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Baseball America Organizations Top 10 Prospects
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 9, 2013 21:31:42 GMT -5
Yankees www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-new-york-yankees-top-10-prospects/1. Gary Sanchez, c 2. Slade Heathcott, of 3. Mason Williams, of 4. J.R. Murphy, c (Michael Pineda) 5. Eric Jagielo, 3b 6. Aaron Judge, of 7. Ian Clarkin, lhp 8. Greg Bird, 1b 9. Luis Severino, rhp 10. Gosuke Katoh, 2b (Manny Banuelos ... some other guys) www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schadenfreude
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 9, 2013 21:34:56 GMT -5
I'm not even familiar with most of those players but when the fifth best under-25 player in your org is a pitcher with a bum shoulder.... yeah...
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 9, 2013 21:55:46 GMT -5
Well the upcoming draft is really deep and if they draft well then maybe...... Oh yeah .... whoops.
At least they will be good enough to maybe win the wild card, if their pitching does not kill them.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 9, 2013 22:09:41 GMT -5
A system that has Slade Heathcott as the second best prospect has got to be amongst the worst ever, dear God.
EDIT: Also, honest question: Is Gary Sanchez a better prospect than Swihart?
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Post by charliezink16 on Dec 9, 2013 22:43:54 GMT -5
Yankees www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-new-york-yankees-top-10-prospects/1. Gary Sanchez, c 2. Slade Heathcott, of 3. Mason Williams, of 4. J.R. Murphy, c (Michael Pineda) 5. Eric Jagielo, 3b 6. Aaron Judge, of 7. Ian Clarkin, lhp 8. Greg Bird, 1b 9. Luis Severino, rhp 10. Gosuke Katoh, 2b (Manny Banuelos ... some other guys) www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schadenfreudelawl. Can't wait until Sanchez stalls in AAA next, man the system is so overrated year in and year out. I mean Mason Williams was one of Keith Law's top 25 prospects LAST YEAR! He was better than JBJ by most regards...just laughable. And what about Tyler Austin? Wasn't he a can't miss prospects just last season? Too funny. The Yanks can spend all they want, but they're not going to win continually without supplanting their stars with cheap, cost controlled players from the farm.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 10, 2013 3:19:28 GMT -5
I didn't notice the second link until the second time I looked at the post. That's brilliant. BA had them ranked as the #11 system in MLB last year, based on 5 top prospects. A year ago #1 Mason Williams, No-Neck's grandkid, was the #32 prospect in MLB, after a .272 Davenport Peak Translation (position adjusted), mostly in low-A. Which of course is not that impressive, but his tools were crazy good --- the writeup talks about him finishing 2013 in AA and possibly succeeding Granderson in 2014. He proceeded to come to camp overweight and slower, with a changed plate approach, had a DUI in April, and put up a .239 mostly in high-A. And he only fell to #3! #2 Slade Heathcott was the #63 prospect in MLB, on the strength of .292 in high-A. This year, .261 in AA, missed the last 40 games, knee surgery. And he stayed #2! #3 Gary Sanchez (now #1) was the #57 prospect in MLB (remember that the two rankings are done independently) on the basis of a .311 in low and high-A -- assuming he sticks at catcher; as a 1B he was .280. This year, mostly in high-A, he was .291 / .260, but apparently made progress defensively. Josh Norris, in the chat, identified him as the only Top 100 prospect. #4 Tyler Austin, RF, was #77 in MLB on the basis of .309, mostly in low-A. This year, an injury-plagued .261 in AA. He fell out of the top 10 and is now being talked about as a 4th outfielder. #5 Jose Campos, the other pitcher in the Montero / Pineda deal, had been shut down after 5 starts in 2012. This year he went back to low-A and was solid (2.83 FIP, .301 BABIP) in 87 innings, but also fell out of the top 10. So, the cream of the system was four low-A hitting prospects, who lost .033, .031, .020, and .048 of projection according to Davenport. Norris says the system will be ranked 20-30, but when challenged to name a worse one, he only had the Angels and Brewers, 30 and 22 last year. This may be a lesson to BA not to rank a system too high based on a handful of low-minors guys.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 10, 2013 3:36:09 GMT -5
A system that has Slade Heathcott as the second best prospect has got to be amongst the worst ever, dear God. EDIT: Also, honest question: Is Gary Sanchez a better prospect than Swihart? I think most would say that's a tough question. Davenport's yearly defensive rankings back up the notion that Sanchez has really improved his defense: -27, -28, -2, +23. Sanchez has actually been hitting, while Swihart's bat is still mostly projection. Sanchez, after his AA promotion last year, is a bit closer to MLB and is a year (8 months) younger. OTOH, they both had a long way to go defensively, and Swihart did that much more quickly and dramatically. That's the stuff most evaluators will look at, and I think most will give Sanchez the edge. I would add that Swihart's makeup and baseball IQ are reportedly off the charts, while Sanchez has suspensions in his past, was slow learning English, and didn't even call his own pitches for his first couple of years in the minors. I personally think that this bundle of attributes ends up giving Swihart a very clear edge.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 10, 2013 5:50:24 GMT -5
Yankees www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-new-york-yankees-top-10-prospects/1. Gary Sanchez, c 2. Slade Heathcott, of 3. Mason Williams, of 4. J.R. Murphy, c (Michael Pineda) 5. Eric Jagielo, 3b 6. Aaron Judge, of 7. Ian Clarkin, lhp 8. Greg Bird, 1b 9. Luis Severino, rhp 10. Gosuke Katoh, 2b (Manny Banuelos ... some other guys) www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schadenfreudeLoved the link and here I thought an attorney requirement was having your sense of humor surgically removed.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 10, 2013 9:00:47 GMT -5
A system that has Slade Heathcott as the second best prospect has got to be amongst the worst ever, dear God. EDIT: Also, honest question: Is Gary Sanchez a better prospect than Swihart? I think most would say that's a tough question. Davenport's yearly defensive rankings back up the notion that Sanchez has really improved his defense: -27, -28, -2, +23. Sanchez has actually been hitting, while Swihart's bat is still mostly projection. Sanchez, after his AA promotion last year, is a bit closer to MLB and is a year (8 months) younger. OTOH, they both had a long way to go defensively, and Swihart did that much more quickly and dramatically. That's the stuff most evaluators will look at, and I think most will give Sanchez the edge. I would add that Swihart's makeup and baseball IQ are reportedly off the charts, while Sanchez has suspensions in his past, was slow learning English, and didn't even call his own pitches for his first couple of years in the minors. I personally think that this bundle of attributes ends up giving Swihart a very clear edge. I get your point, in that Sanchez has some good hitting performances on his professional resume (especially slugging at a young age), but it should be noted that Swihart outhit Sanchez in A+ last year and had a higher OBP for the year than any of Sanchez's years after his first in rookie ball. So the bat isn't *that* far apart ... But, overall, I agree on the general conclusions: it's pretty close, but at this point I'd give Swihart the edge because of defense and speed of improvement. We'll know a lot more after this year on the comparison between the two, but I'm very optimistic about Swihart this year. I think he's gonna bust out in a very big way (and so, presumably, do the Sox, judging by their actions this year)
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 11, 2013 15:47:47 GMT -5
Tampa Bay Rays: www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-tampa-bay-rays-top-10-prospects/(Will Myers) (Matt Moore) (Chris Archer) 1. Jake Odorizzi, rhp 2. Hak-Ju Lee, ss 3. Taylor Guerrieri, rhp 4. Enny Romero, lhp 5. Alex Colome, rhp 6. Andrew Toles, of 7. Nick Ciuffo, c 8. Ryan Brett, 2b 9. Tim Beckham, ss/2b 10. Kevin Kiermaier, cf Still a pretty loaded system. It seems like they are fairly top heavy without great depth, though.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 11, 2013 17:03:45 GMT -5
That top half always seems to be pitchers doesn't it. So the trend of flipping starters for young bats should continue with Price. I really like the small sample from Ciuffo though
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Post by wskeleton76 on Dec 11, 2013 18:38:01 GMT -5
Top heavy? I don't think so. I guess Jake Odorizzi alone should be top 100.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 11, 2013 18:51:13 GMT -5
Top heavy? I don't think so. I guess Jake Odorizzi alone should be top 100. It was more of a comment on their overall youth's (including Myers, Moore, and Archer) proximity to the majors. Only a couple on their top 10 and top 15 (under 25) are below Double-A. Granted, Stanek, Riefenhauser, and Ciuffo all have promise, but outside of Guerreri, it will be interesting to see what the system looks like in 2 or so years.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 11, 2013 18:55:09 GMT -5
I have to say... That year they had a pick every other pick or it seemed like it has been a disaster. I'm not on my comp right now so I can't check but I believe only Guerrieri is in the top 10.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 11, 2013 19:43:57 GMT -5
I have to say... That year they had a pick every other pick or it seemed like it has been a disaster. I'm not on my comp right now so I can't check but I believe only Guerrieri is in the top 10. It is pretty terrible. In the BA chat, Bill Ballew said Blake Snell would probably fall in the 11-20 range, but besides that it is a disaster. I guess it is justice for getting 6 compensation picks for relief pitchers (2x R. Soriano, Balfour, Benoit, Choate, Qualls) and 1 for Brad Hawpe. Just for fun, this is their 1st round from 2011: 1(24) - Taylor Guerrieri 1(31) - Mikie Mahtook 1(32) - Jake Hager 1s(38) - Brandon Martin 1s(41) - Tyler Goeddel 1s(42) - Jeff Ames 1s(52) - Blake Snell 1s(56) - Kes Carter 1s(59) - Grayson Garvin 1s(60) - James Harris Compared to ours: 1(19) - Matt Barnes 1(26) - Blake Swihart 1s(36) - Henry Owens 1s(40) - Jackie Bradley
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 11, 2013 20:20:36 GMT -5
Can you imagine if that was the Red Sox? We would of cleaned up that draft. They dropped the ball. The Rays really fell back to earth if they don't have a good system they have nothing really. They can't draft hitters.
I am so pumped people on here so thru the MFY'S garabage. I think the MLB has also there prospects are not desirable anymore to other teams. The only people who get excitied over the Yankee's prospects is Baseball America.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 11, 2013 20:25:04 GMT -5
It seemed to be pretty much a consensus even at the time that they had a pretty bad draft considering how many picks they had, and a lot of people were speculating that it was because they didn't want to (or couldn't afford to) spend the money on a bunch of really good players, so they took a lot of reaches, and guys who would sign relatively cheap.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 11, 2013 22:34:24 GMT -5
That's not a good system. It's a poorly kept secret that the Rays haven't drafted well in years. Myers, Archer, Odorizzi, and Lee were all from trades.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 11, 2013 23:35:14 GMT -5
It seemed to be pretty much a consensus even at the time that they had a pretty bad draft considering how many picks they had, and a lot of people were speculating that it was because they didn't want to (or couldn't afford to) spend the money on a bunch of really good players, so they took a lot of reaches, and guys who would sign relatively cheap. From my recollection, that is spot on. throughout the entire process they were obviously drafting players that should have slotted significantly lower.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2013 23:41:09 GMT -5
I really don't like the idea Of Tampa falling back to punching bag. It's much better for baseball if they are good.
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Post by zil on Dec 12, 2013 1:52:06 GMT -5
I really don't like the idea Of Tampa falling back to punching bag. It's much better for baseball if they are good. Why? So a good team can play in front of an empty stadium?
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Post by wskeleton76 on Dec 12, 2013 3:50:02 GMT -5
That's not a good system. It's a poorly kept secret that the Rays haven't drafted well in years. Myers, Archer, Odorizzi, and Lee were all from trades. They drafted Price and Moore in 2007 but since 2008 they have not drafted any top 100 prospects even though they had No. 1 pick and lots of 1st round picks.
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Post by moonstone2 on Dec 12, 2013 3:51:47 GMT -5
That's not a good system. It's a poorly kept secret that the Rays haven't drafted well in years. Myers, Archer, Odorizzi, and Lee were all from trades. You mean after they stopped getting high picks.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 12, 2013 6:26:58 GMT -5
Just for fun, this is their 1st round from 2011: 1(24) - Taylor Guerrieri 1(31) - Mikie Mahtook 1(32) - Jake Hager 1s(38) - Brandon Martin 1s(41) - Tyler Goeddel 1s(42) - Jeff Ames 1s(52) - Blake Snell 1s(56) - Kes Carter 1s(59) - Grayson Garvin 1s(60) - James Harris Compared to ours: 1(19) - Matt Barnes 1(26) - Blake Swihart 1s(36) - Henry Owens 1s(40) - Jackie Bradley That's a very poor success rate for the Rays, but are those the best four consecutive picks in Sox history? That's fully half of the top 8 prospects in the system, all in a row, one of whom is already penciled in as the starting center fielder in Boston. I mean, of course it's a little early to fully judge those guys until they prove themselves (or don't) in the major leagues, but still ... there's more than skill there, there's luck in getting things that right.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 12, 2013 6:48:33 GMT -5
That's not a good system. It's a poorly kept secret that the Rays haven't drafted well in years. Myers, Archer, Odorizzi, and Lee were all from trades. You mean after they stopped getting high picks. I mean, you could say they whiffed on the Beckham/Posey year too. And look at that 2011 draft, where they completely whiffed on pretty much every pick but Guerreri and Snell.
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