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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 9, 2015 22:09:41 GMT -5
I thought Ortiz was sitting now against lefties?
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Post by pokeefe363 on Jun 9, 2015 22:11:30 GMT -5
Having Castillo bunt was the turning point making it obvious they were going to lose. I was at the game and Chaz Roe didn't have it. Giving them that out was a huge boost.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 9, 2015 22:14:57 GMT -5
You'll want to check his numbers. Everyone has trouble with Gonzalez. This year, his WHIP is down, and his strikeouts up. Good K/BB ratio, and very good H/9. He's a quick take, so giving a guy like that a wider strike zone is bound to work to his advantage. I think he's made himself into the best starter in that rotation. |
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Post by pokeefe363 on Jun 9, 2015 22:20:30 GMT -5
You'll want to check his numbers. Everyone has trouble with Gonzalez. This year, his WHIP is down, and his strikeouts up. Good K/BB ratio, and very good H/9. He's a quick take, so giving a guy like that a wider strike zone is bound to work to his advantage. I think he's made himself into the best starter in that rotation. His FIP and lack of IP per start highlight his weaknesses. He's a guy who has really taxed the O's bullpen over the years by not going deep into games. I think him being the best at this point is more a statement of a weak Orioles pitching staff. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Jun 9, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
You'll want to check his numbers. Everyone has trouble with Gonzalez. This year, his WHIP is down, and his strikeouts up. Good K/BB ratio, and very good H/9. He's a quick take, so giving a guy like that a wider strike zone is bound to work to his advantage. I think he's made himself into the best starter in that rotation. Yeah I've never really looked into him very much. His career FIP is 4.60 but his career ERA is 3.46, I think cause he gives up a fair bit of dingers. Definitely a good, valuable pitcher though. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 9, 2015 23:05:21 GMT -5
You'll want to check his numbers. Everyone has trouble with Gonzalez. This year, his WHIP is down, and his strikeouts up. Good K/BB ratio, and very good H/9. He's a quick take, so giving a guy like that a wider strike zone is bound to work to his advantage. I think he's made himself into the best starter in that rotation. His FIP and lack of IP per start highlight his weaknesses. He's a guy who has really taxed the O's bullpen over the years by not going deep into games. I think him being the best at this point is more a statement of a weak Orioles pitching staff. Agree with you. That is not a spectacular staff. Nonetheless, they seem to perform over their heads. Gonzalez does that consistently without the greatest stuff. He does it with command, and he is outstanding at working with his catcher to set up hitters for his pitch. |
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Post by station13 on Jun 9, 2015 23:05:36 GMT -5
There's a fair amount to complain about tonight, but I just want to shout out that Junichi Tazawa has been absolutely phenomenal this season. Just an absolute beast. As much as I worry that he gets leaned on too hard, but man, if I was a manager I'd probably turn to him every day. He's an unsung hero for the Red Sox since 2012. Consistently perform well, very well, never injured. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 9, 2015 23:20:52 GMT -5
I knew it was bad but I just looked it up. Way worse than I thought. Ortiz in 70 PA vs LH is .114 /.162/ .276. NO WALKS. Sandoval in 55 is .145 / .113/ .259. Almost unbelievably bad.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 10, 2015 6:50:28 GMT -5
Brock Holt's failure to deliver a runner from third with less than two outs is huge at this point. That's just about the *first* thing a number two hitter should be able to do: make contact. I know some people love Holt, but there's a reason the guy's not an everyday player. In general, this team is terrible with its fundamentals on offense. When a guy guts out a start in which he clearly lacks his best stuff, and yet gives up zero runs in six innings, you damn well better get the win. Is this based on one at bat? |
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 10, 2015 7:18:10 GMT -5
Holt 298/388/413/802
Xander 297/343/401/744
Xander has one more extra base hit in 71 more abs.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 10, 2015 8:02:36 GMT -5
With a lefty going today. I'd like to see this lineup.
Pedroia - 2B
Bogaerts - SS
Ramirez - DH
Napoli - 1B
Castillo - RF
Betts - CF
Sandoval - 3B
Swihart - C
Da'za - LF
Have Papi and Holt to pinch-hit in a big spot against a righty. We could really use a healthy Victorino. Not having him the last year and a half has hurt.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2015 8:27:12 GMT -5
Brock Holt's failure to deliver a runner from third with less than two outs is huge at this point. That's just about the *first* thing a number two hitter should be able to do: make contact. I know some people love Holt, but there's a reason the guy's not an everyday player. In general, this team is terrible with its fundamentals on offense. When a guy guts out a start in which he clearly lacks his best stuff, and yet gives up zero runs in six innings, you damn well better get the win. Is this based on one at bat? No. But that at-bat reminded me of how irritating the claims that Holt should be a starter are. Really, it was mostly frustration with a monumental failure to do the one job he had that game...deliver contact. I like Holt, but he's not an everyday player IMO. Maybe for a team that doesn't have Pedroia at 2b, but that's not the team he's on. |
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2015 8:31:34 GMT -5
Holt 298/388/413/802 Xander 297/343/401/744 Xander has one more extra base hit in 71 more abs. He's also five years younger with the potential to be a much better hitter. I like Holt, but give me a break...he's not a number two hitter. He doesn't walk enough and he has no power. For a guy who strikes out every fifth at-bat, I expect more production. At least make contact and deliver the runner. He's a number 8 hitter on a team with a real offense. And by "real," I mean above 50th percentile. |
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Post by taftreign on Jun 10, 2015 8:42:41 GMT -5
Dare I say it. Greatest pitcher ever in the history of ever!!! *
* I almost didn't want to italicize it.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 10, 2015 8:42:59 GMT -5
We could really use a healthy Victorino. Not having him the last year and a half has hurt. there is no such thing as "a healthy Victorino". |
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 10, 2015 8:51:22 GMT -5
We could really use a healthy Victorino. Not having him the last year and a half has hurt. there is no such thing as "a healthy Victorino". This was a guy who averaged 143 GP in an 8 year stretch from 2006-2013. It's the last two years he couldn't stay healthy. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 10, 2015 9:31:40 GMT -5
My only hope at this point is that the Sox don't recover enough to be a .500ish kind of team. That would be utterly useless. Either win the division or tank (which I think they're more likely to do) and get a protected 1st round pick and draft high in what is supposed to be a strong draft class. I understand and accept this narrative more than I used to, but after so many years of following the Sox when they didn't have high draft picks, I would rather they try and be proactive to field a winning club (i.e. .500 club) this year and not worry about trying to get a high draft pick. This club has money and aging veterans coming off the books next year, has young promising players learning on the job and getting valuable experience and has an already good farm system with which to work from. If this team were the 2015 Phillies, I would agree, but it has a different roster construction. If they remain 5 or 6 games out of the wildcard by the time the deadline rolls around, I'd prefer they keep the guys and make a run for the 2 playoff spots, and risk a middling draft pick, understanding that a trade that does help the long term health of the franchise has to be considered. A tank or sell-off just doesn't seem like it should be considered. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 10, 2015 9:38:39 GMT -5
Not sure why everyone's so angry.
Two days off in a row could work wonders for this offense.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jun 10, 2015 9:52:48 GMT -5
I know Mookie sat Sunday and yesterday was an off day but he needs to sit a couple and maybe have a chat with Pedroia. I'm not so sure sitting Mookie is the best way to get it right. I think sending him down to work on the holes in his game may produce better results. Mookie Betts has a 12.6% K rate; he's not that far away from where he needs to be. I think he just needs to make a few adjustments, and I don't think he's going to make those adjustments against AAA pitching. John Sickels (or maybe it was originally Bill James) once defined a Grade A prospect as someone who dominates AA at age 22 (and I would add a year for catchers; because of the physical demands of the position, it takes longer to accumulate the needed reps). I think we're just going to have to be patient and recognize that Betts, Bogaerts and Swihart are the core of the next wave of contending Red Sox teams, but they are all three still very young for the jobs they are being asked to do. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 10, 2015 10:10:35 GMT -5
I'm not so sure sitting Mookie is the best way to get it right. I think sending him down to work on the holes in his game may produce better results. Mookie Betts has a 12.6% K rate; he's not that far away from where he needs to be. I think he just needs to make a few adjustments, and I don't think he's going to make those adjustments against AAA pitching. John Sickels (or maybe it was originally Bill James) once defined a Grade A prospect as someone who dominates AA at age 22 (and I would add a year for catchers; because of the physical demands of the position, it takes longer to accumulate the needed reps). I think we're just going to have to be patient and recognize that Betts, Bogaerts and Swihart are the core of the next wave of contending Red Sox teams, but they are all three still very young for the jobs they are being asked to do. I thought that his average was the result of bad Karma or unreasonably low BABIP especially if he strikes out at 12%. Regress to the norm...Regress to the Norm! Really, Mookie will be fine.......next year. See Xander. BTW, would anyone swap Panda at $20M for Middlebrooks right now. Will has 8 homers and bats about the same.....just a slight difference in salary. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 10, 2015 10:16:55 GMT -5
I listened to the game and I heard that Petey didn't know there was gonna be a bunt on that play with Castillo or he didn't break right away. Why do we have these miscommunications still in June? Stuff like that falls on the manager.
The lineup still needs adjusting why can't they drop the ones who are struggling down in the order? It is not working yesterday was unspeakable. Every single game is big. Munansky on Weei is right Napoli has the strike zone issues in his head. Sooner or later age is gonna catch up to Ortiz it happens to everyone. There is nothing wrong with questioning him. I still remember what he did. It sucks.
The one I don't get is Pablo. He just got signed he basically is no longer a good right handed hitter. This is the one I am concerned with. The other two the deals are just about up.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 10, 2015 10:44:55 GMT -5
Is this based on one at bat? No. But that at-bat reminded me of how irritating the claims that Holt should be a starter are. Really, it was mostly frustration with a monumental failure to do the one job he had that game...deliver contact. I like Holt, but he's not an everyday player IMO. Maybe for a team that doesn't have Pedroia at 2b, but that's not the team he's on. That looks like you're basing it on one at bat. Look at his stats. Everyone strikes out. Everyone strikes out with runners in scoring position. You're just blaming Holt because no one else drove in any runs. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 10, 2015 10:47:53 GMT -5
Mookie Betts has a 12.6% K rate; he's not that far away from where he needs to be. I think he just needs to make a few adjustments, and I don't think he's going to make those adjustments against AAA pitching. John Sickels (or maybe it was originally Bill James) once defined a Grade A prospect as someone who dominates AA at age 22 (and I would add a year for catchers; because of the physical demands of the position, it takes longer to accumulate the needed reps). I think we're just going to have to be patient and recognize that Betts, Bogaerts and Swihart are the core of the next wave of contending Red Sox teams, but they are all three still very young for the jobs they are being asked to do. I thought that his average was the result of bad Karma or unreasonably low BABIP especially if he strikes out at 12%. Regress to the norm...Regress to the Norm! Really, Mookie will be fine.......next year. See Xander. BTW, would anyone swap Panda at $20M for Middlebrooks right now. Will has 8 homers and bats about the same.....just a slight difference in salary.Middlebrooks has a .271 OBP. No freakin way. He's still bad. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2015 10:56:03 GMT -5
I also wouldn't trade Sandoval for Middlebrooks, but it's worth noting that WMB is .289/.309/.489 since May 12 after enduring a brutal 1 for 28 stretch. But the thing is, that's also the kind of player that he's going to be. He'll be his best self in the peaks, putting up a line similar to that .285/.310/.490, and then he'll likely go through awful slumps. He's also the kind of guy I could see the league figuring out for good in a couple years.
Sandoval just needs to pull it together. Worth noting that he's 4 for 14, all singles, without a strikeout hitting left on left after going 2 for 41 with 12 K's as a RHB.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 10, 2015 12:46:23 GMT -5
What happens when Masterson is activated? He can't possibly bump anyone else out of the rotation.
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