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Post by adamoraz on Aug 28, 2016 16:55:33 GMT -5
How has he looked defensively at 3B so far?
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 28, 2016 17:22:07 GMT -5
“@ryanhannable: Red Sox have had discussions about bringing Yoan Moncada up once rosters expand, but haven’t made a decision one way or the other.” the way Shaw and Hill are "performing" I have a feeling we won't be yearning for Yoan in the bigs come September |
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Post by bookiemetts on Aug 28, 2016 17:48:20 GMT -5
How has he looked defensively at 3B so far? Apparently he's looked pretty good out there. Here's one play he made: |
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Post by adamoraz on Aug 28, 2016 22:29:31 GMT -5
Nice! Thanks for posting that. Glad to see he's making tnhe adjustment.
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Post by azblue on Aug 29, 2016 10:37:28 GMT -5
When you look at Moncada's performance against left handed pitchers, it does not require special expertise to see that he has a great deal to work on before he is major league ready. There are some interesting positive signs in his SSS in Portland, but the 45% K rate and low on base percentage (among other indicators) are concerning. If he is called up in September, he might be an automatic out against lefties and too new tp third base to get starts there. He would likely be limited to pinch running. Is he that savvy as a base runner to be trusted in critical situations? Speed alone is not enough. Worlds of talent, but seasoning is so important. Split batting right handed: www.soxprospects.com/stats/batter.php?split=4&player=660162 |
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Post by nomar on Aug 29, 2016 10:52:44 GMT -5
A 27.1 K% vs RHP isn't pretty either. He has to put the ball in play more often.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 29, 2016 12:04:30 GMT -5
Last year Moncada had exactly the opposite in terms of L/R splits. He crushed lefties and was okay against righties. Granted it was a smaller sample and against weaker pitching, and the K rate doesn't lie, but are we sure he's really that much worse as a LHB and a large part of it isn't just noise?
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 29, 2016 12:39:58 GMT -5
Anybody still see moncada coming up in September? I see AFL. Learn to play 3rd at a comfortable level and someone needs to work with him on the high number of strikeouts. Improve in these two areas and I see a july callup to test the waters. Agree that he has a higher ceiling than beni but beni is ready to play in the bigs now.
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Post by mandelbro on Aug 29, 2016 12:46:40 GMT -5
Last year Moncada had exactly the opposite in terms of L/R splits. He crushed lefties and was okay against righties. Granted it was a smaller sample and against weaker pitching, and the K rate doesn't lie, but are we sure he's really that much worse as a LHB and a large part of it isn't just noise? In my mind it's the combo of the numbers and the scouting takes on here that suggest he looks worse on the right. |
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Post by prangerx on Aug 29, 2016 13:20:40 GMT -5
They should call him up and have him start at third against Left Handers. If that doesn't work use him on the bench in the playoffs to steal bases.
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 29, 2016 13:25:52 GMT -5
Are a lot of his strikeouts due to trying to work the count too much? Sometimes being a bit more aggressive can lower the K rate. His walk rate is still great, so maybe being a bit more aggressive early will keep him from as many two strike counts.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 29, 2016 16:41:14 GMT -5
Anybody still see moncada coming up in September? I see AFL. Learn to play 3rd at a comfortable level and someone needs to work with him on the high number of strikeouts. Improve in these two areas and I see a july callup to test the waters. Agree that he has a higher ceiling than beni but beni is ready to play in the bigs now. FWIW, playing in the majors in September will not keep him from playing in the AFL, where it has already been reported that he'll be playing. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 29, 2016 16:43:15 GMT -5
Last year Moncada had exactly the opposite in terms of L/R splits. He crushed lefties and was okay against righties. Granted it was a smaller sample and against weaker pitching, and the K rate doesn't lie, but are we sure he's really that much worse as a LHB and a large part of it isn't just noise? In my mind it's the combo of the numbers and the scouting takes on here that suggest he looks worse on the right. This. His RH swing is noticeably worse (or "not as good" might be the better way to put it, if you catch my drift). He's pretty clearly not ready to face MLB LHPs. I think he'll be fine against MLB RHPs. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Aug 29, 2016 18:30:13 GMT -5
Yeah I mean it's not like the swing is terrible. He's very quick to the ball at least:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 20:48:22 GMT -5
The high strikeout total concerns me. If he is called up, I'm worried he would struggle in the same way Byron Buxton has. Buxton was rushed to the majors because the Twins thought he could make a difference just with his speed/defense while his bat developed. It didn't work. I'm worried the same thing would happen to Moncada.
On the other hand, I understand the argument that if he gets called up, struggles, and never recovers from it, he was probably never going to make it as a player anyway.
If he gets called up, I hope it's because the Red Sox think he's ready, and not because, "Well, he can't be worse than Travis Shaw."
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Post by jimoh on Aug 30, 2016 5:04:52 GMT -5
Yeah I mean it's not like the swing is terrible. He's very quick to the ball at least: 69.9 bat speed is a little low, no? I know bat speed is a lot lower than exit velocity, but this seems lower than others I've seen cited. |
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Post by jdb on Aug 30, 2016 8:49:17 GMT -5
I was thinking he would get a few months of ABs and some additional 3B work in the minors next season and was surprised to see he is under consideration for a Sept call up.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 30, 2016 8:54:56 GMT -5
There's almost no reason to bring him up.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 30, 2016 12:02:09 GMT -5
I was thinking he would get a few months of ABs and some additional 3B work in the minors next season and was surprised to see he is under consideration for a Sept call up. There's almost no reason to bring him up. They are talking about him filling the Dave Roberts / Quintin Berry pinch-running role in the post-season, with the obvious added bonus of his being able to play 2B and 3B and possibly do some damage from the left side. Teams usually carry a 5th bench player in the post-season. The other candidates are Rusney (.371 / .417 / .526 in his last 25 G / 108 PA) and Marco Hernandez. However, it makes some sense to keep Rusney off of the 40-man roster for a while further, waiting until next year to see if this for real. But see my post elsewhere. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 30, 2016 22:30:34 GMT -5
There's almost no reason to bring him up. Sure there is. Travis Shaw since May 3: .230/.298/.407. Travis Shaw since 8/9: .146/.255/.208. Their intentions were pretty obvious the second they had him start playing third base. The only question is whether the injury robbed him of enough at-bats (and still has him hobbled enough) that he's still not ready to help out. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 31, 2016 7:31:38 GMT -5
I'm all for it, but he's made three errors in nine games at third so far. If he does that in Boston in a pennant race and it costs them a game, I'm afraid we'll see Farrell just relegate him to pinch running/pinch hitting duties. Hope I'm wrong and I hope we at least get a chance to find out.
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Post by nomar on Aug 31, 2016 7:47:06 GMT -5
As much as I think Moncada isn't ready with his gaudy K rate, Joc Pederson and George Springer got off to fast starts before the league adjusted to them, and they have similar profiles. Maybe Moncada can ride a heat wave for a couple of months. He could take Shaw's RHP platoon spot, because Shaw is lost to the extent that he isn't even worth playing right now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2016 7:48:23 GMT -5
There's almost no reason to bring him up. Sure there is. Travis Shaw since May 3: .230/.298/.407. Travis Shaw since 8/9: .146/.255/.208. Their intentions were pretty obvious the second they had him start playing third base. The only question is whether the injury robbed him of enough at-bats (and still has him hobbled enough) that he's still not ready to help out. Yea, technically there is a reason but pragmatically there really isn't. Do we really think Moncada won't get eaten alive by major league pitching right now? That K rate is very disconcerting and I don't know why anyone would want to rush the number 1 prospect in the game when there is a major issue like that. Risk reward is not favorable. Seems reckless. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 31, 2016 7:49:10 GMT -5
Steamer projections
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Shaw: 93 (ZIPS 86)
Moncada: 80
Probably small enough difference to be worth a shot.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 31, 2016 9:13:15 GMT -5
This is at most tangential to the topic, but I just realized this yesterday and thought it was interesting.
The consensus all-world player right now, Mike Trout, has had a K rate around or over 25% in each of his first 5 full seasons. That's pretty steep for someone considered as valuable offensively as he is. Acceptance of K's is something that has evolved over the last few decades. Ted would be turning over in his grave thinking about it.
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