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8/30-9/1 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 1, 2013 18:32:57 GMT -5
Do the th Red Sox have a west coast swing in their schedule? This one is really hurting the Rays to the point they are closer to missing the playoffs than winning the division. I think COL is it? Yep. With off days before and after. 3 vs. DET 4 @ MFY (off day) 3 @ TB 3 vs. MFY (off day) 3 vs. BAL 3 vs. TOR (off day) 2 @ COL (off day) 3 @ BAL
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 1, 2013 18:57:16 GMT -5
And starting with the go-ahead run in the bottom of the 8th of game one of the series, 10 of the 15 total R & RBI by the A's were recorded by Crisp, Lowrie, or Moss.
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 1, 2013 19:12:25 GMT -5
According to mlb.com the Sox have an 82.6% chance of winning the division and 98.3% chance of making the postseason.
Of course, I think we has similar probabilities in the infamous Sept of 2011
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 1, 2013 19:16:49 GMT -5
Since June 10: 37 IP, 11 H, 2 R (1 ER), 3 BB, 49 SO. Opponents .091 / .113 / .140. Since August 10, 9 IP, 1 H (2B to Overbay), 0 BB, 9 SO. Now retired 18 straight batters. Quoted just because these numbers deserve to be posted twice ... Koji's not getting nearly enough attention baseball-wide. He's having an absolutely incredible season.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 1, 2013 19:48:19 GMT -5
This is one of the best runs ever by a closer and yes I know who big Mo is. Rivera once had a 28-game scoreless streak (7/22 to 10/2/99), but he was a lot less dominant than Koji has been: 30.2 IP, 14 H, 5 BB, HBP, 28 SO. That was the only time he had back-to-back months of 0.00 ERA, as Uehara has done in July and August. When Brandon Snyder threw away the game-ending force-out in Anaheim on July 6, it not only hung a blown save on Uehara and an eventual loss on the team, the unearned run that scored knocked 4 games off of what would now be a 25-game scoreless streak.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 1, 2013 20:11:11 GMT -5
[quote author=" ericmvan" source="/post/43323/thread" timestamp="1378076929" Since August 10, 9 IP, 1 H (2B to Overbay), 0 BB, 9 SO. Now retired 18 straight batters.[/quote] Hidden perfect game watch...
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 1, 2013 20:37:00 GMT -5
This division race is over. O-V-A-H! There, I said it. Sox pitching is too good to collapse. I'd be shocked if we played worse than .500 to finish the season. If we go 12-12, that's 94 wins and a division title. Wouldn't mind getting the top seed. Would love to get a 5 game series against the wild-card team who uses their ace in the get-in game.
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 1, 2013 21:02:57 GMT -5
This is one of the best runs ever by a closer and yes I know who big Mo is. Rivera once had a 28-game scoreless streak (7/22 to 10/2/99), but he was a lot less dominant than Koji has been: 30.2 IP, 14 H, 5 BB, HBP, 28 SO. That was the only time he had back-to-back months of 0.00 ERA, as Uehara has done in July and August. When Brandon Snyder threw away the game-ending force-out in Anaheim on July 6, it not only hung a blown save on Uehara and an eventual loss on the team, the unearned run that scored knocked 4 games off of what would now be a 25-game scoreless streak. People forget what Gagne was when he was with the Dodgers.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 1, 2013 21:14:36 GMT -5
According to mlb.com the Sox have an 82.6% chance of winning the division and 98.3% chance of making the postseason. Of course, I think we has similar probabilities in the infamous Sept of 2011 Never, ever count them chickens.. Boston had leads heading into September virtually every seaon throughout the 70's, but made it to the PO 1 time... Long time Sox fans have learned to juuuussst wait. The poster above commenting on the Rays? It was a joy watching Rays announcer deWayne Staats choking up from the 7th inning on, commenting that "who would have believed that *THIS TEAM* (Oakland) could have swept the Rays?" Like the Athletics aren't at least as good as his Rays are. HAHA. That homer announcer never gives any team a break and whines when everything doesn't go the Rays way, was outstanding watching the tail game of a sweep go against them like that.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 1, 2013 21:15:05 GMT -5
People forget what Gagne was when he was with the Dodgers. Not to take anything away from Uehara, but you can find a lot of ridiculous streaks among modern relievers. For instance Craig Kimbrel has given up one run since May 8th.
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 1, 2013 21:25:27 GMT -5
According to mlb.com the Sox have an 82.6% chance of winning the division and 98.3% chance of making the postseason. Of course, I think we has similar probabilities in the infamous Sept of 2011 Never, ever count them chickens.. Boston had leads heading into September virtually every seaon throughout the 70's, but made it to the PO 1 time... Long time Sox fans have learned to juuuussst wait. The poster above commenting on the Rays? It was a joy watching Rays announcer deWayne Staats choking up from the 7th inning on, commenting that "who would have believed that *THIS TEAM* (Oakland) could have swept the Rays?" Like the Athletics aren't at least as good as his Rays are. HAHA. That homer announcer never gives any team a break and whines when everything doesn't go the Rays way, was outstanding watching the tail game of a sweep go against them like that. Something I found out within the last five years or so is that champagne was actually in the Boston locker room during the game six of the 86 series and they had to get it the hell out of there after the Mets tied it up.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 1, 2013 21:36:22 GMT -5
The poster above commenting on the Rays? It was a joy watching Rays announcer deWayne Staats choking up from the 7th inning on, commenting that "who would have believed that *THIS TEAM* (Oakland) could have swept the Rays?" Like the Athletics aren't at least as good as his Rays are. HAHA. That homer announcer never gives any team a break and whines when everything doesn't go the Rays way, was outstanding watching the tail game of a sweep go against them like that. Uhhh... how about anyone who's even remotely familiar with the game of baseball? Seriously, he really said that? I mean I've heard a lot of dumb stuff in my day, but wow...
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Post by jchang on Sept 1, 2013 22:03:02 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind is that with the Rays mini-slump, this makes the second wild-card slot open, including two teams that could have been effectively out of it, MFY and Os, both of whom now will have something to play for. And we play both of them twice.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 1, 2013 22:19:54 GMT -5
People forget what Gagne was when he was with the Dodgers. Not to take anything away from Uehara, but you can find a lot of ridiculous streaks among modern relievers. For instance Craig Kimbrel has given up one run since May 8th. Not to take anything away from modern relievers, but Kimbrel is an absolutely ridiculous pitcher. I don't even have a point, I just love watching that dude pitch.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 1, 2013 23:25:01 GMT -5
This division race is over. O-V-A-H! There, I said it. Sox pitching is too good to collapse. I'd be shocked if we played worse than .500 to finish the season. If we go 12-12, that's 94 wins and a division title. Wouldn't mind getting the top seed. Would love to get a 5 game series against the wild-card team who uses their ace in the get-in game. I want to believe this very much but still 3 with Det, 4 in the Bronx and 3 in the Trop over next 11 days. Go 6-10 or better in that stretch and I think the division would be as close to a lock as it could be with 14 to go. Still too much unpredictability, though. Remember, just 2 weeks ago they lost 2-3 to Toronto and 2-3 to MFYs. No one is rolling over. Not evn the ChiSox who could've easily won today or Fri. This all feels great, but not until they're 5 up with 4 to play will the words "locked up" be anything more that hopeful speculation.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 1, 2013 23:33:32 GMT -5
The poster above commenting on the Rays? It was a joy watching Rays announcer deWayne Staats choking up from the 7th inning on, commenting that "who would have believed that *THIS TEAM* (Oakland) could have swept the Rays?" Like the Athletics aren't at least as good as his Rays are. HAHA. That homer announcer never gives any team a break and whines when everything doesn't go the Rays way, was outstanding watching the tail game of a sweep go against them like that. Uhhh... how about anyone who's even remotely familiar with the game of baseball? Seriously, he really said that? I mean I've heard a lot of dumb stuff in my day, but wow... Those exact words. Why I always hammer him as the worst announcer in the game, hands down. Another annoying habit of his? After the post game show, like before they leave the field when they lose? WITHOUT FAIL, his speech will be "We hope you enjoyed the broadcast, though not the final score and good night/afternoon" I live within the blackout restrictions of the TB area.. When Boston plays the Rays? It's watch them on mlb.com with his voice on? or mostly turned off. The guy is unbearable. The ONLY time he could be tolerated was 3 years ago when ex Sox manager Kevin Kennedy did home games only with him and would actually ridicule Staats when he said something dumb, those times were priceless, probably why he only stayed 1 year. The Rays color commentator from last year? Joe Magraine? He got busted for DUI, he was just as bad in March and somehow managed to land a job with mlb doing some games, but many of you have probably noticed he ain't very good either. He's a lapdog.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 2, 2013 0:28:31 GMT -5
It's great to see Will Myers come back to earth. He was presenting a problem. You've got to admit, the Rays were pushing us. And still might push us going forward. It does feel great to have a 5.5 game lead though. It it gets too much more I lose interest. I like it right where it is.
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Post by klostrophobic on Sept 2, 2013 0:59:52 GMT -5
RE: playing Bogaerts against all lefties.
Does anyone else feel as though pigeonholing young players into platoon roles potentially diminishes their ability to be productive against both righties and lefties? If you call Bogaerts up and he gets 80% of his at-bats against lefties, are you not hurting his development in learning to hit against righties at the MLB level? It's probably somewhat negligible but something worth considering. If you call up Bogaerts and tell him, "Yo, you're gonna play against all the lefties," he's going to go into these games developing an approach that works against lefties and then he's going to go into his Rookie of the Year campaign next year and get 70% of his atbats against righties.
Pigeonhole guys like Brock Holt if you want but not a guy like Bogaerts. I think the utility role of bouncing around SS/3B and disregarding the handedness of the starting pitcher is the way to go with young players like Bogaerts, especially as it seems to agitate people like Tony Massarotti and dcsoxfan, which is something a billion dollar franchise should be caring about.
Just think, it's game 5 of the world series and Bogaerts is up against Kimbrel. He needs these righty at-bats to prepare for that.
One.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 2, 2013 1:14:41 GMT -5
RE: playing Bogaerts against all lefties. Does anyone else feel as though pigeonholing young players into platoon roles potentially diminishes their ability to be productive against both righties and lefties? If you call Bogaerts up and he gets 80% of his at-bats against lefties, are you not hurting his development in learning to hit against righties at the MLB level? It's probably somewhat negligible but something worth considering. If you call up Bogaerts and tell him, "Yo, you're gonna play against all the lefties," he's going to go into these games developing an approach that works against lefties and then he's going to go into his Rookie of the Year campaign next year and get 70% of his atbats against righties. Pigeonhole guys like Brock Holt if you want but not a guy like Bogaerts. I think the utility role of bouncing around SS/3B and disregarding the handedness of the starting pitcher is the way to go with young players like Bogaerts, especially as it seems to agitate people like Tony Massarotti and dcsoxfan, which is something a billion dollar franchise should be caring about. Just think, it's game 5 of the world series and Bogaerts is up against Kimbrel. He needs these righty at-bats to prepare for that. One. Different managers, different veterans already playing the position in question will react differently. That simple. There is no simple explanation, or "book" on inserting a highly touted rookie into a lineup, it even changes with teams involved in playoff hunt and those not. Boston has pretty much stayed in the conservative category and either platooned, or made sure the players were ready. Rarely will you see (looking ahead to next year) 2 rookies in the lineup at once, like JBJ and Boagaerta that is likely to happen. Managers that react more on instinct? Like Joe Maddon, Billy Martin, Earl Weaver, Leo Durocher? Definitely. They are/were fearless and cared more about results and went with results and less about what critics would say if things went wrong. The game needs more of that type also and is why Maddon is priceless and he wins with so little talent in Tampa.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 2, 2013 6:26:00 GMT -5
It's great to see Will Myers come back to earth. He was presenting a problem. You've got to admit, the Rays were pushing us. And still might push us going forward. It does feel great to have a 5.5 game lead though. It it gets too much more I lose interest. I like it right where it is. We're up 5 1/2.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 2, 2013 8:36:05 GMT -5
RE: playing Bogaerts against all lefties. Does anyone else feel as though pigeonholing young players into platoon roles potentially diminishes their ability to be productive against both righties and lefties? If you call Bogaerts up and he gets 80% of his at-bats against lefties, are you not hurting his development in learning to hit against righties at the MLB level? It's probably somewhat negligible but something worth considering. If you call up Bogaerts and tell him, "Yo, you're gonna play against all the lefties," he's going to go into these games developing an approach that works against lefties and then he's going to go into his Rookie of the Year campaign next year and get 70% of his atbats against righties. Pigeonhole guys like Brock Holt if you want but not a guy like Bogaerts. I think the utility role of bouncing around SS/3B and disregarding the handedness of the starting pitcher is the way to go with young players like Bogaerts, especially as it seems to agitate people like Tony Massarotti and dcsoxfan, which is something a billion dollar franchise should be caring about. Just think, it's game 5 of the world series and Bogaerts is up against Kimbrel. He needs these righty at-bats to prepare for that. One. Glad to see so many people disagree with me on such a widely established baseball concept that is well supported all over baseball. We don't need to beat a dead horse anymore but I have no clue why this opinion angered so many people. I'll leave it at that. Have a good one guys.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 2, 2013 9:25:23 GMT -5
RE: playing Bogaerts against all lefties. Does anyone else feel as though pigeonholing young players into platoon roles potentially diminishes their ability to be productive against both righties and lefties? If you call Bogaerts up and he gets 80% of his at-bats against lefties, are you not hurting his development in learning to hit against righties at the MLB level? It's probably somewhat negligible but something worth considering. If you call up Bogaerts and tell him, "Yo, you're gonna play against all the lefties," he's going to go into these games developing an approach that works against lefties and then he's going to go into his Rookie of the Year campaign next year and get 70% of his atbats against righties. Pigeonhole guys like Brock Holt if you want but not a guy like Bogaerts. I think the utility role of bouncing around SS/3B and disregarding the handedness of the starting pitcher is the way to go with young players like Bogaerts, especially as it seems to agitate people like Tony Massarotti and dcsoxfan, which is something a billion dollar franchise should be caring about. Just think, it's game 5 of the world series and Bogaerts is up against Kimbrel. He needs these righty at-bats to prepare for that. One. Different managers, different veterans already playing the position in question will react differently. That simple. There is no simple explanation, or "book" on inserting a highly touted rookie into a lineup, it even changes with teams involved in playoff hunt and those not. Boston has pretty much stayed in the conservative category and either platooned, or made sure the players were ready. Rarely will you see (looking ahead to next year) 2 rookies in the lineup at once, like JBJ and Boagaerta that is likely to happen. Managers that react more on instinct? Like Joe Maddon, Billy Martin, Earl Weaver, Leo Durocher? Definitely. They are/were fearless and cared more about results and went with results and less about what critics would say if things went wrong. The game needs more of that type also and is why Maddon is priceless and he wins with so little talent in Tampa. I disagree that Maddon wins with little talent. That TB roster is very talented. Longoria Myers and Zobrist are great players. That rotation is loaded. The success of the Rays has coninciended not only with the arrival of Maddon, but also with talented rosters.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 2, 2013 20:35:50 GMT -5
Joe Maddon is an asshole and an overrated manager. I can't even begin to think how often would this board flip out with the stupid stuff he pulls out nearly every night.
Plus, I like how low key Farrell is, as opposed to Maddon who tries to be a star as hard as he can.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 2, 2013 21:18:31 GMT -5
Joe Maddon is an asshole and an overrated manager. I can't even begin to think how often would this board flip out with the stupid stuff he pulls out nearly every night. Plus, I like how low key Farrell is, as opposed to Maddon who tries to be a star as hard as he can. Part of the personality that doesn't care if they get hammered, though I agree the attitude is annoying. Shame you probably don't remember "Leo the Lip" Durocher especially, or Weaver, Martin also. Those guys talked tons more than Maddon does and no instant on internet back then. The fact that they didn't care if those same media personalities would crucify them, even the owner in Marin's case on a daily basis is what made them so good. Let me give you an example on Martin.. This was.. 77? 78? Yanks anyway, His team was in a horrid slump, not hitting, so he got the 9 guys who were going to start, but no order.. Put numbers on pieces of paper and had them draw them out of a hat to see where they would hit and told the press about it.. The guy just didn't care.
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