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2015 Boston Celtics Offseason
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Post by philarhody on Jun 26, 2015 11:43:06 GMT -5
Here is my mock draft and players to target; 16- I am looking at Bobby Portis, Jerrian Grant, RJ Hunter and Tyus Jones. Now I say this thinking Myles Turner and Stanley Johnson or no other big names drop a ton. Most mocks think that most of these players should be there at 16. I think I would go Grant, Portis, Hunter and then Jones. I look at Grant and just see the most pro potential of the four. Only reason he is so low if based on age and that doesn't worry me. Grant has been a player for all four season he played at College. People worry about shooting but I think he will be fine. He also has great size, really good passer, can also play 2 guard, gets to FT line a ton and is very good there. Sure you can say we don't need another PG, picking best overall players not just what fits team. Portis just seems like a Very solid player across the board, with great size and production. I really like Hunter but I worry about his weight at 185 and 6'6'' he doesn't seem to have an NBA body. Besides that he does everything you want from a SG. Then there is Tyus Jones and he just reminds me of Mike Conley, he's a winner that can really play the point. 28 and 33 Looking at Terry Rozier, Chris McCollough, Christian Wood, Jordan Mickey, Rakeem Christmas and Dakari Johnson. I find it really hard to pick just two as I really like all of these players. With Robert Upshaw being the Wildcard. If he is healthy and not a total nut I would take him at 28 and for sure at 33. 45- Aaron White Joseph Young, Vince Hunter, Anthony Brown and Cady LaLane. A++++ Sure Terry Rozier was a shock at 16, but he has great upside. Terry Rozier, RJ Hunter and Jordan Mickey, WOW couldn't ask for more! Rozier might be the best defensive guard in draft, Hunter might be best shooter in draft and Mickey is the one of the best rebounding shot blocking bigs in draft.
Heck at 45 if you can get Dakari Johnson, Christan Wood or Robert Upshaw I will start a Danny for president page!!
Do you honestly think Danny Ainge is giving this draft an "A++++" ? I like Rozier some too. But he's an undersized guard who can't shoot. So yeh. There isnt tremendous value there |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 26, 2015 13:36:44 GMT -5
Even Danny, himself, didn't sound like someone who would give his own draft an A++++. Some of his post-draft interviews makes it sound like he's in shock that nobody took him up on his offer. Sounded like he did everything he could to not make those picks (the latest report suggest he was willing to send 6 picks, including both 1sts and 2 more of the conditional ones he had, to move up and get Winslow.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 27, 2015 11:36:44 GMT -5
Im glad we didnt trade all those picks for 9 overall.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 27, 2015 12:25:28 GMT -5
Im glad we didnt trade all those picks for 9 overall. Same. Although I think Danny's desperate attempts to acquire an impact prospect further emphasizes the need for superstars in the NBA. The Atlanta Hawks just had a cute 60 win season and got annihilated by Lebron, a hobbled Kyrie, and some role players. Yet we don't have anyone in Boston as talented as Horford, Millsap, or Teague. Ainge is now caught between asset accumulation/tanking/losing Stevens and competing for the honor of being decimated by Lebron every May/hoping some team decides to trade superstars for a few mid first round picks. I say sell off the players and tank. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Jun 27, 2015 14:30:31 GMT -5
It's hard especially because it's hard to attract superstar free agents to Boston.
Basically Danny's got an extremely difficult job to rebuild, and I think the only way is to get lucky with the draft.
I think it's for the better that he didn't trade all the picks, cause the draft is kind of a crapshoot. The more shots at a good player, the higher the chance of getting a Paul George, Kawhi Leonard or Jimmy Butler type.
Also take a look at RJ Hunter's highlights. Dude makes some "eff you" shots and it's awesome.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2015 15:17:34 GMT -5
Danny is upset that he couldn't move up. Based on where we picked this was an A++++ draft. You don't lower a draft grade because no one wanted to trade back. 4 first round picks for Winslow? OMG I am so glad that didn't happen. Sure he is a nice player that could have helped Celtics, but he is no where near a franchise player in my opinion. Call me crazy but I see him as a James Posey type player.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2015 16:06:20 GMT -5
I look at Winslow and see a bunch of upside and I can see why people love him, but I also see a bunch of flaws. Everyone looks at his 3 point % and thinks he's a really good shooter. I see a guy with a 64% FT rate and don't see a great shooter. I see a guy that played on a great team that made him look the best he could. Winslow was never the #1 option and thus teams didn't plan to stop him. He played with the best low post player in college and a very good true pg. He got wide open looks from 3 point line, that won't happen as much in pros. I just see him as a number 3/4 option on a title contender. Still think James Posey is his best comp. Remember Posey came out gangbusters his first few years until teams started to understand what he truly is. This is a guy that could have had a huge year on a bad team that would let him go wild. On the Heat he won't have that option. If I am Winslow agent I would be pissed that the Heat took him and would pray that a bunch of free agents leave and thus start a rebuild.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2015 16:25:46 GMT -5
A++++ Sure Terry Rozier was a shock at 16, but he has great upside. Terry Rozier, RJ Hunter and Jordan Mickey, WOW couldn't ask for more! Rozier might be the best defensive guard in draft, Hunter might be best shooter in draft and Mickey is the one of the best rebounding shot blocking bigs in draft.
Heck at 45 if you can get Dakari Johnson, Christan Wood or Robert Upshaw I will start a Danny for president page!!
Do you honestly think Danny Ainge is giving this draft an "A++++" ? I like Rozier some too. But he's an undersized guard who can't shoot. So yeh. There isnt tremendous value there For one Rozier is not undersized as a pg. He is 6'2'' with a 6'8'' wingspan. Second I don't think he can't shoot. Freshman year he shoot 37% from three, second year he shoot 31%. You have to remember he was option #1 on his team and tried to do too much. Yes he needs to improve his shoot selection, but I think this guy can shoot, he is not Rondo by any means. One of the guys on NBA.com said he looked like Eric Bledsoe when he watched Rozier. Would anyone not love this pick if he turned into Bledsoe??? One thing to remember is that he is raw as a pg and will take 2-3 years before you really know what we have. I love the pick. Also who else was there at 16 that we passed on? |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 27, 2015 19:39:47 GMT -5
Do you honestly think Danny Ainge is giving this draft an "A++++" ? I like Rozier some too. But he's an undersized guard who can't shoot. So yeh. There isnt tremendous value there For one Rozier is not undersized as a pg. He is 6'2'' with a 6'8'' wingspan. Second I don't think he can't shoot. Freshman year he shoot 37% from three, second year he shoot 31%. You have to remember he was option #1 on his team and tried to do too much. Yes he needs to improve his shoot selection, but I think this guy can shoot, he is not Rondo by any means. One of the guys on NBA.com said he looked like Eric Bledsoe when he watched Rozier. Would anyone not love this pick if he turned into Bledsoe??? One thing to remember is that he is raw as a pg and will take 2-3 years before you really know what we have. I love the pick. Also who else was there at 16 that we passed on? Omg you're absolutely right! Great, tremendous draft! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2015 1:25:59 GMT -5
So looks like Greg Monroe is the best free agent we have a chance at and it seems we don't even have a great chance at him. So we better get one if not two of the following players Robin Lopez, Tyson Chandler, Kosta Koufos, Ed Davis, Khris Middleton and Tobias Harris.
Would love Monroe and Harris, but a Lopez/Harris and Koufos/Harris would make me happy also. I think Harris is a player that we should really target. If it takes a max deal of 15 million a year I would do it. We need a player that can score one on one and that is Harris. Would be a major upgrade at small forward. With the cap project to hit 108 million in two years Harris contract would seem like a good deal. Harris is only 22 years old and still has a ton of upside going forward. Would love to see what Stevens could do for him with some good coaching.
Who do you guys want/think we can get?
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2015 7:53:17 GMT -5
Middleton is closing on a deal with Milwaukee (he's an RFA and was the Bucks top priority so that probably wasn't going anywhere anyway).
Don't want Chandler. I'm very nervous about Harris but I guess this is the "Market Max" type of player that will look like an overpay now but better in the new CBA???
I'd like Koufos. No interest in Corey Brewer (with whom they are already connected). I'm hoping they are just doing do diligence in case someone overpays (and takes) Jae Crowder.
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Post by jmei on Jul 1, 2015 8:10:17 GMT -5
Not a big fan of Harris. Scoring lots of PPG on a bad team does not impress me. He's not a great shooter or a good defender and can't really create for others. He seems more like a good role player than a potential star (think Jeff Green). You're betting on him taking that next step if you give him $15 a year, even with a rising cap, and I'm not sure he's the guy I want to bet on.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 1, 2015 8:52:06 GMT -5
Not a big fan of Harris. Scoring lots of PPG on a bad team does not impress me. He's not a great shooter or a good defender and can't really create for others. He seems more like a good role player than a potential star (think Jeff Green). You're betting on him taking that next step if you give him $15 a year, even with a rising cap, and I'm not sure he's the guy I want to bet on. I agree with this. I hadn't seen much of Harris before I watched some film on him yesterday and I really don't see it. I would go so far as to say I don't even think he is as good as Jeff Green. He put up a solid PPG line that was almost entirely a result of the environment he played in. He isn't a very good rebounder, passer, or defender. I don't see him as more than a 4th option/roll player type on a contender, and I'm not even sure he would do well in that roll. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 1, 2015 9:24:14 GMT -5
Celtics reportedly show interest in Amir Johnson, per Chris Mannix. He's a PF, where they have too many bodies already, but he's a good player who might end up being a bargain.
With their trade exceptions and lots of draft pick/young player chips (plus Wallace's expiring contract), I'll note that there might be more trade action than free agent. Just throwing names out there, but guys like Hibbert and Noah at C and Gallinari, W. Chandler, and J. Johnson at SF/small-ball PF seem intriguing.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2015 13:59:24 GMT -5
Harris averaged 17.1 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1 steal a game last year. Had a per of 16.76, shot 46.6% and 36.4 from 3 point line with 3.5 attempts a game. He is also a career 79% free throw shooter. He did this at age 22. Jeff Greens highest per is 15.1 in 2012/2013, every other year he was below the league average player of 15. Harris per the last three years is 16.05, 16.54, and 16.76. So thinking he's not even as good as Jeff Green is crazy in my opinion. Harris has been much more productive player. Sure there is risk, but there is also a ton of upside. Harris also has the tools to become at least an average defender if not an above average defender. In two years his max salary would be less then 17% of our cap, so you are paying him like a fourth option.
Sign Harris and resign Crowder and you are set at small forward.
Amir Johnson would be a really bad signing, would rather give Mickey the minutes. Mickey gives us the shot blocking and rebounding we need.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2015 14:00:43 GMT -5
As a fall back option Gerald Green wouldn't be a bad singing if you feel he can play small forward. He would add some much needed 3 point shooting and scoring.
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Post by jmei on Jul 1, 2015 14:16:37 GMT -5
Amir Johnson would be a really bad signing, would rather give Mickey the minutes. Mickey gives us the shot blocking and rebounding we need. You are way, way overrating a rookie second round pick. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2015 14:34:32 GMT -5
Wojo reporting that A Johnson is done to the Cs for 2 years 24 million.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2015 14:40:02 GMT -5
Sam Amick: Jerebko returns at 2yrs, 10 million (total, in case my formatting wasn't obvious following the Johnson post)
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2015 14:44:47 GMT -5
As of right now, I'm thinking Johnson may play a lot of C (or Mickey might in a smaller lineup). Add in the fact that it wouldn't suprise me if 1 of Zeller, Olynyk or Sully could be part of a trade (though I'm not sure any of them have the value needed for a star) and I'm not worried about big man playing time.
Mickey could get time in the D-League anyways. Despite being a 2nd rounder, I do think he could have a nice (but not great) future with Boston. But, as JMei points out, he shouldn't be the reason you don't make solid signings (which I think Amir, especially at the contract, will be)
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Post by jmei on Jul 1, 2015 14:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2015 14:57:03 GMT -5
If you buy into the value analytics put out by ESPN, Pelton lists Johnson as the 18th best value play (projecting $48 Million over the next 3 years). That would suggest that Boston got a great deal at $24M over 2. Says his defensive impact could make him a steal. The short term deal would seem to alleviate Pelton's concern over his ankles.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2015 15:03:14 GMT -5
Pelton did suggest that his ankles (despite only being 28, he's been in the league for 10 years) might put his value at C
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Post by jmei on Jul 1, 2015 15:07:39 GMT -5
As of right now, I'm thinking Johnson may play a lot of C (or Mickey might in a smaller lineup). Add in the fact that it wouldn't suprise me if 1 of Zeller, Olynyk or Sully could be part of a trade (though I'm not sure any of them have the value needed for a star) and I'm not worried about big man playing time. Mickey could get time in the D-League anyways. Despite being a 2nd rounder, I do think he could have a nice (but not great) future with Boston. But, as JMei points out, he shouldn't be the reason you don't make solid signings (which I think Amir, especially at the contract, will be) Johnson could play the 5 in super-small lineups (with Jerebko or Crowder at the 4). Stevens seems to love those kinds of lineups, and it would allow them to get three guards on the floor (Smart is study enough that he can defend some 3s). They weren't going to be able to sign one of the true stars in free agency, and I think this route (getting good value deals on guys they like) is better than the alternative (wait around and hope that Monroe or one of the RFAs somehow slips to them). |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2015 15:21:13 GMT -5
Wow. Actually thought he was bigger than 6'9". Point remains. He is still more of a C than Sully (who logged plenty of minutes there last year).
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