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6/1-6/4 Red Sox vs. Twins Series Thread
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 20:26:31 GMT -5
Seriously Farrell, go eff yourself. You make the legit Farrell haters look stupid. Shut up.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 3, 2015 20:26:47 GMT -5
Seriously Farrell, go eff yourself. For what? For not hitting Ramirez for Peguero.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 3, 2015 20:27:18 GMT -5
Seriously Farrell, go eff yourself. For what? For this crazy lineup. Changing the order in which guys went 0-3 would've made all the difference.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 3, 2015 20:29:01 GMT -5
^Not to mention hitting one of our weaker batters #2 for no sane reason. Go home Farrell, you're drunk.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on Jun 3, 2015 20:29:05 GMT -5
Seriously Farrell, go eff yourself. For what? The ridiculous line up. Anyone who looked at that line up and thought "oh we got a good shot tonight" is challenged.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 3, 2015 20:29:08 GMT -5
Seriously Farrell, go eff yourself. For what? For starting that bum Porcello rather than just skipping his turn. We all know that truly good starting pitchers have mystical powers to WIN GAMES and Porcello obviously didn't have it today.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 20:30:40 GMT -5
So like changing the order would have resulted in more than two baserunners?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 3, 2015 20:31:39 GMT -5
Such a polar opposite of the day game. Again, 2 runs seemed like 20 to this team.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 3, 2015 20:31:57 GMT -5
Since when was Trevor May a Cy Young candidate? To be fair, he had a 3.11 FIP entering this game and is a reasonably well-regarded prospect. Yeah, that's fair. But the Sox have made him look much better than he is.
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Post by jmei on Jun 3, 2015 20:32:16 GMT -5
Seriously Farrell, go eff yourself. I honestly could not tell if this was high-level satire or not.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on Jun 3, 2015 20:34:21 GMT -5
So like changing the order would have resulted in more than two baserunners? Like def.
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Post by nomar on Jun 3, 2015 20:39:13 GMT -5
Bring back Heidi Watney.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 3, 2015 20:41:42 GMT -5
Lineup optimization (and I bet at least half the people bitching about it today don't know how to do it properly) can gain you perhaps 1 win per season on average. Today would not have been that win.
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Post by soxfan2015 on Jun 3, 2015 20:42:54 GMT -5
The Farrell comments are absolutely ridiculous. Wanna know how this is on Farrell... The team got TWO hits. I forgot farrell went up and hit for them. You guys are unreal sometimes. Don't get me wrong he screws up a lot, but blaming this loss on Farell is just truly terrible
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 3, 2015 20:55:19 GMT -5
Even if you want to say it's not Farrell's fault, how do you justify hitting Holt 2nd? Only chance we had tonight to score came with Holt up at the plate instead of Mookie, who I'd much rather have up there with RISP. It's stuff like this that can completely alter the game.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 3, 2015 20:59:39 GMT -5
Even if you want to say it's not Farrell's fault, how do you justify hitting Holt 2nd? Only chance we had tonight to score came with Holt up at the plate instead of Mookie, who I'd much rather have up there with RISP. It's stuff like this that can completely alter the game. Totally! Mookie's two strikeouts and groundout would've been FAR more effective in the 2-hole than Holt's GO, lineout, and pop-up.
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Post by soxfan2015 on Jun 3, 2015 21:00:52 GMT -5
Even if you want to say it's not Farrell's fault, how do you justify hitting Holt 2nd? Only chance we had tonight to score came with Holt up at the plate instead of Mookie, who I'd much rather have up there with RISP. It's stuff like this that can completely alter the game. holt had much better contact tonight than mookie. Mookie struck out twice looking against May. Clearly Farrell saw something about the match up
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Post by atzar on Jun 3, 2015 21:04:26 GMT -5
Even if you want to say it's not Farrell's fault, how do you justify hitting Holt 2nd? Only chance we had tonight to score came with Holt up at the plate instead of Mookie, who I'd much rather have up there with RISP. It's stuff like this that can completely alter the game. holt had much better contact tonight than mookie. Mookie struck out twice looking against May. Clearly Farrell saw something about the match up I'm not going to give him that much credit. I just don't think he bears the brunt of the blame tonight. There's no way you could have shuffled around our two hits to pop a win out on the other side.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 3, 2015 21:26:38 GMT -5
If there's a player who embodies the state of the Sox right now, it should be Mookie! Man, as a hitter he draw his share of walks, strikes out at a relatively low rate, has some moderate power..You look at the profile and you say to yourself "That's a pretty good hitting team/player! " but the offensive outcome is pretty weak!!! Balls hit sharpely right at hitters, weak pop ups to shallow OF and warning track power...It's pretty frustrating to watch sometimes and you get sick of it but I try to keep in mind that there's the development of back bone of, we hope, the next great Red Sox team taking place here... There's the SO and the losses to some obscure 6+ ERA pitchers but there's also the improving defense of X, the maturation of Swihart, the easy heat (and he knows where the ball is going) of Eddy... Who knews maybe they got hot at a certain point?
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 3, 2015 22:10:21 GMT -5
Even if you want to say it's not Farrell's fault, how do you justify hitting Holt 2nd? This is, of course, not a good justification but... did you know that, going into today, Holt led the team in offensive runs above average? Pedroia surely took that lead away today, but Holt is still well ahead on a per-PA basis. (He does not lead the team in offensive runs above average per PA because that distinction goes to Justin Masterson.)
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 3, 2015 22:30:05 GMT -5
Even if you want to say it's not Farrell's fault, how do you justify hitting Holt 2nd? Only chance we had tonight to score came with Holt up at the plate instead of Mookie, who I'd much rather have up there with RISP. It's stuff like this that can completely alter the game. When Jerry Remy has the explanation that everyone on this board fails to divine, we've reached a new low. May has a 100-OPS point platoon split this year. Presumably they have scouting reports and swing-path analysis, etc., that backs that up (since it's actually more than entirely BABIP driven, and his career splits are neutral.) They were pretty obviously trying to stack up some LHB against him.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jun 3, 2015 23:53:09 GMT -5
Farrell will probably end up being the fall guy if the offense doesn't improve. I don't really think it's justified, but when a whole slew of guys continue to underperform, and it has been a trend, maybe a change is needed, I don't know.
The pitching has been stellar recently, likely moving back towards how they've truly been pitching, just like BABIP/SIERRA suggested. Maybe part of it is the change in the pitching coach, but probably not. But until the offense steps up, this team won't contend.
But they are still well within reach where if some of these guys get to what they're expected to offensively, the team will be fine. Maybe they need a "spark", which could be a change in manager, a player change, who knows.
But Hanley needs to be far above a 110 wRC+, more in the 130 range, which is his career #. Sandoval needs to move towards at least his 13/14 numbers. Ortiz needs to improve drastically. If those three things happen, this offense will be far better. It's not unrealistic to expect those three guys to move back towards career numbers, which is why I'm not panicking. If the pitching sucked, I'd be worried.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 3, 2015 23:54:46 GMT -5
Well, the pitching was really good today. Eddie is a keeper and Porcello pitched very well. Too bad the Red Sox scored all their runs for the week in the first game and had nothing left for the second game.
It's always something that prevents the Sox from putting nice little winning streaks together. Too bad.
Just wondering - thinking that Nava's days with the Sox are numbered. Who is the Red Sox backup 1b? Is it Holt or do they play Holt at 3b and move Sandoval to 1b if Napoli needs a breather?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 3, 2015 23:57:14 GMT -5
Farrell will probably end up being the fall guy if the offense doesn't improve. I don't really think it's justified, but when a whole slew of guys continue to underperform, and it has been a trend, maybe a change is needed, I don't know. The pitching has been stellar recently, likely moving back towards how they've truly been pitching, just like BABIP/SIERRA suggested. Maybe part of it is the change in the pitching coach, but probably not. But until the offense steps up, this team won't contend. But they are still well within reach where if some of these guys get to what they're expected to offensively, the team will be fine. Maybe they need a "spark", which could be a change in manager, a player change, who knows. But Hanley needs to be far above a 110 wRC+, more in the 130 range, which is his career #. Sandoval needs to move towards at least his 13/14 numbers. Ortiz needs to improve drastically. If those three things happen, this offense will be far better. It's not unrealistic to expect those three guys to move back towards career numbers, which is why I'm not panicking. If the pitching sucked, I'd be worried. Don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities to anticipate that Betts will hit better as the season wears on. I have more faith in that than Sandoval hitting a lot better.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 4, 2015 0:38:09 GMT -5
Farrell will probably end up being the fall guy if the offense doesn't improve. I don't really think it's justified, but when a whole slew of guys continue to underperform, and it has been a trend, maybe a change is needed, I don't know. Why wouldn't it be Chili Davis? His track record is pretty meh, he didn't totally win like a WS 2 years ago and it seemed to work for whatever reason on the pitching end.
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