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5/8-5/10 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
TX
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Post by TX on May 8, 2015 21:56:18 GMT -5
Who can we sell at the deadline? Napoli if he starts hitting a little? We need a LH bat next year anyway. Koji?? Would someone take a flyer on Buchholz? Reasonable option if you think you can salvage him. We can't. I doubt anyone would take the contracts of Victorino, Craig or Miley. Not Porcello, that's for sure. Buchholz, nope. Not worth the money either. Kelly? maybe Miley, Masterson and the bullpen is a nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 8, 2015 21:56:38 GMT -5
At least we'll get another protected draft pick.
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Post by TX on May 8, 2015 21:57:28 GMT -5
Who can we sell at the deadline? Napoli if he starts hitting a little? We need a LH bat next year anyway. Koji?? Would someone take a flyer on Buchholz? Reasonable option if you think you can salvage him. We can't. I doubt anyone would take the contracts of Victorino, Craig or Miley. Come on now. Win tomorrow this all changes. If we're having the same conversation in three weeks then that's a different story. Just my opinion but maybe you should change your avatar to something that suggests more delusional.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 8, 2015 21:58:14 GMT -5
Gotta love all these comments questioning Farrell's abilities to manage. Never mind that he brought another crappy Ben roster together and won a title. No, he gets no credit for that. But Ben continues to get credit for his roster building skills, as putrid as they are. Leave Ben. Now. You're gone anyway so you might as well bow out gracefully. In his place I'd like to see a GM who realizes that 90% of sure-shot prospects wind up as trash, and will trade them for upgrades of the parent club, like real 1st division teams do. Maybe the reason a lot of very talented prospects aren't succeeding is they aren't being coached effectively.
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Post by TX on May 8, 2015 22:02:36 GMT -5
Gotta love all these comments questioning Farrell's abilities to manage. Never mind that he brought another crappy Ben roster together and won a title. No, he gets no credit for that. But Ben continues to get credit for his roster building skills, as putrid as they are. Leave Ben. Now. You're gone anyway so you might as well bow out gracefully. In his place I'd like to see a GM who realizes that 90% of sure-shot prospects wind up as trash, and will trade them for upgrades of the parent club, like real 1st division teams do. Maybe the reason a lot of very talented prospects aren't succeeding is they aren't being coached effectively. I'm old school so I know my opinions are taken for granted, but I'm pretty convinced that this offense is too good to be falling as it has, so a reasonable explanation for that is that it's as petrified about its pitching as we are, and has given up. Or trying to hard, one or the other. Either way, just as the more realistic of us expected last winter, we need 2 starters, badly.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 8, 2015 22:11:13 GMT -5
Gotta love all these comments questioning Farrell's abilities to manage. Never mind that he brought another crappy Ben roster together and won a title. No, he gets no credit for that. But Ben continues to get credit for his roster building skills, as putrid as they are. Leave Ben. Now. You're gone anyway so you might as well bow out gracefully. In his place I'd like to see a GM who realizes that 90% of sure-shot prospects wind up as trash, and will trade them for upgrades of the parent club, like real 1st division teams do. John Farrell was run out of Toronto and has done a god awful job here. What is your obsession with him? Are you family?
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Post by TX on May 8, 2015 22:13:48 GMT -5
Do you not recall the roster he won with 2 years ago? JFC, man, he was served slop and won with it anyway.
Edit: there's also knowledge that, except for Premier Papi, his locker room's don't control the show, yet he gets the utmost respect from it anyway. That says a lot to me.
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Post by station13 on May 8, 2015 22:21:32 GMT -5
Where is Castillo right now? Jesus, I can't watch the inept OF anymore.
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Post by mattpicard on May 8, 2015 22:23:37 GMT -5
Gotta love all these comments questioning Farrell's abilities to manage. Never mind that he brought another crappy Ben roster together and won a title. No, he gets no credit for that. But Ben continues to get credit for his roster building skills, as putrid as they are. Leave Ben. Now. You're gone anyway so you might as well bow out gracefully. In his place I'd like to see a GM who realizes that 90% of sure-shot prospects wind up as trash, and will trade them for upgrades of the parent club, like real 1st division teams do. Do you not recall the roster he won with 2 years ago? JFC, man, he was served slop and won with it anyway. The 2013 roster was crappily built? The one that led MLB in runs by 57 runs and just about every offensive category, while being 12th in fWAR on the pitching side? Why on earth does Farrell deserve the credit for that over Cherington? Farrell wasn't the one who decided to acquire Napoli, Victorino, Uehara, Drew, etc. And it's not like we were some team with middle of the road production that was managed brilliantly and just squeezed into the playoffs and found success. We dominated that entire season. Seriously, are you just flat out trolling us?
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Post by TX on May 8, 2015 22:31:06 GMT -5
I'll guess that the offense that scored all those runs, featuring Salty, WMB, Carp, Iggy, Drew, Gomes, and the perpetually downed Vic, escaped your euphoria that year. Someone brought that team together, and that someone's initials were not BABIP, as much as you've been led to believe.
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Post by atzar on May 8, 2015 22:37:27 GMT -5
Frustrating end to an outing for Miley. Through five, it looked like a game to build on. A six-inning two-run game would have been very good, and great for his mental state I'm sure.
Still, at least he showed signs tonight. More than we've gotten all season from him, really.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 8, 2015 22:38:19 GMT -5
Vavaro made it thru the A.L. on waivers last week, so he's a good bet to get thru the N.L.
Smart move.
The waiver rules work differently in April. Varvaro didn't make it through the AL unclaimed. See here. We already know all of that. But we can't seem to remember and you won't let us forget.
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Post by mattpicard on May 8, 2015 22:43:00 GMT -5
I'll guess that the offense that scored all those runs, featuring Salty, WMB, Carp, Iggy, Drew, Gomes, and the perpetually downed Vic, escaped your euphoria that year. Someone brought that team together, and that someone's initials were not BABIP, as much as you've been led to believe. Farrell deserves no more credit than Cherington for the fluky things that went well for us that season (Vic's success batting right-on-right, Carp, Iggy, and Salty's BABIP's, etc). Unless your point is that John Farrell caused the high BABIP's. That'd make sense. Also, can't forget Farrell's shining moments at the end, when he secured our path to being World Series champs by booting Nava out of the lineup in favor of Gomes vs. right-handed pitching, a decision informed by the laws of energy.
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Post by mattpicard on May 8, 2015 22:46:23 GMT -5
From Pete: Holt was unavailable today due to a death in his family. He'll be back on Sunday.
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Post by TX on May 8, 2015 22:50:24 GMT -5
I'm saying that a team confidant in its roster is going to perform well, while a team in despair because of something like, oh, I don't know, IT'S RIDICULOUSLY STUPID PITCHING STAFF, will perform poorly.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 8, 2015 22:52:49 GMT -5
Seems like a good dude to me from everything I've read about him. And there was never a peep about him causing trouble in his years in Atlanta. So the idea of him arriving in Chicago and immediately pissing everyone off in a day or two seems pretty farfetched. Then why was he DFAD so quickly 05/08/15 "Chicago Cubs sent Anthony Varvaro outright to Iowa Cubs."
SUCCESS. I always like to see smart decisions rewarded with success. Even if it is the Cubbies. chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=chc#month=5&year=2015&team_id=112
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Post by mattpicard on May 8, 2015 22:55:18 GMT -5
I'm saying that a team confidant in its roster is going to perform well, while a team in despair because of something like, oh, I don't know, IT'S RIDICULOUSLY STUPID PITCHING STAFF, will perform poorly. Eh, you think David Ortiz has been mediocre and Napoli/Craig/Nava have been anemic because they're concerned with Wade Miley's ability to pitch in the AL, Masterson's velocity dip, and Buchholz's pitching with men on base? And confidence is far, far more likely to be determined by performance, not the flipside.
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Post by TX on May 8, 2015 23:01:42 GMT -5
Not really. I think they look at that convoluted mess of a pitching staff and ask 'why me?'. Of course they're not going to perform at a top level when they're overly concerned about driving 3 guys in instead of 1.
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Post by larrycook on May 9, 2015 0:18:36 GMT -5
The batting lineup is really struggling. They seem more intent on working the count than swinging at good pitches to hit. And when they do swing, they are not squaring up for the most part.
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Post by ericmvan on May 9, 2015 0:30:39 GMT -5
We went into this season with a bench consisting of Nava, Craig, Holt, and Hanigan, which is as good a bench as I can recall an MLB team having (or is, if you regard Craig as a placeholder for Victorino or Castillo).
Raise your hand if you foresaw the active bench on 5/8 being Luis Jimenez and Sandy Leon -- with Travis Shaw in the starting lineup.
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Post by dridiot on May 9, 2015 0:42:51 GMT -5
I'm saying that a team confidant in its roster is going to perform well, while a team in despair because of something like, oh, I don't know, IT'S RIDICULOUSLY STUPID PITCHING STAFF, will perform poorly. Miley could have gone 9 IP 1 ER with 15 K today and we still would've lost. Just sayin'. Our four middle bats are batting < .200. I don't think it's fair to blame just the rotation at this point.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 9, 2015 1:07:14 GMT -5
A lot of Ben's moves, like trading Will and NOT trading mookie/swihart are actually looking really smart right now. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.
Farrell has had questionable bullpen management and of the pitching staff in general and thats kinda supposed to be his strength.
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Post by bluechip on May 9, 2015 2:59:48 GMT -5
Not really. I think they look at that convoluted mess of a pitching staff and ask 'why me?'. Of course they're not going to perform at a top level when they're overly concerned about driving 3 guys in instead of 1. I would love to read the peer reviewed psychological study where it was determined that a batter's offense is affected by the quality of his teams pitching staff. If batters are trying to do too much because of the pitching staff (and again, I'd love to see evidence of that), it would be Farrell's place to correct that approach. Clearly Farrell is a bad in game manger, and does nothing for the pitching staff, but are you now saying he is also negatively affecting the batters?
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Post by radiohix on May 9, 2015 3:02:54 GMT -5
We're 5.5 games behind the MFY...In a tight division, that's a lot of wins in the bank for them! This team is just terrible in all aspects of the game right now and the kids are making it worse: Swihart has no idea where the strike zone is (flirting with a 50% k rate) and X is just pulling last year slump all over again just with a little bit more contact this time. Losing 11 of the last 15 games could be costly at the end of the season..Just terrible, terrible times!
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Post by sarasoxer on May 9, 2015 5:01:31 GMT -5
In one sense it is amazing that we are only 13-16 because it feels like we are 10-19.....with no sound reason to hope for a rebound. No hitting, no starting or relief pitching, hamstrung financially, and no light glimmering at tunnel's end. Where is the razor blade? Oh wait.... The football season starts in September. Phew!
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