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Boston Celtics 2014 Offseason Thread
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Post by texs31 on May 22, 2014 16:12:30 GMT -5
I was scanning nba rosters looking for another all-star player that we could trade for and came up with Marc Gasol. Would you guys be willing to part with #6? Again, only 1 year left (and this time, there is not even an option to pick up). Defensive player of the year. He's older than Love (29, I believe).
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Post by Don Caballero on May 22, 2014 21:47:55 GMT -5
I was scanning nba rosters looking for another all-star player that we could trade for and came up with Marc Gasol. Would you guys be willing to part with #6? Again, only 1 year left (and this time, there is not even an option to pick up). Defensive player of the year. He's older than Love (29, I believe). This is the sort of trade that sadly doesn't make sense in the real world. I believe that weirdly the sixth pick would at the same time be giving up too much and yet not enough for Memphis. Gasol is a heck of a player, though.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 23, 2014 14:56:18 GMT -5
Most of the mocks I have seen lately elevate Vonleh to 5. He has length, can help at the rim and can spread the floor. I think the big drop-off may occur at the C's pick. Randle looks like Sullinger redux, and Smart is a small guard. Forced with this scenario, I would rather grab the great athlete in Gordon and hope to develop his shot.
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Post by texs31 on May 23, 2014 15:23:06 GMT -5
I've captured about 21 mocks (yeah, I did) from what I feel are "credible" NBA-related sites (whatever that means) and they have Randle at 5 about 33% and Vonleh 19%. For Boston, the consensus is Vonleh (33%) and Randle (29%).
Not that there is any real merit in assigning %s but that's where things stand. Admittedly, I wouldn't be surprised if Vonleh leaps up higher when the next versions come out.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on May 25, 2014 11:11:27 GMT -5
espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonceltics&id=4713016&city=boston
Simmons gives the Cavs the best shot at Love. There is zero chance he re-signs with them. If Love is telling the truth about going to a winning franchise, Cleveland is not an option. If Golden State is willing to offer Thompson and Lee, they can put together the best offer as far as actual players. Outside of #6 this year, we really don't have a high lottery pick in the near future.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 25, 2014 17:27:47 GMT -5
Simmons gives the Cavs the best shot at Love. There is zero chance he re-signs with them. If Love is telling the truth about going to a winning franchise, Cleveland is not an option. If Golden State is willing to offer Thompson and Lee, they can put together the best offer as far as actual players. Outside of #6 this year, we really don't have a high lottery pick in the near future. There's a part of me that wishes we don't get Love only to see him going to Golden State. Can you imagine the shooting pair of him and Curry? The beautiful form and unlimited range both have? The weirdly ballooning peripheral stats each one has that skyrockets their PERs (assists for Curry, rebounds for Love)? The utter and complete disregard for defense? There would be no team I'd ever have a bigger joy seeing getting swept by the Spurs in the first round than them.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 27, 2014 14:39:14 GMT -5
Any rumors of who the Celtics are working out, looking at etc. ?
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Post by jmei on May 27, 2014 15:10:07 GMT -5
Jeff Goodman ?@goodmanespn Boston Celtics June 3 workout: T.J. Warren, Cleanthony Early, KJ McDaniels, Kyle Anderson, DeAndre Daniels, PJ Hairston, per sources.
Jeff Goodman ?@goodmanespn Noah Vonleh has set up visits to Sacramento (June 2) & Lakers (June 4). Lakers pick 7th and Kings pick 8th. He'll also work out for Boston.
Jeff Goodman ?@goodmanespn Marcus Smart will also work out for the Boston Celtics - who have the No. 6 pick -- source told ESPN. Smart could allow Ainge to move Rondo.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 27, 2014 17:09:38 GMT -5
I like PJ Harriston. I know he has off-the-field question marks but he can score a variety of ways.
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Post by rangoon82 on May 31, 2014 14:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on May 31, 2014 16:05:24 GMT -5
Yeah, he's been in the Boston area all weekend. Says he's just here to "check out the city." Hopefully he liked it.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 5, 2014 7:11:23 GMT -5
what I thought was a combination of rumor, speculation and conspiracy theory now just won't go away. I can't say it's being picked up by mainstream media but sports talk shows are at least addressing it so I thought it worthy of discussion here.
the gist, as I understand it, is that someone from realgm.com suggested that Kevin loves visit was orchestrated by Danny Ainge through rage on Rondo. His claim is that Kevin Love is already coming to Boston via trade and the public visit was intended to show Carmelo Anthony that's Boston should be a desirable place for him.
not much talked since the visit and we're just going through draft workouts, so what the hell?!let's get people's thoughts on this idea (even if its bunk).
as soon as the Kevin Love speculation started, I felt that the Celtics would still need ago to wing score. That being said I've never been a believer in Carmelo Anthony as a winner.
And you'd still have to go out and get a shot blocker to make up for the obvious defensive deficiencies (and likely resign Bradley too). Not sure it could all be done even if we wanted.
Think I'd rather get Love and then try to get that see if you can't get lucky in the draft (TJ Warren or move up from 17 to get Static). Get the shot blocker (Asik? Sanders?) and go from there.
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Post by jmei on Jun 5, 2014 7:40:22 GMT -5
Not that the Celtics would have the cap space/assets to add Carmelo anyways, but I think Jeff Green is a fine third-banana wing scorer. He doesn't have the handle to take a guy in 1 on 1 iso situations, but he's a great shooter and athlete who can attack guys trying to close out on him and get to/finish at the rim on straight-line drives. Rondo and Love are pretty ball-dominant offensive players, and they don't need that third guy to be a super high-usage player or really even a guy who can create his own shot. This Jackie Mac article is a pretty realistic take on the situation: espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/11033627/kevin-love-landing-boston-celtics-far-slam-dunkI think Love is committed to forcing a trade, but the real question is whether any of the teams with potentially better trade packages (Cleveland, maybe Chicago or Phoenix or Golden State) are willing to make any of their young studs available (think the first overall pick, Butler/Gibson, Dragic or Bledsoe, Klay Thompson). I think a Boston offer of #6, Sullinger, cap relief, and two or three first-round picks is easily enough to trump anything teams like the Kings or Lakers or Rockets can offer, but the Timberwolves prefer more of a sure-thing young player. Of the above teams, I think Phoenix and Golden State are the ones to watch out for-- both those front offices are willing to take a risk and will both covet a player of Love's caliber.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 11, 2014 13:33:35 GMT -5
Thoughts on Thaddeus Young? In response to a proposed Laker/Sixer trade (Nash's contract + 7th pick for Young + 10), Chad Ford suggested the Cs could be interested in that type of deal (I would assume it would be 6 + Trade Exception for Young + 10).
Philly would likely target one of the PFs (Randle or Vonleh) and Boston could get a now contributor in Young and still get a guy at 10 that they may deem comparable (could be a spot for Saric if they like him).
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jun 11, 2014 14:15:18 GMT -5
Thoughts on Thaddeus Young? In response to a proposed Laker/Sixer trade (Nash's contract + 7th pick for Young + 10), Chad Ford suggested the Cs could be interested in that type of deal (I would assume it would be 6 + Trade Exception for Young + 10). Philly would likely target one of the PFs (Randle or Vonleh) and Boston could get a now contributor in Young and still get a guy at 10 that they may deem comparable (could be a spot for Saric if they like him). if they would take Gerald Wallace. I would be interested in such a trade. Anything else probably not.
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Post by jmei on Jun 11, 2014 14:23:06 GMT -5
Thoughts on Thaddeus Young? In response to a proposed Laker/Sixer trade (Nash's contract + 7th pick for Young + 10), Chad Ford suggested the Cs could be interested in that type of deal (I would assume it would be 6 + Trade Exception for Young + 10). Philly would likely target one of the PFs (Randle or Vonleh) and Boston could get a now contributor in Young and still get a guy at 10 that they may deem comparable (could be a spot for Saric if they like him). He's a good player, but he's another power forward who would deserve a lot of playing time, and PF is crowded as it is. You could play him at SF, but he's not really a perimeter player (can't shoot well enough to space the floor or defend quicker wings), and a lot of his offense comes from being quicker than the PFs guarding him. I don't really see the fit.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 11, 2014 14:54:16 GMT -5
That's what I thought. Always felt like a tweener to me but I've never watched him play much (outside of those games against Boston).
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 11, 2014 20:34:24 GMT -5
To be completely fair, Thad is a much better player than any current option the C's have at PF, Jeff Green included. He's a guy any GM would love to steal, but not actually trade anything valuable for.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 12, 2014 5:53:29 GMT -5
Julius Randle will need surgery on his foot and be out for 2 months per Yahoo.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 17, 2014 14:57:12 GMT -5
For every positive report about our chances of getting Love, there is bound to be a negative one but here's the latest from Chad Ford's latest mock:
"The Celtics are trying hard to use pick No. 6 and 17 along with future No. 1s and young players such as Jared Sullinger or Kelly Olynyk to persuade the Minnesota Timberwolves to trade them Kevin Love. One source close to the Wolves said that while Flip Saunders does not want to trade Love, he realizes the team likely will lose him this summer and the package the Celtics are offering is probably the best he's going to get."
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2014 9:39:01 GMT -5
One week out and here is the latest (per Basketball Insiders' Steve Kyler - though he's likely pulling information from others like the Herald's Steve Bulpett) on some of the Kevin Love offers out there:
Golden State - David Lee, Harrison Barnes (GS refuses to part with Klay Thompson) and future 1sts Chicago - Taj Gibson, either Jimmy Butler or Tony Snell and possibly both 1st rounders this year (16 and 19) Denver (1st reported by SB) - Kenneth Faried, Wilson Chandler and either the 11th pick or a player acquired using that pick like Arron Afflalo (if it's the pick, then a salary would have to be thrown in, Kyler speculates on Danilo Gallinari's involvement).
Boston, meanwhile, is offering #6, #17, 2 future 1sts (Kyler references THE pick from BRK but since they have 2 and the right to switch in a 3rd year, I'm not sure which are actually being offered) plus 1 of Sullinger and Olynyk (Boston would need to match salaries, likely involving some combinations that include Bass and/or Bogans - I doubt Green is in the discussion but that's just my opinion). EDIT: Forgot Boston's trade exception.
My uninformed gut tells me that Minnesota would want Boston to make a better offer. While Sully would appear to have a chance at being the best player offered (going forward at least), there is definitely uncertainty there (his back, his weight, etc). That being said, don't you have to walk away from this deal with a top 10 pick in this draft if your Minny? Despite better current players in the other offers, Boston's is the only one that gives you a chance at acquiring a player who can produce at the level of Kevin Love (however small, it's a better chance than the next to 0 chances of any of the other names being as productive).
So if Boston can get a 3rd team involved to get Minnesota a very good "right now" player (using 17 and a future pick?) then I would think that player + Sully + #6 + an additional 1st rounder would get it done (if you line that offer up next to the others). How possible is that and how willing is Boston remains to be seen (since they'd still need some assets to get other players over the course of the offseason and into the deadline next year).
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 19, 2014 11:01:17 GMT -5
And now Embiid injures his foot and might slide. Boom
Also all this trade proposals with the Celtics trading all these picks I guess they all assume Love would sign an extension right away right?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2014 11:07:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I just saw that. Wow! Danny suggested that he'd trade for a star player without a guarantee for an extension. Love does best if he doesn't extend (there are comparisons of the contracts he can sign depending on whether it's an extension, new contract with his current team or new contract with a new team - in both of the last 2 cases it would be after an opt out). Hey, maybe we don't trade for him and we just sign him as a Free Agent next year.
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Post by jmei on Jun 19, 2014 11:29:04 GMT -5
You can't stack the trade exception with other pieces, so Bogans/Bass would likely have to be a part of any Kevin Love deal.
The Boston offer clearly has the highest upside out of all of the above offers, but is probably also the weakest in terms of current production. For a rebuilding team, that's the kind of offer you'd want, but Flip Saunders might want more of a win-now package. I'm kind of hesitant to give up both #6 and #17, but if that's what it takes, I'll do so. It will also be interesting to see whether teams like Houston and Phoenix can make an interesting offer. A sign-and-traded Eric Bledsoe would make a nice foundation for a deal that delivers both production and upside.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2014 12:27:38 GMT -5
Yeah I think Boston's offer has the highest upside and if you need to, combine some of the picks to go to a 3rd team and get an actual player to move to Minny. My biggest concern is that, while Love/Rondo would be a great improvement and fun team to watch, they'd still need additional assets to fill in other key roles (especially a shot-blocking C).
I'm not sure on Phoenix. If your offer is based on Bledsoe, you'd a) have to wait until July I believe (not huge, but you'd have to make sure the deal is agreed to otherwise, the other trade partners may have used their assets already) and b) you'd have to get the RFA to agree to go to Minnesota. With someone like, say, Bradley, you could do so by overpaying him. I think Bledsoe is going to get his money either way (making Minnesota a less attractive option).
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