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6/1-6/4 Red Sox vs. Twins Series Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 31, 2015 19:24:41 GMT -5
6/1 Red Sox (RHP Clay Buchholz 2-6 4.33) vs. Twins (RHP Mike Pelfrey 4-1 2.77) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI6/2 Red Sox (RHP Rick Porcello 4-4 5.37) vs. Twins (RHP Phil Hughes 4-4 4.59) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEI6/3 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez 1-0 0.00) vs. Twins (RHP Trevor May 3-3 5.07) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI6/4 Red Sox (RHP Steven Wright 2-2 3.90) vs. Twins (RHP Kyle Gibson 4-3 2.61) 4:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 1, 2015 9:52:35 GMT -5
So, it's June. What did I have to say last year in June? Well, forum.soxprospects.com/post/87287/threadIt's been almost a year and I've not yet gotten a truly satisfactory answer to that question. Anyone care to give it another crack?
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Post by cologneredsox on Jun 1, 2015 10:22:34 GMT -5
Since I don't have any answer to that and if I had one it wouldn't matter anyway: I just hope the players give you an answer and sweep the twins.
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Post by soxcentral on Jun 1, 2015 10:39:17 GMT -5
It's been almost a year and I've not yet gotten a truly satisfactory answer to that question. Anyone care to give it another crack? No, I am kind of with you here. JF's first year in Toronto went much better record-wise than his 2nd just like here, for whatever that's worth, Plus Toronto did give him up to us when I'm sure they could have put up a much bigger fight. You don't see a divisional rival get to pluck a sitting manager away very often, perhaps the reason is what we're slowly waking up to now. It could be something as simple as getting players to relax when they're putting too much pressure on themselves, and could explain the JBJ/Bogaerts seasons last year, along with the veteran's struggles right now.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 1, 2015 11:16:29 GMT -5
So, it's June. What did I have to say last year in June? Well, forum.soxprospects.com/post/87287/threadIt's been almost a year and I've not yet gotten a truly satisfactory answer to that question. Anyone care to give it another crack? I am with you on this one.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on Jun 1, 2015 12:13:50 GMT -5
Sox are probably looking at a rain out tonight
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Post by nomar on Jun 1, 2015 12:18:45 GMT -5
Sox are probably looking at a rain out tonight Yeah wasn't thinking. Gotta change my DraftKings lineup.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 1, 2015 12:48:34 GMT -5
I think the moderators need to put a cap on the amount of posts certain members can write about John Farrell's managing. It's getting ridiculous.
Go Sox!! Treat the Twins like the second rate Fort Myers club they really are.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 1, 2015 12:52:30 GMT -5
No matter what the Twins do against us, let's never lose sight of the fact that the Sox are the winners of the 2015 Mayor's Trophy!!!
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 1, 2015 13:07:06 GMT -5
It gets late early around here. Hope Crash turned the sprinklers on last night when the team got home.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 1, 2015 13:10:18 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier · 59s60 seconds ago
Red Sox game rained out. Makeup on Wednesday at 1:35 pm.
Well, at least we won't need a spot starter.
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Post by down225 on Jun 1, 2015 13:11:13 GMT -5
I think the moderators need to put a cap on the amount of posts certain members can write about John Farrell's managing. It's getting ridiculous. Go Sox!! Treat the Twins like the second rate Fort Myers club they really are. Besides thinking your statement is outrageous, the twins are in 1st place in what many feel is the strongest division in the AL, while the Sox are in last place in what many feel is the weakest division in the AL. The Twins also swept the Sox not too long ago. Who are "second rate" again?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 1, 2015 13:29:36 GMT -5
I think the moderators need to put a cap on the amount of posts certain members can write about John Farrell's managing. It's getting ridiculous. I honestly keep waiting to make a similar point ... why do I keep waiting? Because I'm hoping for a moment when it doesn't seem like I'm criticizing any particular poster or conversation, so I keep waiting for a time when the conversation is relatively free of Farrell-bashing. Unfortunately, that time never seems to come. Seriously, in all my years here, I don't know that I've ever made a meta-criticism like this, but it's really making these threads incredibly tedious and almost impossible to read. I used to enjoy these threads and as my work-life got increasingly busy, I still kept up with reading them and posting in them because I used to find it a relaxing diversion ... but I don't read most of it now and don't post much in them, either. It's not like I'm a fan of Farrell or think he should be immune to criticism, but maybe everyone should voluntarily limit themselves to one Farrell criticism a series. I'm sure that lands as outlandishly limiting to some, but I guess that's part of my point. There are many other things to talk about, good and bad. I'm sure everyone who spends so much time criticizing Farrell could have very interesting things to say about other things, but taking so much time with simple "Farrell sux!!" posts or launching incredibly tedious arguments about the most picayune matters just drowns it all out. There's almost no reaction to any play on the field outside of the most noteworthy, but every single Farrell decision launches pages of vitriol.
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Post by johnmark on Jun 1, 2015 13:46:13 GMT -5
Sox are probably looking at a rain out tonight Can we celebrate it as a win if we don't lose due to not playing? we didn't lose...we didn't lose...we didn't lose!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 1, 2015 14:10:32 GMT -5
As pointed out by Fenway organist Josh Kantor on Twitter, because of the rainout and Wednesday doubleheader, these two teams will now play four games in a 48-hour span.
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Post by jmei on Jun 1, 2015 14:35:39 GMT -5
I think the moderators need to put a cap on the amount of posts certain members can write about John Farrell's managing. It's getting ridiculous. I honestly keep waiting to make a similar point ... why do I keep waiting? Because I'm hoping for a moment when it doesn't seem like I'm criticizing any particular poster or conversation, so I keep waiting for a time when the conversation is relatively free of Farrell-bashing. Unfortunately, that time never seems to come. Seriously, in all my years here, I don't know that I've ever made a meta-criticism like this, but it's really making these threads incredibly tedious and almost impossible to read. I used to enjoy these threads and as my work-life got increasingly busy, I still kept up with reading them and posting in them because I used to find it a relaxing diversion ... but I don't read most of it now and don't post much in them, either. It's not like I'm a fan of Farrell or think he should be immune to criticism, but maybe everyone should voluntarily limit themselves to one Farrell criticism a series. I'm sure that lands as outlandishly limiting to some, but I guess that's part of my point. There are many other things to talk about, good and bad. I'm sure everyone who spends so much time criticizing Farrell could have very interesting things to say about other things, but taking so much time with simple "Farrell sux!!" posts or launching incredibly tedious arguments about the most picayune matters just drowns it all out. There's almost no reaction to any play on the field outside of the most noteworthy, but every single Farrell decision launches pages of vitriol. For what it's worth, the moderators and staff generally agree with this, and we have reached out to posters who we believe have been making the same posts over and over and over again on this and other (often related) topics.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 1, 2015 14:43:23 GMT -5
If Farrell didn't make ridiculous decisions so often, there would be less comments about it. I mean it took Tommy Layne to come up for him to stop pitching Breslow in the 7th inning in one run games as if he were a LOOGY which he never has been.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 1, 2015 15:03:51 GMT -5
The frustrations of the readers, and those who post, are well understood. I think we're all trying to be open-minded. It's just that bleeding all over the site again and again, doesn't bring all that much to the table. We sympathize, but it can go overboard at times.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 1, 2015 15:13:38 GMT -5
Besides thinking your statement is outrageous, the twins are in 1st place in what many feel is the strongest division in the AL, while the Sox are in last place in what many feel is the weakest division in the AL. The Twins also swept the Sox not too long ago. Who are "second rate" again? Agreed. It was just fanboy rhetoric on my part. I always liked the Twins.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 1, 2015 15:18:55 GMT -5
I think the moderators need to put a cap on the amount of posts certain members can write about John Farrell's managing. It's getting ridiculous. I honestly keep waiting to make a similar point ... why do I keep waiting? Because I'm hoping for a moment when it doesn't seem like I'm criticizing any particular poster or conversation, so I keep waiting for a time when the conversation is relatively free of Farrell-bashing. Unfortunately, that time never seems to come. Seriously, in all my years here, I don't know that I've ever made a meta-criticism like this, but it's really making these threads incredibly tedious and almost impossible to read. I used to enjoy these threads and as my work-life got increasingly busy, I still kept up with reading them and posting in them because I used to find it a relaxing diversion ... but I don't read most of it now and don't post much in them, either. It's not like I'm a fan of Farrell or think he should be immune to criticism, but maybe everyone should voluntarily limit themselves to one Farrell criticism a series. I'm sure that lands as outlandishly limiting to some, but I guess that's part of my point. There are many other things to talk about, good and bad. I'm sure everyone who spends so much time criticizing Farrell could have very interesting things to say about other things, but taking so much time with simple "Farrell sux!!" posts or launching incredibly tedious arguments about the most picayune matters just drowns it all out. There's almost no reaction to any play on the field outside of the most noteworthy, but every single Farrell decision launches pages of vitriol. Agree with all of this. These threads used to be just as negative, but the venting was a whole lot funnier and more creative. I miss those days. If only everyone could be that perfect combination of intelligent, witty, and 100% accurate. Like me.
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Post by johnmark on Jun 1, 2015 16:08:27 GMT -5
Besides thinking your statement is outrageous, the twins are in 1st place in what many feel is the strongest division in the AL, while the Sox are in last place in what many feel is the weakest division in the AL. The Twins also swept the Sox not too long ago. Who are "second rate" again? Agreed. It was just fanboy rhetoric on my part. I always liked the Twins. Me too...grew up with Earl Batteys son.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 1, 2015 16:39:22 GMT -5
Agreed. It was just fanboy rhetoric on my part. I always liked the Twins. Me too...grew up with Earl Batteys son. That name was before my time...so i looked him up on the web. Nice ball playing career and accomplished retirement from baseball. Sounds like a meaningful life. Thanks for mentioning.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 1, 2015 17:10:15 GMT -5
That was a very good ballplayer. Caught the likes of Jim Kaat, Jim Perry - Gaylord's brother - and the guy with the curveball that looked like it was falling off the table, Camilo Pascual.
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Post by danr on Jun 1, 2015 17:19:37 GMT -5
I remember Pascual's curveball - maybe the best I've ever seen. I tried to copy it, completely without success.
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Jun 1, 2015 18:31:18 GMT -5
Everyone remembers Griffith's outrageously racist and indefensible (who cares if Calvin was drunk when he made them?) remarks that sparked Rod Carew's departure from Minnesota in 1979. But in the 1960s, the Twins were (IMO) the most racially color-blind team in the (woefully still-far-from-truly-integrated) American League. In 1962, the year they first contended for the pennant, they had Battey (C), Vic Power (1B), Zoilo Versalles (SS) and Lenny Green (CF) in their regular lineup. Power and Green, who were veterans, moved on, but by 1965, their pennant-winning year, they'd acquired Mudcat Grant and Cesar Tovar and brought up 2x batting champ Tony Oliva and useful backup OF Sandy Valdespino. And then in 1967 they unveiled Carew. The league was catching up to them by then. Apart from SP Earl Wilson, the Red Sox had no nonwhite starters as late as 1962 (Willie Tasby might have been the regular CF for much of 1960, but he was let go in the expansion draft). Roman Mejias couldn't hold the CF job in 1963 and Felix Mantilla was the regular 2B in 1964-65 (with Green in CF in 1965). The Red Sox began to integrate in earnest in 1966, when Joe Foy, George Scott and George Smith became regulars, John Wyatt became their closer, and Jose Tartabull their fourth OF. The next year, George Smith was hurt (ending his career) and Reggie Smith broke in.
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