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Post by grandsalami on May 7, 2015 11:33:35 GMT -5
“@brianmacp: The Red Sox just announced the dismissal of pitching coach Juan Nieves.”
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Post by jrffam05 on May 7, 2015 11:35:48 GMT -5
He was probably the mastermind in the Mujica over Vavaro move
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Post by jmei on May 7, 2015 11:37:03 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 7, 2015 11:37:12 GMT -5
Ben Cherington is the guy who should go.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 7, 2015 11:38:52 GMT -5
Not sure what to make of this. Was he well liked by the players? Was there an argument...difference of philosophy? Has to be more the the story than just pitching under performance....which would lead one to believe he is being scapegoated
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Post by cologneredsox on May 7, 2015 11:43:54 GMT -5
... This has a chance to turn really ugly...
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 7, 2015 11:45:03 GMT -5
Jonathan Singer @jonathan_Singer
Juan Nieves is the fall guy for the terrible starting pitching in this rotation and bullpen put together by Cherington.
Totally agreed.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 7, 2015 11:45:15 GMT -5
This is really interesting to me. I thought Farrell was managing differently last night, much more urgency to his decisions. He put Tazawa into the game in the seventh, pinch ran for Ortiz ... and now this. I think the organizational meeting a couple days ago was a lot more pointed than the public comments seemed to suggest.
A manager doesn't jettison his pitching coach without some big pressure from above. I don't mean that as "Cherington told him to fire Nieves" (although that may or may not be true); it's more about Farrell's position in the organization. This shows that it is clearly weakening.
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Post by jdb on May 7, 2015 11:47:22 GMT -5
I don't think this is his fault he is working with the cards he was dealt but maybe it provides a wake up call to our staff.
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Post by grandsalami on May 7, 2015 11:47:46 GMT -5
Communication issues? Clubhouse issues?
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Post by GyIantosca on May 7, 2015 11:47:55 GMT -5
It sucks but something had to be done. I think Kipper should be promoted. If there going with young kids from AAA then who better to know what's going on. Maybe just till end of year?
Tazawa's arm is going to fall off.
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Post by grandsalami on May 7, 2015 11:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 7, 2015 11:52:06 GMT -5
The Red Sox acquired a bunch of ground ball pitchers this off season. A couple people had posted that, as a group, they were inducing fewer ground balls because they were throwing fewer sinkers. I thought that was a strange disconnect between off season strategy and in-game approach.
Right now I am really wishing that Cather or Sauveur were internal options.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 7, 2015 11:52:55 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that this is just about scapegoating someone or sending a message. Has to be something philosophical or otherwise going on behind the scenes. But we'll see - conference call at 2:15.
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Post by grandsalami on May 7, 2015 11:53:41 GMT -5
Can someone go back and see if taz gets into and argument with him yesterday?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 7, 2015 11:57:19 GMT -5
I don't think this is his fault he is working with the cards he was dealt but maybe it provides a wake up call to our staff. or maybe the players determine it is patently unfair and feel guilty about their performance costing a guy, they may like, his job. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 7, 2015 12:00:15 GMT -5
I wonder if he was vocally against the Mujica DFA. These 2 occurances happening so close together.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 7, 2015 12:04:56 GMT -5
Marino Pepén @marino_Pepen · 9m 9 minutes ago
FUENTE: Todo indica que John Henry luego de la reunión con Farrell, ha tomado el toro por los cuernos y nadie está seguro en #RedSox. #MLB
Source: Everything indicates that John Henry, after the meeting with Farrell, has taken the bull by the horns and no one is safe on the Red Sox.
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Post by James Dunne on May 7, 2015 12:13:30 GMT -5
I wonder if he was vocally against the Mujica DFA. These 2 occurances happening so close together. Just so we're on the same page, your theory is that the pitching coach may have lost his job for being too much of an advocate for the team's #7 reliever. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 12:16:06 GMT -5
Ben Cherington is the guy who should go. That's just ridiculous. Obviously things aren't going great right now, but there was little else he could do in the offseason and little anyone can do when everyone's results are worse than their peripherals and worse than expected before the season. I mean what should he have done instead? Our offense stinks right now, but he should have dumped Papi and Napoli before the season because they aren't hitting now? This lineup is going to mash eventually. All you can judge a GM on is what the team looked like on paper before they start playing. He cannot stop a 10% outcome from happening. And the 10% outcome is not likely to stay that way even if he makes no more moves. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 7, 2015 12:16:29 GMT -5
I wonder if he was vocally against the Mujica DFA. These 2 occurances happening so close together. Just so we're on the same page, your theory is that the pitching coach may have lost his job for being too much of an advocate for the team's #7 reliever. No....it's more unadulterated conjecture on my part..and probably a stupid post. More about speaking truth to power type stuff. |
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Post by jrffam05 on May 7, 2015 12:18:11 GMT -5
Well until the new pitching coach is hired, "Pedro, Pedro, Pedro" will be my mantra. You have to will it people.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 7, 2015 12:23:15 GMT -5
Marino Pepén @marino_Pepen · 9m 9 minutes ago FUENTE: Todo indica que John Henry luego de la reunión con Farrell, ha tomado el toro por los cuernos y nadie está seguro en #RedSox. #MLB Source: Everything indicates that John Henry, after the meeting with Farrell, has taken the bull by the horns and no one is safe on the Red Sox. Does that include their washed up outfielders? |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 7, 2015 12:24:01 GMT -5
Ben Cherington is the guy who should go. That's just ridiculous. Obviously things aren't going great right now, but there was little else he could do in the offseason and little anyone can do when everyone's results are worse than their peripherals and worse than expected before the season. I mean what should he have done instead? Our offense stinks right now, but he should have dumped Papi and Napoli before the season because they aren't hitting now? This lineup is going to mash eventually. All you can judge a GM on is what the team looked like on paper before they start playing. He cannot stop a 10% outcome from happening. And the 10% outcome is not likely to stay that way even if he makes no more moves. Not sure why people blame Cherington. The pitching staff hasn't been optimal, but other than re-signing Lester or trading for a pitcher, which both would have likely had consequences, there isn't much he could have done. The Lester contract will probably look pretty bad, and we would have had to give up Mookie or Swihart to get an ace type pitcher. They can instead get guys like that next off season or at the trade deadline. What is more questionable as far as Ben's moves go, are keeping Craig and Miley on the ML roster, and DFAing Varvaro. If he fixed that, I'd argue he is doing a pretty good job keeping our team in contention while also not giving up significant prospect talent. |
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Post by ethanbein on May 7, 2015 12:27:05 GMT -5
Marino Pepén @marino_Pepen · 9m 9 minutes ago FUENTE: Todo indica que John Henry luego de la reunión con Farrell, ha tomado el toro por los cuernos y nadie está seguro en #RedSox. #MLB Source: Everything indicates that John Henry, after the meeting with Farrell, has taken the bull by the horns and no one is safe on the Red Sox. ...starting with Farrell? |
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