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Red Sox sign Chris Capuano for $2.25m with incentives
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 20, 2014 10:17:41 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 4 min. Red Sox still talking with Chris Capuano.
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Post by jmei on Feb 20, 2014 13:21:36 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo Source : Capuano to Red Sox likely. Deal could be announced later in day or tomorrow.
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier Cheringtib now clarifies Six 'may be close to bringing another pitcher to camp,' presumably Capuano.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2014 13:26:52 GMT -5
I think of him more as a Morales replacement than a Dempster replacement. Can't hurt.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 20, 2014 14:06:46 GMT -5
I think of him more as a Morales replacement than a Dempster replacement. Can't hurt. Hmm. Hypothetically, suppose one of the Top five starters gets hurt in spring training and will miss a significant chunk of the season. Do you see Capuano getting the #5 spot, or do you think it's more likely to go to Workman or Webster? My feeling is that it's Capuano (which would make him closer to Dempster than Morales, role-wise), but I want to get a feel for what you (and others) think.
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Post by jmei on Feb 20, 2014 14:11:34 GMT -5
This front office always tries to maximize depth towards the beginning of the season, and if Capuano is healthy and stretched-out, I think it's pretty much a lock that he is first on the SP depth chart after the existing 5.
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Post by okin15 on Feb 20, 2014 14:12:17 GMT -5
there ought to be a non-DL way to give guys who sign late an additional stretch of XST, even if it's only the number of days that they missed.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 20, 2014 14:12:46 GMT -5
David Cameron ?@dcameronfg 41s $2.3M for Capuano is hilarious. 29 teams just missed the boat.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2014 14:15:40 GMT -5
$2.25M base, incentives can bring it to $5M, per Heyman. A steal.
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Post by jmei on Feb 20, 2014 14:29:07 GMT -5
David Cameron ?@dcameronfg 41s $2.3M for Capuano is hilarious. 29 teams just missed the boat. Last three years: Capuano: 4.15 ERA, 3.90 FIP, 3.79 xFIP (490 IP, age 35) Ubaldo Jimenez: 4.45 ERA, 4.04 FIP, 4.09 xFIP (542.7 IP, age 30) Ervin Santana: 3.85 ERA, 4.45 FIP, 4.00 xFIP (617.2 IP, age 31) Ricky Nolasco: 4.29 ERA, 3.58 FIP, 3.76 xFIP (596.1 IP, age 31) Jason Vargas: 4.04 ERA, 4.32 FIP, 4.41 xFIP (568.1 IP, age 31) Contracts received in free agency: Capuano: one year, $2.25m guaranteed, $2.75m in incentives Jimenez: four years, $50m (draft pick given up) Santana: ? Nolasco: four years, $49m Vargas: four years, $32m Capuano is certainly significantly older and less durable, but this is just a ridiculous bargain. He fits perfectly with what the Red Sox need right now: not the most reliable guy, but capable of average to above-average innings when he's on the mound.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 20, 2014 14:30:35 GMT -5
$2.25M base, incentives can bring it to $5M, per Heyman. A steal. Ok, so NOW the Demster quasi-retirement is good news.
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Post by elguapo on Feb 20, 2014 14:51:11 GMT -5
Good fit for the bullpen.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2014 15:11:36 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly
keithlaw ?@keithlaw 5m
$2.9 million for Chris Capuano in the AL East? No, thanks.
keithlaw ?@keithlaw 2m
Sorry, $2.25 million. Still not someone I'd want in that division on a guaranteed deal.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 20, 2014 15:38:54 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly keithlaw ?@keithlaw 5m $2.9 million for Chris Capuano in the AL East? No, thanks. keithlaw ?@keithlaw 2m Sorry, $2.25 million. Still not someone I'd want in that division on a guaranteed deal. Thats pretty silly. A guaranteed deal yes, but if Capuano never makes a single start for the Red Sox, we can absorb a $2.25 million hit pretty easily. If he were signed as our 4th or even 5th starter I can see why you wouldn't want him in the AL East, but c'mon Keith, this is a great depth sign and nothing more. Also, can we stop pretending that the AL East is offensively superior to the other divisions in 2014?
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Post by h11233 on Feb 20, 2014 15:40:06 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly keithlaw ?@keithlaw 5m $2.9 million for Chris Capuano in the AL East? No, thanks. keithlaw ?@keithlaw 2m Sorry, $2.25 million. Still not someone I'd want in that division on a guaranteed deal. Assuming the 2.25 base salary, that still leaves the Sox about $18 mil under the luxury tax. You get decent depth for pennies on the dollar and it still leaves plenty of room to make moves. It's not the most exciting deal, but don't really see any downside other than maybe the roster spot.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2014 15:47:11 GMT -5
I don't care about the money. I care about the roster spot.
The Cardinals have 8 legitimate starters on their 2014 roster. 4 of them are younger than Workman and another is the same age. They aren't signing crappy 6th starters so their legitimate starting prospects can start in the minors.
They seem to be doing well developing their pitchers.
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Post by jmei on Feb 20, 2014 15:50:37 GMT -5
I don't care about the money. I care about the roster spot. The Cardinals have 8 legitimate starters on their 2014 roster. 4 of them are younger than Workman and another is the same age. They aren't signing crappy 6th starters so their legitimate starting prospects can start in the minors. They seem to be doing well developing their pitchers. Their young pitchers are all far, far more talented than the MLB-ready ones in the Red Sox organization. Wacha, Miller, Rosenthal, Martinez, and even Kelly are far and away better than any of the young starters in the Red Sox system, and it isn't close.
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Post by h11233 on Feb 20, 2014 15:55:33 GMT -5
I don't care about the money. I care about the roster spot. The Cardinals have 8 legitimate starters on their 2014 roster. 4 of them are younger than Workman and another is the same age. They aren't signing crappy 6th starters so their legitimate starting prospects can start in the minors. They seem to be doing well developing their pitchers. I can understand the sentiment, I'm in the camp that wants to let WMB/Xander play so we can see what we got. I don't want to be hypocritical, so I won't argue against it. The biggest difference I see in this situation is I don't think Capuano is as much of a road block for the young pitchers. I just see it as hedging your bets and I think it's worth it.
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Post by danr on Feb 20, 2014 15:56:29 GMT -5
I don't care about the money. I care about the roster spot. The Cardinals have 8 legitimate starters on their 2014 roster. 4 of them are younger than Workman and another is the same age. They aren't signing crappy 6th starters so their legitimate starting prospects can start in the minors. They seem to be doing well developing their pitchers. Their young pitchers are all far, far more talented than the MLB-ready ones in the Red Sox organization. Wacha, Miller, Rosenthal, Martinez, and even Kelly are far and away better than any of the young starters in the Red Sox system, and it isn't close. I've always thought the Cardinals were one of the best managed franchises in baseball, and I think you are absolutely right about their pitchers. However, even conceding that they are a very well run team, the Red Sox are as well, and both teams have been drafting around the same spots for years. So why such a big difference?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Feb 20, 2014 15:59:31 GMT -5
I don't care about the money. I care about the roster spot. The Cardinals have 8 legitimate starters on their 2014 roster. 4 of them are younger than Workman and another is the same age. They aren't signing crappy 6th starters so their legitimate starting prospects can start in the minors. They seem to be doing well developing their pitchers. Their young pitchers are all far, far more talented than the MLB-ready ones in the Red Sox organization. Wacha, Miller, Rosenthal, Martinez, and even Kelly are far and away better than any of the young starters in the Red Sox system, and it isn't close. Agreed and isn't the money. My only problem with adding Capuano is him blocking one of the young kids we DO have. If Capuano pitches say 90 innings this year, that is 90 innings I'd rather goes to Workman or Webster or Barnes, etc.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2014 16:01:30 GMT -5
I don't care about the money. I care about the roster spot. The Cardinals have 8 legitimate starters on their 2014 roster. 4 of them are younger than Workman and another is the same age. They aren't signing crappy 6th starters so their legitimate starting prospects can start in the minors. They seem to be doing well developing their pitchers. Their young pitchers are all far, far more talented than the MLB-ready ones in the Red Sox organization. Wacha, Miller, Rosenthal, Martinez, and even Kelly are far and away better than any of the young starters in the Red Sox system, and it isn't close. It's just an example of how it's ridiculous to think a starting pitcher can't pitch in the bullpen and should instead start in AAA until a rotation spot opens up. There are so many more examples. I don't see how keeping Workman in AAA helps the team because I think he's a much better pitcher than Capuano.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Feb 20, 2014 16:14:37 GMT -5
While they got him on a cheapie deal I have my reservations he is going to help especially spending his entire career in the National League.
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Post by jmei on Feb 20, 2014 16:16:58 GMT -5
I don't see how keeping Workman in AAA helps the team because I think he's a much better pitcher than Capuano. I think you're overrating Workman and underrating Capuano. In particular, Workman's strikeout rate will regress significantly as a starter. He way outperformed his swinging strike rate last year, which was not much higher than the league average. Three good starts shouldn't obfuscate the fact that he's got one above-average pitch, fringy secondary stuff, and bad mechanics.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 20, 2014 16:33:12 GMT -5
Somebody needs to be the long man/emergency starter role. You can't reasonably put a stud prospect in that role. Capuano fits that bill, and for this price, he doesn't really need to start like Dempster at 13.25. Heck, we've signed crappy relievers for more than this fairly recently.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 20, 2014 16:38:38 GMT -5
What a steal. I "dislike" the deal because of a personal irrational reason, I don't like to watch him pitch. However, the numbers are undeniable and I hope I get to change my view about his stuff this year.
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Post by moonstone2 on Feb 20, 2014 16:51:09 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly keithlaw ?@keithlaw 5m $2.9 million for Chris Capuano in the AL East? No, thanks. keithlaw ?@keithlaw 2m Sorry, $2.25 million. Still not someone I'd want in that division on a guaranteed deal. Thats pretty silly. A guaranteed deal yes, but if Capuano never makes a single start for the Red Sox, we can absorb a $2.25 million hit pretty easily. If he were signed as our 4th or even 5th starter I can see why you wouldn't want him in the AL East, but c'mon Keith, this is a great depth sign and nothing more. Also, can we stop pretending that the AL East is offensively superior to the other divisions in 2014? Well in the AL East you have the DH, smaller ball parks and no bad offensive teams. That wasn't the case where he got to start in San Diego and Dodger stadium....and to face some pretty awful teams as a Brewer. Yes they can take the hit if it doesn't work out, but I think what Keith is saying is that he has very little chance to be valuable given the smaller parks and better competition. Even if you have the money to spend, it's still not a good idea to take $2.25M and set it on fire, and that's what Keith is saying they are doing.
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