 15:14:52 GMT -5
Yeah! small sample size! Lets throw out the window Drew hitting under .200 against lefties and the fact that not playing bogaerts regularly could throw him out of rhythm. In retrospect, maybe he should have used italics. I thought his sarcasm was obvious, though. You never know with the Drew lovers on this board. I haven't seen that type of love for a 1 year rental player that is clearly just here for the money in a long time.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 31, 2013 15:24:34 GMT -5
In retrospect, maybe he should have used italics. I thought his sarcasm was obvious, though. You never know with the Drew lovers on this board. I haven't seen that type of love for a 1 year rental player that is clearly just here for the money in a long time. Not sure why you hate Drew so much. He's been solid for the Sox, especially since the all-star break. Just here for the money, are freaking serious? Who isn't? Maybe Pedey, although he did get paid handsomely. Drew simply opted for a 1-yr deal for more money to establish the fact he's healthy and worthy of longer term deal. Same thing Beltre did here. And others have done elsewhere.
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