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2015 Boston Celtics Offseason
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 23, 2015 17:12:10 GMT -5
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Post by bookiemetts on Jun 23, 2015 23:58:53 GMT -5
You see Ford's magic ability to turn back time and edit his mock drafts to be closer to actual performance?
Anyways, assuming the Cs move up in the draft I'd be very happy with any one of WCS, Hezonja, Stanley Johnson or Winslow, in no order really, just depends where they pick and who's available. I'd obviously be ecstatic with one of the top tier talents, but it's pretty unrealistic to expect that kind of trade. I'd also be ok with trading the picks for Cousins. Anyone have any favorites for 2nd round picks we haven't seen yet?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 24, 2015 9:23:52 GMT -5
Not sure if he'll be there in the 2nd round but I'm hearing more and more about Jordan Mickey from LSU. C's supposedly had him in for a workout, suggesting their interest. There was an interesting piece on RealGM pointing to the NBA Finals this year and how the undersized but athletic and long-armed backup centers might be the wave of the future. Mickey's block % numbers compare well with the top Cs in the draft and he's quick enough to keep up with small players (important in covering the pick-n-roll).
He could be an intersting name though, again, they might have to take him in the first.
On Ford, the revisionist history doesn't concern me that much. Mocks, individually, are a waste of time. That's why, the draft geek that I am, come up with a spreadsheet that puts all of the "name" mock drafts together to look at trends, average position, etc.
The fact that he goes back to revise his mocks just shows that he's silly and prone to wasting his time as nobody should really care. But that doesn't suggest that he doesn't have access and information that are both interesting and helpful to understanding what's going on in the league. Now, if he's saying things that are off the wall and completely different than what's being said around the league from other "insiders" or just doesn't pass the logic test, well then I'd like to think I'm smart enough to assign an appropriate amount of skepticm. But I do that with any of them so it's not necessarily indicative of any issues I have with Ford.
So, I'm going to continue to read Ford and likely post things that he says here. You all have every right to think it's bunk. Most of the rumors that I post are more about bringing up a topic of conversation and less about . . . "OMG, OMG. This is going to happen."
So . . . yeah
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2015 11:11:42 GMT -5
I love Jordan Mickey and his skill set. His rebounding and blocking of shots is just what the Celtics need.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 24, 2015 14:20:50 GMT -5
Wojo reporting that the C's plan may include a FA package of Kevin Love, Robin Lopez and Paul Pierce.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2015 14:50:04 GMT -5
That might be the plan but its a long shot. Also does Love, Lopez and Pierce make us a title contender? I don't think it does, so why would Love come here? Also Pierce only comes back if we can compete for a title. I really think players like Greg Monroe are the players the Celtics could sign if they want to. We need to construct a team that is one player away from being a contender before any elite players would want to sign here. Just my two cents.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 24, 2015 15:04:38 GMT -5
Another rumor making the rounds is #28 to Minnesota for Anthony Bennett, #31 and #36.
Can't we just get 31 and 36? Minny can keep Bennett. I'll take AB back if they'll take Wallace though.
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Post by jmei on Jun 24, 2015 15:12:45 GMT -5
I think that team would be a top-4 team in the East, and once you've made it that far, you're a de facto title contender.
The big thing that you'd sell Love on is the role he would have on a Celtics team. He wouldn't just be a floor-spacer like he was in Cleveland but would instead be the centerpiece of the offense from the high post. Fit is critically important in the NBA, and if you surround him with 3-and-D-type players like Smart, Bradley, and Pierce and a defensive-first big man like Lopez, that's a very good team.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 24, 2015 15:37:52 GMT -5
Plus, if you move up to get a stud SF (looks like Detroit is targeting Stanley Johnson, so if you want him, you may need to get up to #7) to replace Pierce in the long haul . . .
The beauty of a plan like this is it might not involve too many pieces going out but will create additional redundancies (meaning you can use them to get other players, though sign and trades may be desired so Love can get his full value). Most of all, we won't be touching those Brooklyn picks . . .
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2015 18:51:44 GMT -5
I think that team would be a top-4 team in the East, and once you've made it that far, you're a de facto title contender. The big thing that you'd sell Love on is the role he would have on a Celtics team. He wouldn't just be a floor-spacer like he was in Cleveland but would instead be the centerpiece of the offense from the high post. Fit is critically important in the NBA, and if you surround him with 3-and-D-type players like Smart, Bradley, and Pierce and a defensive-first big man like Lopez, that's a very good team. Sure I think that a very good team, just don't think its a tittle contender. Also don't think being top 4 in East makes you a contender. For me Contender means you have a fighting chance at winning a title and I don't think that team would. They would need more, getting someone like Stanley Johnson an impact rookie Might make them a contender, but we have no idea how the draft will unfold.
Not sure what the cap # is for this year, was 63 million last year, we don't have enough cap space to sign both Love and Lopez as free agents. Sure you could do trades and give up picks/players to get rid of Wallace or do sign and trades.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 24, 2015 19:26:00 GMT -5
That might be the plan but its a long shot. Also does Love, Lopez and Pierce make us a title contender? I don't think it does, so why would Love come here? Also Pierce only comes back if we can compete for a title. I really think players like Greg Monroe are the players the Celtics could sign if they want to. We need to construct a team that is one player away from being a contender before any elite players would want to sign here. Just my two cents. Pierce wants to play for a title contender, sure. But he just signed with Washington last offseason, so it's not unreasonable. The Love thing certainly has legs. The Celts are probably more like third in that race at the moment, but they have a legitimate shot here. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 25, 2015 19:56:31 GMT -5
This draft is turning into a nightmare for the Celtics. Very few impact players left. Might you get Lyles or Booker at 16. I see little to no reason for Boston to continue drafting role players. But we may end up with exactly that. Bobby Portis Jerian Grant ect
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Post by philarhody on Jun 25, 2015 20:06:34 GMT -5
And there go Lyles and Booker
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Post by texs31 on Jun 25, 2015 20:27:04 GMT -5
I think I'm going to throw up.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 25, 2015 21:53:34 GMT -5
I like the pick at 28 better than the pick at 16. RJ Hunter has ridiculous range. Obviously there has to be something brewing on the trade market (fingers crossed), but man, what a let down tonight has been. Feel like the 76ers match up very well to swap a guard for a big.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 25, 2015 21:59:08 GMT -5
Switch the picks and it looks much better so I guess it evens out. I was hoping there would be, finally, some answers from this draft. Instead, I see more questions but it's only just the beginning of the offseason so . . .
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Post by texs31 on Jun 25, 2015 22:10:45 GMT -5
Probably going to take a Euro player here but I'd love to see them take a wild-card guy (Dakari or Andrew Harrison). Could also go Mickey.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 25, 2015 22:12:59 GMT -5
Mickey it is
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 25, 2015 22:14:52 GMT -5
I now like the picks at 28 and 33 better than the 16th pick.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 25, 2015 22:28:40 GMT -5
Im just glad they didnt take dekker
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 25, 2015 22:29:32 GMT -5
Here is my mock draft and players to target; 16- I am looking at Bobby Portis, Jerrian Grant, RJ Hunter and Tyus Jones. Now I say this thinking Myles Turner and Stanley Johnson or no other big names drop a ton. Most mocks think that most of these players should be there at 16. I think I would go Grant, Portis, Hunter and then Jones. I look at Grant and just see the most pro potential of the four. Only reason he is so low if based on age and that doesn't worry me. Grant has been a player for all four season he played at College. People worry about shooting but I think he will be fine. He also has great size, really good passer, can also play 2 guard, gets to FT line a ton and is very good there. Sure you can say we don't need another PG, picking best overall players not just what fits team. Portis just seems like a Very solid player across the board, with great size and production. I really like Hunter but I worry about his weight at 185 and 6'6'' he doesn't seem to have an NBA body. Besides that he does everything you want from a SG. Then there is Tyus Jones and he just reminds me of Mike Conley, he's a winner that can really play the point. 28 and 33 Looking at Terry Rozier, Chris McCollough, Christian Wood, Jordan Mickey, Rakeem Christmas and Dakari Johnson. I find it really hard to pick just two as I really like all of these players. With Robert Upshaw being the Wildcard. If he is healthy and not a total nut I would take him at 28 and for sure at 33. 45- Aaron White Joseph Young, Vince Hunter, Anthony Brown and Cady LaLane. A++++ Sure Terry Rozier was a shock at 16, but he has great upside. Terry Rozier, RJ Hunter and Jordan Mickey, WOW couldn't ask for more! Rozier might be the best defensive guard in draft, Hunter might be best shooter in draft and Mickey is the one of the best rebounding shot blocking bigs in draft.
Heck at 45 if you can get Dakari Johnson, Christan Wood or Robert Upshaw I will start a Danny for president page!!
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 25, 2015 23:45:56 GMT -5
Some people may be critical of this draft because the Rozier pick at 16 was...strange. But taken together, this is a really good haul.
I don't see any ways guard or two isn't traded before the season,'though.
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Post by bookiemetts on Jun 26, 2015 0:21:05 GMT -5
Rozier pick is pretty surprising honestly, but maybe Danny saw something.
I really thought they would move up.
Absolute dream scenario would have been to trade with Charlotte and pick up Winslow at 9.
But now that I look at it, if they picked Hunter at 16 and Rozier at 28, I think there wouldn't be as much negativity about the pick for some reason. The Thornton pick is just weird, and he may not make the roster. Danny still may have something planned though.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 26, 2015 7:30:14 GMT -5
Yeah, forget the order and the top 3 are "nice". Not sure why you bother with Thornton. Take a Euro and see if they improve in a couple of years.
Love this team 4-12. Obviously they need to figure out Top 3 (unless you have Thomas as a starter).
Unrelated - the Nance, Jr to LAL combination is amazing drama. I'd love to be there the first time he and Kobe meet.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 26, 2015 11:39:12 GMT -5
I now like the picks at 28 and 33 better than the 16th pick. This. After pick 14, there was very little difference in talent through the beginning of the second round. So disheartening. Stupid effing playoff run |
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