wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 23, 2015 8:06:07 GMT -5
If you're a grown man and you're crying over the amount of air in a football, you should probably be institutionalized.
What planet am I on right now?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 23, 2015 8:56:11 GMT -5
Philosophical question: If Active Player X says "In 2013, I used steroids all year but the league didn't catch me". What would happen to him? Does the league have to catch him in the act? Of course, I ask bc I would assume that player can still be punished (maybe that's a big assumption). And if that player can be punished, and Brady and the Pats get punished for this incident (which I assume is what's going to happen0, why wouldn't the league go back and punish Aaron Rodgers for admitting to doctoring the football to the point of making it outside the rules? Aaron Rodgers may be the biggest pickle in the world. He admits to doing the same thing just in the opposite direction but then cries about them deflating balls because it's an unfair advantage. It's ok to over inflate because it's not an advantage but under inflating is. Yet he admitted that he can't throw and under inflated ball and that he throws and over inflated one better. So to recap: he's ok with over inflating because it's not an advantage but he does it to gain an advantage. He's not ok with under inflating because it gives an unfair advantage, but he can't throw an under inflated ball as well so there is no advantage for him. Seriously man get a grip. It's unfortunate he's turning into such a douche. What happens to QBs in GB after years of success? Maybe it's the small town thing. |
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Post by rangoon82 on Jan 23, 2015 11:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 23, 2015 11:54:38 GMT -5
But they didn't know! The effects are impossible to see by the trainers and strength coaches. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 23, 2015 13:05:40 GMT -5
The good news is it looks like Stork is going to play.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 23, 2015 14:16:34 GMT -5
According to the NFL the balls were properly inflated for the 2nd half. Can anybody tell me the score in the 2nd half?
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Post by jmei on Jan 23, 2015 16:31:27 GMT -5
"Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game."
This is the part of the NFL's statement that damns with faint praise. Their statement went through a half-dozen lawyers before it got released, and the fact that this language is this watered down suggests that they do not yet know for sure that the officials' inspections of the footballs adequately determined that the footballs were inflated to the required degree.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 23, 2015 16:45:19 GMT -5
Im guessing Brady and Belicheck wouldn't have taken the "deny till you die" approach unless they were pretty sure all their bases were covered.
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Post by bjb406 on Jan 23, 2015 20:17:12 GMT -5
I decided to do the math. The difference in 10.5 and 12.5 psig equates do a 40 degree F temperature drop. That is before considering air that may have leaked due to hard use. A difference of 25 degrees F, which is about the difference in game time temp and room temp, would equate to a difference of about 1.3 psi. So even if you assume absolutely nothing leaked out during the game, then even if someone did let out some air on purpose, it was not more than 0.7 psi, which is like, why even bother. That is only 2.5 percent of the pressure it started with. There is no way someone would conspire to do something so insignificant. Furthermore, even if someone were to try to get around the pressure specifications, surely they would not be stupid enough to illegally let air out of the ball, when you could create the exact same effect by filling the balls with hot air in the first place, which would be entirely within the rules.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 23, 2015 20:45:50 GMT -5
Perhaps thats why Brady specifically mentioned his preference was 12.5 psi
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Post by costpet on Jan 23, 2015 22:15:40 GMT -5
Hi! Anyone want to talk about the game? No? I thought not.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 24, 2015 17:10:06 GMT -5
Belichik did a great job at that press conference, and I 100% believe him.
I work for a large regional tire company and have a lot of experience with how heat effects tire pressure. The average tire will lose 1 psi for every 10 degree drop of temperature and when the temperature goes back up, the inflation pressure will only increase by some fraction of that. This makes perfect sense because the air molecules are smaller when it is colder - causing the pressure to drop and also causing more of the air to dissipate naturally through the rubber. This aligns with what Belichick said about the footballs.
In addition, tire pressure must be set when the tires are cold. According to the Rubber Manufacturers Association, a "hot" tire will read 2-4 psi higher than a cold tire. They also say that it takes 2-3 hours of a car sitting still for a tire to fully return to "cold" pressure. Again, this aligns perfectly with what Belichick talked about.
I also did a study a few years ago where we took three digital tire gauges and checked the pressures of tires and found there was a 2 psi swing depending on the gauge used.
So if the footballs were worked to be "hot", it makes perfect sense that the officials would set the pressures and then they would drop in the hours before the game started. The 1 psi also makes perfect sense because a football carries about 1/3 the pressure of a tire. The 1.5 psi drop during the game also makes sense since the game temperature was about 50 degrees compared to an indoor temperature of 70 degrees. For tires that would be on average a 2 psi drop compared to a football being just over 1 psi. The balls then gained back .5 psi when they were returned to the indoor conditions.
Also, tires that are used off road will loose air at a greater rate than those used on road. The consistent impacts will cause the tires to dissipate air at a faster rate… and if rubber is porous, a pigs bladder is likely even more so.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jan 24, 2015 18:03:13 GMT -5
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Post by ray88h66 on Jan 25, 2015 13:50:17 GMT -5
I'm more troubled by coach spending two days on deflategate than anything else. I don't know if the Pats cheated or not. I know I don't care what coach thinks of the science on Saturday after "knowing nothing "on Thursday. The investigation by the NFL will take until after the SB. Concentrate on winning the game and let the chips fall where they fall. I liked the I don't give a crap what people think coach better.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 25, 2015 17:29:00 GMT -5
Yeah, this is why I got angry at this whole thing from the start. It was an unneeded distraction, that might or might not affect the players, but just that there is a possibility that it does affect is awful.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 25, 2015 20:27:22 GMT -5
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/#comments"But what has the NFL really found? As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI. ...Complicating matters for the NFL is that the bat initially was swung by Mike Kensil, a former employee of the Jets with a reputation among the Patriots for being an agitator. (Kensil’s father, Jim, served as president of the Jets for 10 years from the late 1970s to the late 1980s.) And so on the same day that the tampering charges filed by the Patriots against the Jets over Darrelle Revis became the latest chapter in a longstanding feud between the franchises, the tentacles of acrimony between the two franchises found a way to erupt into a brouhaha unlike many the NFL ever has seen." Well there you go. Add in the fact Goodell is from New York and also a former Jets employee... He must go.
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Post by nhdave on Jan 25, 2015 22:59:00 GMT -5
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/#comments"But what has the NFL really found? As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI. ...Complicating matters for the NFL is that the bat initially was swung by Mike Kensil, a former employee of the Jets with a reputation among the Patriots for being an agitator. (Kensil’s father, Jim, served as president of the Jets for 10 years from the late 1970s to the late 1980s.) And so on the same day that the tampering charges filed by the Patriots against the Jets over Darrelle Revis became the latest chapter in a longstanding feud between the franchises, the tentacles of acrimony between the two franchises found a way to erupt into a brouhaha unlike many the NFL ever has seen." Well there you go. Add in the fact Goodell is from New York and also a former Jets employee... He must go. I read this too... Florio seems to be flipping back to the "pats are innocent" side. tho he can't seem to restrain himself by putting patriots stories because of the high amount of user clicks they always draw. I really hope the patriots win, and simply walk off the field. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 26, 2015 8:21:51 GMT -5
So interesting that the one ball that was intercepted was found to be more deflated than any of the other balls. How did that happen?
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Post by costpet on Jan 26, 2015 10:24:34 GMT -5
Here's what I think. It happens a lot more than people realize. All over the league, in fact. In college, too. The doctoring of footballs is almost normal. I think the NFL realizes that, so they won't punish the Pats at all. However, they might change the way the game balls are handled. Like locking them up until game time. Then, nobody can change them or be accused of anything. This whole thing has taken away from the SB hype, which the league hates. So, they'll let them off and try to shift the story to the game itself.
PS. I wouldn't mind if someone cuts off Sherman's knees. In fact, I'd like it a lot.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 26, 2015 11:01:18 GMT -5
My gf's dad has been a high school football coach in Maine for like 30 years and he said that every single high school, college and pro team does whatever it wants to footballs continually. It's a non-story. This is equivalent to the pine-tar bat incident with George Brett, albeit it didn't change the outcome of the game. There should be zero punishment. They should just get rid of the rule and let teams do whatever they want to the ball, similar to how they have different balls for kicking.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 26, 2015 11:20:24 GMT -5
My gf's dad has been a high school football coach in Maine for like 30 years and he said that every single high school, college and pro team does whatever it wants to footballs continually. It's a non-story. This is equivalent to the pine-tar bat incident with George Brett, albeit it didn't change the outcome of the game. There should be zero punishment. They should just get rid of the rule and let teams do whatever they want to the ball, similar to how they have different balls for kicking. What high school was it? I'm from maine originally. Anyway, more and more reports are coming out that the Ex-Jets exec was the driving force behind this sting operation. Its quickly becoming more of an embarrassment for the NFL than the Patriots. Edit: This Jets guy was also apparently Mortensen and Kravitz' source. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 26, 2015 12:11:28 GMT -5
My gf's dad has been a high school football coach in Maine for like 30 years and he said that every single high school, college and pro team does whatever it wants to footballs continually. It's a non-story. This is equivalent to the pine-tar bat incident with George Brett, albeit it didn't change the outcome of the game. There should be zero punishment. They should just get rid of the rule and let teams do whatever they want to the ball, similar to how they have different balls for kicking. What high school was it? I'm from maine originally. Anyway, more and more reports are coming out that the Ex-Jets exec was the driving force behind this sting operation. Its quickly becoming more of an embarrassment for the NFL than the Patriots. Edit: This Jets guy was also apparently Mortensen and Kravitz' source. Bucksport. Actually, I exaggerated. It has been 21 years. And yeah, this entire thing is an embarrassment. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 26, 2015 13:02:56 GMT -5
Here's what I think. It happens a lot more than people realize. All over the league, in fact. In college, too. The doctoring of footballs is almost normal. I think the NFL realizes that, so they won't punish the Pats at all. However, they might change the way the game balls are handled. Like locking them up until game time. Then, nobody can change them or be accused of anything. This whole thing has taken away from the SB hype, which the league hates. So, they'll let them off and try to shift the story to the game itself. PS. I wouldn't mind if someone cuts off Sherman's knees. In fact, I'd like it a lot. The NFL ran a sting operation on the Patriots so I don't think the NFL is okay with this. They wanted to catch them in the act and then do god knows what to them. Problem is the NFL has nothing but under inflated balls. They have no proof how it happened and now they are starting to look real bad. My two cents is that the Pats didn't break any rules, they just bent them. I think the Pats inflated the balls in a room where the temp was really high, knowing the balls would lose psi in the colder temps. Per NFL rules that is not against the rules because the rules only state they have to be at 12.5 to 13.5 when checked by Refs before game. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 26, 2015 17:53:08 GMT -5
Locker room attendent is reportedly a "strong person of interest"
Im starting to wonder how the NFL would turn something like this into a witch hunt. I can't even imagine the NBA doing this let alone the MLB or NHL. Its ridiculous they let an ex-Jet run this thing.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jan 26, 2015 21:21:06 GMT -5
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