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Baseball America Organizations Top 10 Prospects
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Post by taftreign on Nov 13, 2013 22:14:49 GMT -5
Pirates
1. Gregory Polanco, OF 2. Jameson Taillon, RHP 3. Tyler Glasnow, RHP 4. Austin Meadows, OF 5. Nick Kingham, RHP 6. Alen Hanson, SS 7. Josh Bell, OF 8. Reese McGuire, C 9. Harold Ramirez, OF 10. Luis Heredia, RHP
25 and Under, Cole, RHP #1, Marte, OF #3
Wow!!
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Post by taftreign on Nov 13, 2013 22:18:26 GMT -5
Cardinals
1. Oscar Taveras, OF 2. Carlos Martinez, RHP 3. Kolten Wong, 2B 4. Stephen Piscotty, OF 5. Marco Gonzales, LHP 6. Tim Cooney, LHP 7. Alex Reyes, RHP 8. James Ramsey, OF 9. Rob Kaminsky, LHP 10. Carson Kelly 3B/C
25 and Under, Wacha, RHP #1, Shelby Miller, RHP #3, Rosenthal, RHP #4, Adams 1B, #7, Joe Kelly, RHP #12, Siegrist, LHP #15 knocking Kelly off the list
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Post by taftreign on Nov 13, 2013 22:22:19 GMT -5
From a division perspective the NL Central (Chi Cubs, Pittsburgh, St Louis) is in a close contest with the AL West (Houston, Oakland, Seattle, Texas) for minor league systems and young talent. Should be some amazing battles over the next decade in this division with all the talent in the pipeline.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 13, 2013 23:18:42 GMT -5
Brewers 1. Jimmy Nelson, RHP 2. Tyrone Taylor, OF 3. Mitch Haniger, OF 4. Johnny Hellweg, RHP 5. Victor Roache, OF 6. Taylor Jungmann, RHP 7. Orlando Arcia, SS 8. David Goforth, RHP 9. Devin Williams, RHP 10. Hunter Morris, 1B 25 and under, Segura, SS #1, Wily Peralta, RHP #2, Scooter Gennett, 2B #4, Tyler Thornburg, RHP #5 Good god, that is an abysmal system. If Nelson was in the Red Sox system, where would he rank? I'd have him either 11th or 12th, dead even with Workman.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 14, 2013 0:04:47 GMT -5
Pirates 1. Gregory Polanco, OF 2. Jameson Taillon, RHP 3. Tyler Glasnow, RHP 4. Austin Meadows, OF 5. Nick Kingham, RHP 6. Alen Hanson, SS 7. Josh Bell, OF 8. Reese McGuire, C 9. Harold Ramirez, OF 10. Luis Heredia, RHP 25 and Under, Cole, RHP #1, Marte, OF #3 Wow!! Yikes, this system is loaded.
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Post by taftreign on Nov 14, 2013 0:21:09 GMT -5
Brewers 1. Jimmy Nelson, RHP 2. Tyrone Taylor, OF 3. Mitch Haniger, OF 4. Johnny Hellweg, RHP 5. Victor Roache, OF 6. Taylor Jungmann, RHP 7. Orlando Arcia, SS 8. David Goforth, RHP 9. Devin Williams, RHP 10. Hunter Morris, 1B 25 and under, Segura, SS #1, Wily Peralta, RHP #2, Scooter Gennett, 2B #4, Tyler Thornburg, RHP #5 Good god, that is an abysmal system. If Nelson was in the Red Sox system, where would he rank? I'd have him either 11th or 12th, dead even with Workman. Milwaukee needs to be proactive sellers. They essentially have enough pieces to convince themselves they can be a playoff team if they are able to fill a few key spots. Finishing middle of the pack over the next few seasons however is the worst case scenario for Brewer fans. All the more reason why Milwaukee should consider selectively trading a few of its pieces now as I believe they could accelerate a turnaround in a few short years. For instance trading soon to be expiring contracts such as Aramis Ramirez, Kyle Lohse (through 2015) and Yovanni Gallardo. Giving Braun the year to rebuild his value would present an opportunity to potentially add a few impact prospects come this summer or next off season by sending him to a contender in need of a bat. The front office should consider moving a very affordable yet not so young Aoki (age 32). Everyone should be available for the right price but this is a team that could keep Gomez, Segura and Lucroy who are on the under side of 30 and on cost effective deals to stay strong up the middle and build around. Without picking up the options on Ramirez, Weeks, and Gallardo and trading Braun and Lohse the team would be sitting with a payroll around 40 mil next off season. In the mean time if they wish to try to "compete" versus allowing themselves to be "bad" for a few seasons to improve the draft picks they could opt to try and sign the talent that does not require draft pick compensation such as a Garza, Tanaka, Hughes etc. Worst case is the team can flip these players for more prospects later. The team will be quite able to enter the free agent market at any time with a large sum of money to spend and hopefully a mostly stocked farm system. Just my take on how I would proceed as Milwaukees front office.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 17, 2013 23:14:51 GMT -5
Just a reminder to all to please post links. Thanks!
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Post by taftreign on Nov 18, 2013 0:11:59 GMT -5
I don't have links immediately because they are pulled from the Baseball America "magazine." They are generally not available on the web page until a few days after. I however can either continue listing the Baseball America issue # as I did the first time or edit in links as they become available. Whichever is your preference.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 18, 2013 5:06:06 GMT -5
I don't have links immediately because they are pulled from the Baseball America "magazine." They are generally not available on the web page until a few days after. I however can either continue listing the Baseball America issue # as I did the first time or edit in links as they become available. Whichever is your preference. As long as it's just the list, it's fine.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2013 23:20:49 GMT -5
SINCE NOTHING ELSE IS GOING ON, LET'S DO MORE OF THESE Rockies www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-colorado-rockies-top-10-prospects/1. Jonathan Gray, rhp 2. Eddie Butler, rhp 3. Rosell Herrera, ss 4. Kyle Parker, 1b/of 5. Chad Bettis, rhp 6. David Dahl, of 7. Tom Murphy, c 8. Ryan McMahon, 3b 9. Trevor Story, ss 10. Raimel Tapia, of Holy crap the Rockies have a couple pitching guys! U25 list follows Butler with Arenado-Chatwood-Rosario, and McMahon is followed by Rutledge-Pomeranz-Dickerson-LeMahieu
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2013 23:24:16 GMT -5
Dodgers www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-los-angeles-dodgers-top-10-prospects/(Yasiel Puig, of) 1. Joc Pederson, of 2. Corey Seager, ss 3. Julio Urias, lhp 4. Zach Lee, rhp (Paco Rodriguez, lhp) 5. Chris Anderson, rhp 6. Chris Withrow, rhp 7. Alexander Guerrero, 2b 8. Chris Reed, lhp 9. Onelki Garcia, lhp 10. Ross Stripling, rhp (Jose Dominguez, rhp Tom Windle, lhp Yimi Garcia, rhp Dee Gordon, ss) That's not a bad group at the top. Started putting U25 guys in in parentheses.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2013 23:27:32 GMT -5
Padres www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-san-diego-padres-top-10-prospects/1. Austin Hedges, c 2. Matt Wisler, rhp 3. Max Fried, lhp (Jedd Gyorko, 2B) Yasmani Grandal, C) 4. Hunter Renfroe, of 5. Casey Kelly, rhp 6. Rymer Liriano, of 7. Jace Peterson, ss 8. Burch Smith, rhp (Robbie Erlin, lhp) 9. Keyvius Sampson, rhp 10. Joe Ross, rhp (Cory Spangenberg, 2b) (Joe Wieland, rhp)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2013 23:30:23 GMT -5
Diamondbacks www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-arizona-diamondbacks-top-10-prospects/1. Archie Bradley, rhp (Pat Corbin, lhp Tyler Skaggs, lhp Adam Eaton, of) 2. Braden Shipley, rhp 3. Chris Owings, ss (Didi Gregorius, ss) 4. Matt Davidson, 3b 5. Aaron Blair, rhp 6. Jose Martinez, rhp (Randall Delgado, rhp) 7. Stryker Trahan, c 8. Matt Stites, rhp 9. Brandon Drury, 3b 10. Jake Lamb, 3b
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2013 23:32:47 GMT -5
Rounding out the NL West, the Giants www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-san-francisco-giants-top-10-prospects/(Madison Bumgarner, lhp Brandon Belt, 1B) 1. Kyle Crick, rhp 2. Edwin Escobar, lhp 3. Chris Stratton, rhp 4. Adalberto Mejia, lhp 5. Mac Williamson, of 6. Christian Arroyo, ss 7. Heath Hembree, rhp 8. Ty Blach, lhp 9. Joe Panik, 2b (Andrew Susac, c) - no idea why he's not ranked then... 10. Clayton Blackburn, rhp Kendry Flores, rhp
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Post by pedey on Dec 6, 2013 23:39:36 GMT -5
Baseball America has the Red Sox at number 1 for best farm system. It's not very common that a team who wins the World Series has the best farm system in baseball the same year. Not only are the Sox good now, but will be for years to come. Farm System Rankings
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Post by mainesox on Dec 6, 2013 23:41:30 GMT -5
Baseball America has the Red Sox at number 1 for best farm system. It's not very common that a team who wins the World Series has the best farm system in baseball the same year. Not only are the Sox good now, but will be for years to come. Farm System RankingsThis is pretty old at this point, and it's talking about the best major league ready talent, not the best system in general.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2013 23:41:40 GMT -5
Baseball America has the Red Sox at number 1 for best farm system. It's not very common that a team who wins the World Series has the best farm system in baseball the same year. Not only are the Sox good now, but will be for years to come. Farm System RankingsThis was discussed when it came out over a month ago. They did not rank them as having the best farm system if you read the article. They ranked them as having the best near-term value in the minors. Very different.
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Post by p23w on Dec 7, 2013 1:14:26 GMT -5
Two questions. Would Pimentel make the RS top 10? I noticed he was not on the Pirate top 10, which is probably the strongest top ten that I am aware of. Second, saw old friend Kelly at #5 for the Pads. Has he fully recovered from surgery and would you expect him to contribute to the parent club in 2014? TIA if you care to respond.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 7, 2013 4:35:17 GMT -5
Padres www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-san-diego-padres-top-10-prospects/1. Austin Hedges, c 2. Matt Wisler, rhp 3. Max Fried, lhp (Jedd Gyorko, 2B) Yasmani Grandal, C) 4. Hunter Renfroe, of 5. Casey Kelly, rhp 6. Rymer Liriano, of 7. Jace Peterson, ss 8. Burch Smith, rhp (Robbie Erlin, lhp) 9. Keyvius Sampson, rhp 10. Joe Ross, rhp (Cory Spangenberg, 2b) (Joe Wieland, rhp) I am probably missing something here but what happened to Reymond Fuentes ? He was in the mid-season top 100.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 7, 2013 7:43:05 GMT -5
Baseball America has the Red Sox at number 1 for best farm system. It's not very common that a team who wins the World Series has the best farm system in baseball the same year. Not only are the Sox good now, but will be for years to come. Farm System RankingsThis was discussed when it came out over a month ago. They did not rank them as having the best farm system if you read the article. They ranked them as having the best near-term value in the minors. Very different. I missed that discussion, but pretty sure you all were wrong on that interpretation … read it again. It says that the method they used to rank the farm systems gave more weight to near-term talent to reward systems for talent close to helping at the major league level, but that's not the only criterion. And the rank they give is for overall value of each farm system. Look at the blurb for the Sox: Why would they even mention Betts and Marrero if they were only talking about near-term value? Now, this isn't to say that Baseball America ranked the Sox system as #1 in the traditional way that's thrown around. This was just a quick-n-dirty ranking of systems based on the league prospect rankings in the minors, with extra weight given to a) higher levels; and b) premium positions. There's a ton of value in Xander, JBJ, and pitching in that method …
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Post by bjb406 on Dec 7, 2013 9:12:05 GMT -5
for one thing, the title of the article is "Top Farm Systems Poised To Deliver Near-Term Value", not 'farm system rankings'. Second, if they were going to rank the farm systems, then that method would make no sense for a number of reasons. For example, this system counts Yasiel Puig, and puts Buxton outside the top 10 prospects.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 7, 2013 10:26:08 GMT -5
That was the expressed point of the list was to see whose system was best positioned to give them value in the immediate future.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 7, 2013 12:28:20 GMT -5
I am probably missing something here but what happened to Reymond Fuentes ? He was in the mid-season top 100. Good question.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 7, 2013 13:11:34 GMT -5
Interesting and unsurprising that they have them so close. The conventional wisdom all winter has been that they would trade one. I've been thinking that the smart thing to do would be to keep them both, have them share time, and get a better read on who the keeper is. Then they deal the other at the deadline or next winter, when the market for SS can't be any worse. I think that's such a logical course of action that it's the sole reason I've claimed that Cliff Pennington, their incumbent backup SS, is available in trade. But folks seem to be buying that.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 8, 2013 7:28:03 GMT -5
for one thing, the title of the article is "Top Farm Systems Poised To Deliver Near-Term Value", not 'farm system rankings'. Second, if they were going to rank the farm systems, then that method would make no sense for a number of reasons. For example, this system counts Yasiel Puig, and puts Buxton outside the top 10 prospects. Nah, you guys are missing the point … you're thinking of this as a real BA ranking. All they are doing is taking the League Top Prospect rankings, assigning value to the rankings, and then adding up the value to see the farm system with the most OVERALL value within this model. But they are adding extra weight to the lists the higher you go in league on the very defensible assumption/philosophy that having the #1 prospect in the International League is more valuable than having the #1 Prospect in the NY-Penn League. You guys are confusing "rewarding systems for their near-term talent" with "judging exclusively by near-term talent." Look again at the methodology … here's the most relevant one: So, you get points for guys in NY-Penn league; it's just not nearly as much as AAA. A system with, say, two guys on lists in AAA and no one else would beat out a system with 4 guys in Low-A and one guy in short-season. But that second system would beat a system with just one guy in AAA even though they had NO talent close to the major leagues. This methodology is a little silly, imo, but it is what it is, and it's almost uniquely suited to the Sox strengths. Oh, and the reason Puig is on there is because he started in the minors this past year and was named on the Best Of lists at the end. And the lists in the capsules aren't exhaustive, they're just a highlight …
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