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Post by Guidas on Aug 7, 2014 21:47:26 GMT -5
What if Craig truly is an ankle sprain? You mean the walking embodiment of an ankle sprain, right? In corporeal form, yes. And metaphorically.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 7, 2014 21:49:09 GMT -5
How does Craig fit into cherrington's long term plans for the sox? High OBP LF with 20+ HRs due to park effects.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 7, 2014 22:00:18 GMT -5
How does Craig fit into cherrington's long term plans for the sox? High OBP LF with 20+ HRs due to park effects. So was Josh Reddick and we traded him for a bum
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Post by jmei on Aug 7, 2014 22:02:29 GMT -5
It's probably best for Betts to get AB's at Pawtucket it Farrell isn't going to play Betts, except USUALLY against LH pitching, but you have to wonder what is going on when one of the 10 worst teams in the league can't find full time AB's for it's best prospect over platooning him with a 31YO ultra light hitting veteran who is at best a 4th OF. There just aren't full-time at-bats for Betts. Bradley and Cespedes need to play just about every day, and Nava and Holt soak up most of the rest of the playing time in the outfield. You can't just sit a productive veteran for two months-- this isn't fantasy baseball, and doing something like that will piss people off (see what's happening in Houston). Plus, Nava only has the equivalent of two full seasons' worth of PAs, and the front office would be well served using the rest of this season to figure out exactly how much they can rely on him going forward.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 7, 2014 22:03:20 GMT -5
Watching this offense is painful!
Cruel and unusual punishment.
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Post by jmei on Aug 7, 2014 22:04:04 GMT -5
How does Craig fit into cherrington's long term plans for the sox? High OBP LF with 20+ HRs due to park effects. He'll still have to get traded, though. Once Cherington picks up Stanton and Heyward, where will he play?
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Post by jmei on Aug 7, 2014 22:06:10 GMT -5
Xander's plate discipline is still all messed up (the lack of walks is troubling, and he's still striking out a lot), but he's been hitting the ball hard lately. Baby steps.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 7, 2014 22:21:35 GMT -5
Was hoping to see hembree tonight.
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 7, 2014 22:32:19 GMT -5
I played around a little bit with the BR stats. At first glance, it doesn't look like Workman is any worse third time around than RDLR, certainly not to the point of saying he's not a starter.
That said, I don't think he's a starter, and he was already an important RP on a WS winning team. Could see him, Webster plus a couple new guys being trade bait this offseason to acquire another OF who can't get on base more than 30% of the time.
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 7, 2014 22:32:42 GMT -5
High OBP LF with 20+ HRs due to park effects. He'll still have to get traded, though. Once Cherington picks up Stanton and Heyward, where will he play? In traffic?
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 8, 2014 0:13:21 GMT -5
i didn't like the lackey trade at all, we should of got Taveras. not some broken down bum who was batting 237 and is ALREADY on the DL and hasn't been here more then a week. Lets think of it this way, there is a reason why the Cardinals we're quick to give him up. Craig was injured, we got robbed in this trade. Dumb.
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Post by godot on Aug 8, 2014 0:53:14 GMT -5
Lester with a neat three hit shut out, and gee, Ross wasn't catching. If he was with the Sox and threw a shut out, he would lose.
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Post by danr on Aug 8, 2014 0:55:36 GMT -5
i didn't like the lackey trade at all, we should of got Taveras. not some broken down bum who was batting 237 and is ALREADY on the DL and hasn't been here more then a week. Lets think of it this way, there is a reason why the Cardinals we're quick to give him up. Craig was injured, we got robbed in this trade. Dumb. Kelly, alone, was worth the trade. Cherington made it fairly clear that he was the key to the trade. Craig will be better by next year when it will mean something, if he still is with the Sox.
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Post by widewordofsport on Aug 8, 2014 1:05:22 GMT -5
I HATED the trade for Craig, but only because I knew nothing of Kelly. I don't know a good comp, but he's good three pitches and some oomph on his FB. Good pickup there.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 8, 2014 6:42:43 GMT -5
High OBP LF with 20+ HRs due to park effects. So was Josh Reddick and we traded him for a bum Josh Reddick is a high OBP guy?
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Post by nexus on Aug 8, 2014 7:24:39 GMT -5
I HATED the trade for Craig, but only because I knew nothing of Kelly. I don't know a good comp, but he's good three pitches and some oomph on his FB. Good pickup there. I don't understand this. The only reason you should HATE the Craig part is if you are absolutely convinced the '14 version is what we should expect moving forward. His 139 wRC+ from 2011-2013 was good for 16th best in the league, ahead of CarGo, J. Upton, and Longoria just to name a few. Throw in the fact he's barely 30 and under an incredibly reasonable contract and I fail to see how anyone couldn't view this as a big win for this Red Sox team sorely lacking an offensive punch. And if he does turn out to be finished at 30? The Sox are out $26.5M over a 3 year period. Whoopty doo.
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Post by jmei on Aug 8, 2014 7:31:22 GMT -5
we should of got Taveras. Holy unrealistic expectations Batman.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 8, 2014 8:20:32 GMT -5
i didn't like the lackey trade at all, we should of got Taveras. not some broken down bum who was batting 237 and is ALREADY on the DL and hasn't been here more then a week. Lets think of it this way, there is a reason why the Cardinals we're quick to give him up. Craig was injured, we got robbed in this trade. Dumb. Pete, you are like the radiator in my first apartment. If you loosened the nozzle just a little bit, the apartment would get hotter than Florida in July. Otherwise, there would be no heat at all. It's great to show your emotions on the board but perhaps you can temper it back from extreme happiness/frustration to something not at the polar opposites. Thx.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 8, 2014 8:23:30 GMT -5
I'm at the point where I trust Ben with these trades.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 8, 2014 8:26:58 GMT -5
High OBP LF with 20+ HRs due to park effects. So was Josh Reddick and we traded him for a bum Two bums. And I'm still bitter about that, as well.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 8, 2014 8:33:43 GMT -5
So was Josh Reddick and we traded him for a bum Josh Reddick is a high OBP guy? Reddick is the perfect plus D platoon LH OF who can play all three OF positions. He hits righties well and if you run the same park effect algorithym with him vs RHP you get a .340 OBP with 20+ HRs. He would be a great guy to have had will all Victorino's ills. Water under the bridge. But bad trade, no doubt.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 8, 2014 8:34:01 GMT -5
I'm at the point where I trust Ben with these trades. Trust...then verify. We'll see whether it's good management.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2014 8:41:50 GMT -5
So was Josh Reddick and we traded him for a bum Two bums. And I'm still bitter about that, as well. Me too. Who knows, maybe with Reddick in RF instead of Victorino last year, we coulda been Champions of the World. And yes, it does work like that.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 8, 2014 8:53:33 GMT -5
High OBP LF with 20+ HRs due to park effects. So was Josh Reddick and we traded him for a bum Reddick was just about everything but a high OBP guy. His career mark is .303 and his career high is .327. He can slug, run the bases, and play great defense, but he is not even a decent on base guy, let alone a high on base guy. For comparison's sake, Craig's career average OBP is .343 and his career high is last year's .373. If Reddick was a high on base guy on top of everything else he'd never have gotten traded, and if Tavaras was an option in the Lackey deal, Ben would have gotten carpal tunnel signing that deal. I'm not the greatest fan of the Lackey deal either (I don't know much about Kelly to be excited about him and I really wanted their competitive balance pick, and I don't think we should have given up Littrell either) but one should at least criticize it for the right reasons.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2014 9:15:28 GMT -5
To put an end to the speculation about the situation: The Red Sox, for their part, wouldn’t have dealt for Craig if they didn’t believe his future would look a lot like his past. They don’t believe there are long-term risks with Craig, who’s signed through 2017.
“The long-term prognosis is very good,” general manager Ben Cherington said Wednesday. “There’s no concern about whether he’s going to be OK to play and feel good and be completely healthy…. We had access to everything [before the trade], and obviously he’s had stuff. We didn’t have any concern about whether this was a long-term risk.” www.providencejournal.com/sports/red-sox/content/20140807-why-the-red-sox-and-allen-craig-are-confident-hell-bounce-back.ece
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