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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2014 19:34:56 GMT -5
Salary-matching for Love is not a big problem; this trade would work, for instance. If you did the above trade, the Celtics could have the following salary commitments: Love: $15.7m Rondo: $13m Wallace: $10.1m Green: $9.2m Asik: $8.4m Bradley: $6m (est.) Humphries: $5m (est.) Faverani: $2m Olynyk: $2m Draft pick: $1.4m Pressey: $.5m Johnson: $.5m ...that would get you to $73.8m, which should be below the luxury tax limit ( projected to be $75.7m) and give the Celtics the ability to use the full mid-level. Forgot about Bogans for a minute... If those numbers are accurate, then using the full mid level is tough. Most likely they'd opt for the mini.. You have 12 players at 1.9 under the tax apron. The full mid is basically 5.4. This would put you 3.5 over the tax. I believe, a team who uses the full mid level is hard capped at 4m over the tax apron. This means they would only have 13 players under contract and only 0.5m left to spend on players no matter what happens. Including 10 day contracts, etc. |
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2014 19:51:11 GMT -5
That's a fair point, though any real pressure could easily be alleviated by spending above the mini but below the full mid-level. Say, by splitting the mid-level and spending $2m on Bayless and $2m on Caron Butler. That would leave $2m for any in-season additions, which should be more than enough (remember that 10-day contracts (as well as other contracts signed during the season) are prorated, which means they don't add up to much).
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Post by texs31 on Apr 17, 2014 20:01:51 GMT -5
As I look around the league, these are the only moves that I can see getting excited about (Love and Asik). I'm struggling to find other matches that would make this a championship caliber team (and I agree that that is the goal).
Anyone else drum up excitement for people?
EDIT - I'm limiting myself to those who I think would be available
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Post by texs31 on Apr 18, 2014 14:37:59 GMT -5
Boston loses the tiebreaker with Utah so they will be 5th in the lottery. Meanwhile, Brooklyn won their tiebreaker with Washigton so Boston will pick 17th.
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Post by jmei on Apr 18, 2014 15:20:07 GMT -5
Boston loses the tiebreaker with Utah so they will be 5th in the lottery. Meanwhile, Brooklyn won their tiebreaker with Washigton so Boston will pick 17th. That's not exactly right-- Utah just gets one extra ping-pong ball and jumps ahead if neither team wins one of the top 3 spots. But Utah and Boston have basically equal odds at a top-3 pick. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 18, 2014 15:39:53 GMT -5
Utah has the 4th highest chance (104 out of 1000 combinations) and Boston has the 5th (103).
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 18, 2014 16:48:05 GMT -5
So the celtics can't get top 3 unless Utah end up top 3 too. That sucks. I hate this tiebreakers. Let's hope for the best.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 18, 2014 16:49:24 GMT -5
Boston loses the tiebreaker with Utah so they will be 5th in the lottery. Meanwhile, Brooklyn won their tiebreaker with Washigton so Boston will pick 17th. That's not exactly right-- Utah just gets one extra ping-pong ball and jumps ahead if neither team wins one of the top 3 spots. But Utah and Boston have basically equal odds at a top-3 pick. Well Utah has twice the odds because if the Celtics get top 3 they get the pick. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 18, 2014 16:59:47 GMT -5
So the celtics can't get top 3 unless Utah end up top 3 too. That sucks. I hate this tiebreakers. Let's hope for the best. Whaaaa??? I think you're misunderstanding the rules. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 18, 2014 17:13:21 GMT -5
Yes yes I'm an idiot. I thought it was they pick higher if EITHER team gets top 3 it's if NEITHER team gets top 3. Thanks for making me realize it, that tells you how much I know about Basketball.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 18, 2014 17:17:21 GMT -5
NUMBER ONE PICK HERE WE COME THEN.
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Post by jmei on Apr 21, 2014 16:18:03 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2014 16:54:14 GMT -5
Only if he's a possible long term fit
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Post by texs31 on Apr 21, 2014 17:44:59 GMT -5
May depend on the draft, too. If they end up with Embiid (though he might not be able to start right away), I'm not sure they invest resources in Asik.
That's probably an interesting exercise in itself. What would you do given a possible outcome of the draft lottery?
For example:
If they get a top 3 pick and get Parker, then keep R ondo. Try and get Asik. And build off of that.
If they get Top 3 and get Embiid, maybe you look to trade Rondo (since Embiid may not be the force we hope to him be for a few years).
Top 3 and Wiggins? Either of the previous 2 I suppose.
If they get pick 5 or 6, trade it (assuming you have a shot at Love or someone else that I currently can't think of).
Exum would be a wild card for me. Not sure what I would do. Lots of options depending on what happens with Rondo and/or Bradley.
I definitely don't feel great about being left with Randle when all is said and done.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 21, 2014 22:41:00 GMT -5
Really? Randle is a much more fundamentally sound player than Parker, not to mention a better defender. I have a feeling you really can't go WRONG in the top 4, while Exum is really a mystery.
I'd be concerned if they get someone like Marcus Smart or Noah Vonleh. If they fall out of the top 5 and can't work a trade, I wouldn't object taking Gordon or McDermott.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 21, 2014 23:03:23 GMT -5
I like Randle as much as anyone, but he's definitely a notch below Parker as a prospect. That doesn't mean he won't be as good (or better), but Parker is the more talented guy. Upside almost always trumps in the NBA draft, for better or worse.
Also, I like McDermott and all, but I'd prefer to see another team be the one to take a chance on him.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 21, 2014 23:56:00 GMT -5
Randle would be fine but with Olynik and Sullinger it'd be redundant, same with Gordon. He is probably better that those two, or could be better anyways, but they are to similar to fit on the same roster, all three together.
As for the Parker v Randle I think they are different players. Parker was forced to play the 4/5 for Duke but he ideally is a 3 in my mind. Randle is clearly a 4 for me.
Disregard this really, my knowledge of Basketball is limited really. I should really step up my game with all these Dominican-American choosing to play for us.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 22, 2014 9:36:43 GMT -5
I don't think the Celtics should make any draft-related decisions based on having Sullinger or Olynik on the roster.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 22, 2014 11:01:55 GMT -5
Well yeah if they ended up in a position to draft him they should take him but I don't think it would be ideal to have three young forwards that play the same position on the roster.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 1, 2014 11:36:41 GMT -5
I love the fact that the Nets traded 3 first round picks plus the right for the C's to swap a 4th for 2 guys they have on their bench in crunch time in YEAR 1 of the trade. My god, what a trade by Danny. It may be more of a rip off than the first Garnett deal.
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Post by jmei on May 1, 2014 12:16:51 GMT -5
This is a nice little graphic from Celtics.com that neatly and accurately displays the Celtics' lottery odds:  |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 1, 2014 12:34:49 GMT -5
They are going to pick 2nd... Book it
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Post by texs31 on May 1, 2014 14:43:17 GMT -5
I love the fact that the Nets traded 3 first round picks plus the right for the C's to swap a 4th for 2 guys they have on their bench in crunch time in YEAR 1 of the trade. My god, what a trade by Danny. It may be more of a rip off than the first Garnett deal. I'm now hoping that it's the 2nd best trade last offseason. I'm dreaming of the unrealistic scenario where Sterling takes the NBA to court (retaining ownership) and the some of LAC's player somehow get out of their existing contracts/force trades. They stink and we get another Top 5 pick next year. I know it's very unrealistic (and, probably insensitive for the more important issue going on here) but . . . |
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Post by jmei on May 19, 2014 12:58:36 GMT -5
Here's my dream semi-realistic offseason:
-Celtics get the 5th pick in the 2014 draft
-Trade Sullinger, Bass, Anthony, C. Johnson, the 5th pick in the 2014 draft, and the unprotected 2016 Nets pick for Kevin Love
-Acquire Omer Asik for the TPE, the 2015 Clippers pick, and the protected Sixers pick (likely to be second-round picks in 2015 and 2016)
-Acquire Jeremy Lin for Bogans, Faverani, Pressey, and Babb
-Re-sign Avery Bradley to a three year, $15m deal
-Draft Nik Stauskas
-Re-sign Kris Humpries to a two-year, $5m contract
That would give the Celtics the following in salary commitments:
Love $15.7m
Rondo $13m
Wallace $10.1m
Green $9.2m
Asik $8.4m
Lin $8.4m
Bradley $5m
Humpries: $5m
Olynyk $2.1m
Stauskas $1.4m
Total = $78.3m
The luxury tax limit should be $77m, so the Celtics will be over, but I believe they can accomplish all of the above if they sequence everything right. They would still have the $3m mini-MLE to spend on depth.
Their depth chart would be:
PG: Rondo, Lin
SG: Bradley, Stauskas
SF: Green, Wallace
PF: Love, Olynyk
C: Asik, Humpries
The Love deal might be unrealistic-- who knows what Minnesota will want or what other teams will be able to offer. The part of this plan I'm most uncertain about is whether to trade for Lin. You're giving up a lot of cheap depth (it effectively requires you to move Pressey, Babb, Johnson, and Anthony) for a player who is overpaid. But I'm not convinced that Pressey will ever shoot well enough to be a tolerable backup, and you can always grab veterans for the minimum to fill out the roster.
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Post by semperfisox on May 19, 2014 16:07:21 GMT -5
Exum or Wiggins would be my preferred guys.
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