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Post by jmei on Jun 25, 2014 11:54:50 GMT -5
Would you do this three-way trade, with the Celtics also getting the 8th overall pick from Sacramento? espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qgzqt5qIt loads the roster up with power forwards, but they get to dump Wallace's contract while taking back a far less onerous one in Carl Landry. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 25, 2014 14:00:34 GMT -5
While I think Detroit should just be happy with getting out from under that contract, I think they would say that Josh Smith has to be worth something and taking back J Terry and the terrible contract of G Wallace might not be sufficient. Maybe take out Terry and replace with Thompson? Or give Boston Thompson and give Detroit Williams???
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Post by ctfisher on Jun 25, 2014 15:26:51 GMT -5
Bill Simmons had us doing something like this: espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jvkdnfp, while also including the 8th pick for us. I think in order for Detroit to take that deal, we'd probably have to give up the 17th pick, although if I were Detroit, I'd be trying harder to get some value back for Greg Monroe, I think Smith and Drummond would be an absolutely terrifying front line if they could get some shooting in the backcourt/on the wing, and a sign and trade of monroe to the right team might bring back more, cause Smith's contract looks terrible right now |
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jun 25, 2014 19:32:51 GMT -5
Dallas just loves to be the 8th seed in the west.
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Post by jmei on Jun 26, 2014 7:23:23 GMT -5
Now that Asik and Chandler have been traded, there aren't many rim protectors left that the Celtics could acquire this offseason. Chad Ford mentioned on his podcast with Simmons and it looks like Love is headed to Golden State. It's increasingly looking like Ainge is hoping that Embiid falls to 6. Wonder if Rondo will get traded to some surprise team that comes out of nowhere (Houston?).
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Post by texs31 on Jun 26, 2014 7:53:09 GMT -5
Ford just tweeted that, last night, Cleveland was calling to see what teams would offer for the #4 and #12, a hint that they might be looking at the Orlando deal more intently.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 26, 2014 9:41:02 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jun 26, 2014 18:55:50 GMT -5
Goddamn Sixers.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 26, 2014 18:57:34 GMT -5
Goddamn Ping Pong Balls
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Post by jmei on Jun 26, 2014 19:03:19 GMT -5
Didn't see the Magic taking Gordon.
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Post by jmei on Jun 26, 2014 19:15:06 GMT -5
Marcus Smart. I like the pick, love the player, but worry he can't coexist with Rondo.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 26, 2014 19:16:41 GMT -5
Marcus Smart. I like the pick, love the player, but worry he can't coexist with Rondo. I don't think you'll have to worry about that past the trade deadline. |
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Post by ianrs on Jun 26, 2014 19:22:22 GMT -5
I also think Rondo will be gone. I'm excited to see who the Celtics snag with their next pick - wonder if there will be any valuable big men left on the board.
Really like the Smart pick. Love the body and competitiveness.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 26, 2014 19:35:35 GMT -5
I hoping Rodney Hood is the guy that slips to 17.
And I'm still hoping that Stauskas was picked for the Celtics as part of a Rondo deal.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 26, 2014 19:50:00 GMT -5
I'm just glad we didn't take Randle.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 26, 2014 20:21:01 GMT -5
Harris and Hood are on the board.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 26, 2014 20:29:32 GMT -5
James Young SG Kentucky
Another good pick.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 26, 2014 20:30:33 GMT -5
The future backcourt. Smart - Young.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 26, 2014 23:12:37 GMT -5
Getting Smart and Young at 6 and 17 is pretty incredible.
You have to think Rondo and Bradley are gone, though ... not because they play the same positions as Smart/Young, but because the Celtics seem ready to go into full rebuilt mode.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2014 6:16:40 GMT -5
In post-draft comments, Danny referred to Young as the prototypical SF.
I'm quite interested to see what this means for Bradley. He's still young enough to be on the next good Cs team but do you meet the price tag if you are in a rebuild mode?
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jun 27, 2014 10:03:49 GMT -5
Overall, I think that Danny & co. did the best with what was given to them. I feel like the 5 players that they would've picked ahead of Smart went 1-5. Not to mention how now all the Kings have to offer is 2-guards, which we just drafted at least 1 of between Smart and Young. Right now I'm frustrated with the rest of the league not making decisions that are good through green-tinted glasses (bye-bye Asik-Love front court dreams). I'm sure that some trades that make sense will show up at some point during the offseason, but right now it looks pretty bleak on the Love and Rondo fronts. The long-term rebuilding process also isn't looking as bright as it was 24 hours ago.
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Post by jmei on Jun 27, 2014 10:47:46 GMT -5
Yeah, this was a pretty fireworks-less draft, which is the worst of all worlds to me. We'll see, interesting things will still likely happen before the 2014-15 season kicks off.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 27, 2014 10:55:36 GMT -5
I've been reading around and some people seem frustrated. It is clear that Minnesota won't just trade Kevin Love for picks which would have been the main draws of any C's offer and as much as the C's wanted to move into the top of the draft they just didn't have enough ammunition, specially for a draft considered strong like this.
I've seen the where is trader Danny? Why stand pat? Etc etc but there were no trades at the top everyone stood pat and took their player. This class has been thought of as one of the best in years and it made sense teams stood pat and made their pick.
One thing for the rest of the off-season is that if they are keeping Rondo they need to at least make bigger effort to make the playoffs, in the east you need about 30 wins, or it doesn't make sense. They can't be in between, they either need to go down (trade Rondo and go young) or go up and add pieces to get bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs, with Rondo subsequently leaving for nothing. I know which one looks better right now.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jun 27, 2014 11:17:08 GMT -5
I think that Gordon going at #4 hurt them a lot. I know I'm re-writing history, but if they get Gordon at 6 then the Kings trade makes so much more sense if you get Smart/Payton at 8 and Mclemore (plus something else), thus making a full transition to young mode, despite getting a low return for Rondo. Now Orlando has their pg so cross them off of the Rondo list, the Kings no longer make sense, the Rockets still don't have the assets, I guess the Raptors could swing something, but I'd hate to trade him in the division and he probably wouldn't re-sign there. Danny is adamant about getting full value in trades and the celtics value Rondo very highly, but I think they would have done the Kings deal, if the draft board shook out their way, in order to commit to going young.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2014 11:30:45 GMT -5
A few post-draft comments/questions:
1. For most of the last several weeks, I was against the idea of drafting Aaron Gordon and now that Orlando took him 4, I'm disappointed . . . and for a very irrational reason. In recent days, I read where Giannis Antetokounmpo grew a couple inches. All of a sudden, I started think (again, irrationally), "What if AG grows a couple of inches? C's would have a 6'10" to 6'11" atheltic freak who works his but off on D and his shooting deficiences become less of a concern.
2. Part of me is glad that Joel Embiid wasn't an option. This was SUCH a crucial draft for Boston and, while I agree they would've had to take him, what if the injuries really do cause long-term problems? That would set the rebuild process back significantly
3. Strange tweet (with little/no follow up) #1: I don't recall who it was (Mannix, Ford, Stein, or someone else) but shortly before the Boston pick, one of them tweeted that Boston/Sacramento were in trade talks with Ben McLemore for #6 being the discussion. I almost lost my mind. No way. Then Boston made the pick and I started thinking that maybe (hopefully) it was #8 and McLemore for #6. That didn't seem likely but Sacramento seemed desparate for a PG . . . I was expecting Vonleh to go 8 and maybe the trade was consumated (maybe 6 and 17, for 8 and McLemore???). But then Sacramento took Stauskas and the idea of trading Smart for 2 one-dimensional SGs made little sense. There were no follow up tweets (during the draft, the usual suspects typically followed up such reports with a "retraction" or some other explanation of why it didn't happen. Oh well. Nothing to see here . . . I suppose.
4. Strange tweet (with little/no follow up) #2: Ric Bucher tweeted that Miami's plan was to S&T for Kyle Lowry (later tweet suggested that Norris Cole would be involved). Part 2 of this was that Bosh would opt out and go to Toronto. The idea was that Melo would go to Miami and they'd have a Big 4 of Bron/Wade/Melo/Lowry. The biggest question I had was how did Bron/Wade convince Bosh to help them build a better team without him ("So, uh, Chris. Thanks for joining us and helping us win some rings but maybe you should go now. To Toronto. But, seriously, thanks. BTW - those constant photo bombs were HI-larious. So . . . bye.")
I'm sure there will be more random thoughts but I'll keep it to this. I'm sure we're all trying to figure out "what's next"
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