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Post by wcp3 on Jul 13, 2014 8:16:01 GMT -5
I kinda like Cleveland. I'll be rooting for them over the Bulls, OKC, GS and Spurs for sure. But what happened with Chris Bosh and Houston? That would've been pretty cool to see Howard, Bosh and Harden all on the same team out there. Miami offered him the max, and he jumped for it. That's pretty much the story. That team would've looked great on paper, but man, they would've been brutal defensively. And unlikable. (Dwight and Bosh are right up there for the least likable players in the NBA.) |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 13, 2014 10:16:33 GMT -5
I mainly root against the Knicks, Lakers and Bulls. I'm fine with pretty much everyone else. I wasn't really rooting for Miami because it was getting old but I can root for James now that he is playing for Cleveland.
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Post by jmei on Jul 13, 2014 11:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 13, 2014 12:31:53 GMT -5
True, that was an overreaction on my part because of the last 2 playoffs series I saw the Heat. My main point however was that the coaching scheme will hardly matter once you got LeBron and unless Blatt goes full Sacramento there's no way he can mess that up. I "worry" more about the supporting players than coaching in their case. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 13, 2014 13:08:28 GMT -5
I don't know, remember the Mike Brown-era Cavs? Lebron has certainly matured since then, and this set of supporting players is better than that 06-07 guys, but I still think a bad coaching job would be enough to stop this Cavs team from reaching its ceiling.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 13, 2014 17:37:07 GMT -5
Yeah, but a Mike Brown led team reached the finals with LeBron, and bad coaching doesn't get any worse than Mike Brown.
But I agree that there are too many questions for the Cavs right now, but this move makes LeBron more likable in my book. His reasons for doing so are all the better, he really matured this past couple of seasons. And it comes with Miami replacing him with Josh McBob, which is the best part of all this.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2014 6:12:51 GMT -5
I have seen some tv specials/interviews with Bosh outside of basketball and he's definitely a likable guy unless you just dislike people personally for superficial reasons. He genuinely seems happy, fun and family oriented. That being said, on and off the court are two different things and I can understand not liking his game. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 14, 2014 11:39:46 GMT -5
I have seen some tv specials/interviews with Bosh outside of basketball and he's definitely a likable guy unless you just dislike people personally for superficial reasons. He genuinely seems happy, fun and family oriented. That being said, on and off the court are two different things and I can understand not liking his game. Pretty much I just despise his game. The guy is a legit 6'11, and yet he's chosen to turn himself into the equivalent of a 6'7 stretch 4. It'd be one thing if he played matchups (for instance, he played away from the basket when a shot blocker was defending him), but he's hardly ever willing to go inside anymore. I used to hate Bosh for his decision to not play the second half of his last season in Toronto, but he was pretty young at that point. |
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 14, 2014 13:23:51 GMT -5
I have seen some tv specials/interviews with Bosh outside of basketball and he's definitely a likable guy unless you just dislike people personally for superficial reasons. He genuinely seems happy, fun and family oriented. That being said, on and off the court are two different things and I can understand not liking his game. Pretty much I just despise his game. The guy is a legit 6'11, and yet he's chosen to turn himself into the equivalent of a 6'7 stretch 4. It'd be one thing if he played matchups (for instance, he played away from the basket when a shot blocker was defending him), but he's hardly ever willing to go inside anymore. I used to hate Bosh for his decision to not play the second half of his last season in Toronto, but he was pretty young at that point. I think it's probably not fair to say he "chose" to do that. Miami's spacing would've been totally dysfunctional had he refused to change his game and insisted on being a 20 foot and in mid range/post up/pick and roll guy, his transition allowed them a ton of flexibility with line-ups and kept driving lanes open for Lebron and Wade. I'd be surprised if we don't see him playing inside more this year |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 14, 2014 18:03:48 GMT -5
Pretty much I just despise his game. The guy is a legit 6'11, and yet he's chosen to turn himself into the equivalent of a 6'7 stretch 4. It'd be one thing if he played matchups (for instance, he played away from the basket when a shot blocker was defending him), but he's hardly ever willing to go inside anymore. I used to hate Bosh for his decision to not play the second half of his last season in Toronto, but he was pretty young at that point. I think it's probably not fair to say he "chose" to do that. Miami's spacing would've been totally dysfunctional had he refused to change his game and insisted on being a 20 foot and in mid range/post up/pick and roll guy, his transition allowed them a ton of flexibility with line-ups and kept driving lanes open for Lebron and Wade. I'd be surprised if we don't see him playing inside more this year I'm not just talking about where he stood during set plays. One of the biggest reasons Miami was able to get over the hump in 2012 was because Bosh was willing to crash the boards on both end of the court. His rebounding has been on a downward trend ever since, and he was a non-factor on the interior this past season. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 15, 2014 13:16:31 GMT -5
I've always been a huge fan of Marcus Thornton's game. He's terrible on defense-- poor awareness, gets stuck on screens, a little undersized-- but the dude can flat-out score. He's a poor man's Jamal Crawford/J.R. Smith bench gunner. Like those guys, his shot selection is suspect, which means his overall shooting percentages are pretty mediocre, but there's something to be said for volume scoring with a low turnover rate-- something this team desperately needed last year, for instance.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 18, 2014 6:42:31 GMT -5
So I was just reading about The Cavs being willing to include Wiggins for Love and it got he thinking. I wonder who's idea it was to have the Cavs pick the C's just got to be 2016 vs 2015... NBA rules prohibit teams from trading first rd picks in back to back years. Did Danny strategically put that pick at 2016 to stop Cleveland from having a pick to trade until 2018? Very few trade partners will value a 2018 late first as much of anything. It will require Cleveland to strip more assets off their team to get Love or perhaps prohibit them from getting him at all...
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Post by texs31 on Jul 18, 2014 8:05:29 GMT -5
They have other picks from Miami (top 10 protected) and Memphis (if between 6-14) next year. I'm not sure how Stepian works when your other potential picks are protected but I'm guessing they'll be able to trade a 1st.
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Post by jmei on Jul 18, 2014 8:07:55 GMT -5
If they include Wiggins, they won't need to include many picks. Something like Wiggins and Thompson is already way more than Minnesota would get from any other team.
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Post by jmei on Jul 18, 2014 18:30:08 GMT -5
Minnesota reportedly wants more than Wiggins and Bennett. If I'm Cleveland, I tell them good luck finding a deal better than that, and wait until Flip Saunders comes calling back with his tail tucked between his legs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 19, 2014 0:40:55 GMT -5
Minnesota reportedly wants more than Wiggins and Bennett. If I'm Cleveland, I tell them good luck finding a deal better than that, and wait until Flip Saunders comes calling back with his tail tucked between his legs. Yeah, and I want to do some pretty bad things to Summer Glau. Doesn't mean it will happen though. Flip is likely doing this because he knows he has leverage and he knows LeBron will push the Cavs to pull the trigger and he also knows that the other teams know this as well so someone may panic. If all fails, you take Wiggins and fatso and move along for another decade finishing 11th in the West. Stuff like giving Ricky freaking Rubio a max makes me wish for some sort of relegation system like soccer (EDIT: my bad, they actually didn't do it, but they lowballed Love to be able to do so, which is somehow even more ungodly). |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2014 9:38:16 GMT -5
Minnesota reportedly wants more than Wiggins and Bennett. If I'm Cleveland, I tell them good luck finding a deal better than that, and wait until Flip Saunders comes calling back with his tail tucked between his legs. Yea it's a funny game of chicken. What if Wiggins struggles (likely) then the shiny new toy may carry less value... Doesn't really matter for Cleveland, I guess since, they can't force Minny to take a deal. Honestly, if I'm Cleveland I wouldn't trade for Love. He's going to Free Agency and wants to play with Lebron. Be patient, let development happen this year and sign Love as a Free Agent. If the Knicks had done this with Carmelo they may not stink. Imagine the powerhouse Cleveland could build by being patient and keeping Wiggins plus others and he. signing Love... That opportunity out weighs the risk you can't sign him in my opinion. Especially since you know he wants to and if not then you still have the ability to sign others since you will be a destination. It amazes me how impatient people in the NBA are. Hopefully Danny is. |
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Post by ianrs on Jul 19, 2014 17:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jul 21, 2014 15:55:59 GMT -5
Steve Bulpett?@stevebhoop·9 mins
Celtics finishing deal for FA Evan Turner, sources tell Herald. He will get a portion of their mid-level exception.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 21, 2014 16:04:28 GMT -5
Celtics might have just secured the worst shooting backcourt ever assembled.
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Post by jmei on Jul 21, 2014 16:05:49 GMT -5
Turner could be a useful buy-low sort, but the backcourt playing time situation is getting very, very tight.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 21, 2014 16:09:17 GMT -5
They also have 15 guaranteed contracts so either a trade is coming; Wallace is getting stretched or Johnson, Babb and Bogans get waived.
Makes sense for Young to spend most of the season in the D but there is still a glut of players here.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2014 16:53:30 GMT -5
This is an asset grab. Repair his reputation, pad his stats and trade him. He can play the 3 as well.
They are not going to use the stretch on Wallace. It'd be quite possibly the dumbest move they could possibly make right now.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 21, 2014 16:57:06 GMT -5
Just listing options
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2014 16:58:52 GMT -5
I hear you but it's not a real option any more than using the stretch in any other player is.
Has anyone seen the actual terms yet?
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