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2015 Post-Draft Discussion Thread
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 9, 2015 7:15:32 GMT -5
My feeling is that Brakeman probably was going to cost the most of any left. Valentin signing more than likely dashes all hopes of a brakeman sign and not necessarily a bad thing, just pointing that out.Brakeman may have wanted more than Boston had available.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 9, 2015 9:20:33 GMT -5
GCL infield crisis averted! Hallelujah! Great signing. As stated we all loved Brakeman but it just wasn't likely with the remaining budget.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 9, 2015 10:18:18 GMT -5
Certainly was hoping for Brakeman to sign, but I can see it from his side. Probably he will have a healthy and much better year in 2016 to get close to his perceived value.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 9, 2015 10:38:37 GMT -5
I swear you can not use Twitter to figure someone out. If you check Valentin profile he has committed to Auburn. Nothing about the Sox and when I scroll his pictures there is just one with a Sox's hat on. I figured it was one of those thanks for drafting me but going to school. Brakman doesn't really even post at all.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 9, 2015 10:39:00 GMT -5
Of course, we're all assuming he got over $100k (fair assumption given that he didn't sign until they knew what they had from rounds 1-10), but given that we all assumed Washington, Noviello, and Hamilton might... not necessarily a given.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 9, 2015 11:21:54 GMT -5
Certainly was hoping for Brakeman to sign, but I can see it from his side. Probably he will have a healthy and much better year in 2016 to get close to his perceived value. Maybe so, but I always wonder how much leverage he will have for negotiating as a senior even if he performs better...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 9, 2015 11:33:51 GMT -5
Certainly was hoping for Brakeman to sign, but I can see it from his side. Probably he will have a healthy and much better year in 2016 to get close to his perceived value. Maybe so, but I always wonder how much leverage he will have for negotiating as a senior even if he performs better... If he pitches himself into the first or second round, he'll at least get more than the $500k or so the Sox can give him. Looking at this year, you have to go to pick 91 to find the first sub-$500k signing (a HS kid, strangely). First sub-$1M, and a better comp, was Jeff Degano, who did two years in a juco, transferred to Indiana State, pitched in 2013 and 2015 after missing 2014, and got $650k at 57 (slot $1,074,400). But if he pitches well enough to go high next year, I don't see why he couldn't get $750k-1M.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 9, 2015 12:08:17 GMT -5
Certainly was hoping for Brakeman to sign, but I can see it from his side. Probably he will have a healthy and much better year in 2016 to get close to his perceived value. Maybe so, but I always wonder how much leverage he will have for negotiating as a senior even if he performs better... I wonder if a market inefficiency right now is to draft good Seniors (are there any?) in the first three rounds and then low-ball them. Their only real option is Indy league. I mean, even if Brakeman is pretty good next year, does he really have more value than this year? He's a year older, with more miles on his arm at that point, and less development than if he were in the minors.
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Post by danr on Jul 9, 2015 12:50:28 GMT -5
Brakeman is an economics major at Stanford so he probably is very smart and understands money and leverage. His leverage now is higher than it probably will be next year - unless he has a sensationally better season and is one of the top players in the draft. I don't know if that is realistic.
I just looked at his Stanford page. He was a catcher in high school. He only became a starting pitcher this year. He has developed rather rapidly. So maybe it is possible that he could be much better next year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 9, 2015 13:01:05 GMT -5
Brakeman is an economics major at Stanford so he probably is very smart and understands money and leverage. His leverage now is higher than it probably will be next year - unless he has a sensationally better season and is one of the top players in the draft. I don't know if that is realistic. I just looked at his Stanford page. He was a catcher in high school. He only became a starting pitcher this year. He has developed rather rapidly. So maybe it is possible that he could be much better next year. But he doesn't really have any leverage right now. The Red Sox aren't going to forfeit picks to sign him, so there is a number they literally will not go over, and they aren't going to sweat not signing their 16th round pick because it does nothing to the rest of their draft. If he goes back next year and plays his way into the first or second or even third round, the team expending that pick has a much higher incentive to get him signed, as it expended a high pick on him that it could have used on another talented player. Yes, the pick is protected, but there's still a gap in their draft for the current year where a talented player they could start developing now could be. At the very least, even if it's not a significantly higher incentive, there's still a higher incentive than what the Sox have right now. It's really just whether he's willing to gamble on getting a higher bonus next year. If, say, Lakins signed for slot and Valentin signed for only $100k, that leaves a bonus of $367,990 as the maximum bonus they could offer him. If he thinks, by going back to school, that he can get, say, double that with a healthy season (pretty much a lock in the first two rounds, you'd think), it's probably worth it for him to take the risk.
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Post by danr on Jul 9, 2015 13:27:28 GMT -5
It is hard for a young player to assess his own potential and I have no idea what advice he is getting. I also don't know what potential he has. So this is all speculation.
If he thinks he has a realistic chance to make the majors, he should sign now for as much as the Sox will pay him. If he makes the majors, he will more than make up whatever he loses by not waiting for possibly a better bonus next year - unless, of course, he was among the top ten in the first round - and that seems quite unlikely.
If the difference is "only" $300-400K, it would be financially foolish not to sign now. One year at the major league minimum will make that up. A year lost in his time to the majors might cost a whole lot more later in his career.
On the other hand, if his signing bonus is more likely to be about all the money he makes from baseball, then waiting makes sense.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 9, 2015 21:11:14 GMT -5
He wouldn't necessarily be one more year away from the majors, though. He'd be getting another year of development, just in college rather than A Ball. The only way it would make a real difference is if he were good enough to fast track right out of the gate, and if that were the case he'd have been picked much earlier.
The other important thing here is his non-baseball downside isn't the same as most draftees. If he doesn't sign then blows out his arm next year, he's still got that Stanford degree. He's probably good for a $75K/year job right out of school. He's not going to be Matt Harrington.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2015 13:20:38 GMT -5
Ryan Hannable @ryanhannable Hearing Red Sox sixth round pick RHP Travis Latkins out of Ohio State has signed and will report to the GCL. Nothing official though.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 13, 2015 12:18:29 GMT -5
Stevie Mangrum @steven_mangrum Honored that the Red Sox drafted me but I have decided to uphold my commitment to Virginia Tech.…
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 14, 2015 12:12:47 GMT -5
Boston signed 2B Andy Perez out of Duke. Great glove and big time speed.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 14, 2015 14:00:56 GMT -5
Red Sox officially announce Lakins and Valentin signings. I wouldn't hold out hope for anyone else.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 14, 2015 14:02:06 GMT -5
Jim Callis @jimcallismlb 1m1 minute ago 6th-rder Travis Lakins signs w/ redsox for $320k. (slot 171 = $287,500). Ohio St soph RHP, FB has hit 96, CH is best secondary P. @mlbdraft
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2015 14:03:10 GMT -5
yeah, that should pretty much do it.
Although, from the Draft History page...
By my math, they have $235,490 left on the 5% overage, so there might still be one more who signs for $335,490.
... unless Valentin's bonus is >100k
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 14, 2015 14:08:08 GMT -5
Red Sox officially announce Lakins and Valentin signings. I wouldn't hold out hope for anyone else. I can just hear it now in Beantown in 6 years or so......the crowd cheering Yomar, Yomar, Yomar! One letter off from one of my favorites.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2015 14:19:01 GMT -5
yeah, that should pretty much do it. Although, from the Draft History page... By my math, they have $235,490 left on the 5% overage, so there might still be one more who signs for $335,490. ... unless Valentin's bonus is >100k Never know, but I'd guess Valentin got over-slot based on the timing of his signing (this is the "ok, we have X left, let's see who's getting it" wave of signings). May not be the full amount remaining. My guess is they're done. Frankly, this is late for them the last few years. Haven't been deadline day signings for the Sox since the new system was put in place. Doesn't mean it won't happen this year, but... doubtful.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 14, 2015 14:24:06 GMT -5
Jim Callis @jimcallismlb 1m1 minute ago 6th-rder Travis Lakins signs w/ redsox for $320k. (slot 171 = $287,500). Ohio St soph RHP, FB has hit 96, CH is best secondary P. @mlbdraft I wonder if they'll fast track him as a reliever.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2015 14:24:55 GMT -5
Jim Callis @jimcallismlb 1m1 minute ago 6th-rder Travis Lakins signs w/ redsox for $320k. (slot 171 = $287,500). Ohio St soph RHP, FB has hit 96, CH is best secondary P. @mlbdraft I wonder if they'll fast track him as a reliever. He's going to the GCL, so probably not.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 14, 2015 14:26:22 GMT -5
yeah, that should pretty much do it. Although, from the Draft History page... By my math, they have $235,490 left on the 5% overage, so there might still be one more who signs for $335,490. ... unless Valentin's bonus is >100k According to mt spreadsheet, if Valentin got $250k and Noviello got $100k or less, we still have $85,490 to throw around. Not sure there is anyone in rounds 10+ that is worth $185,490 that will also sign for that. If Valentin only got $200k, then ...... well, you can work that out however you want in your head on the back of a napkin. Still not enough to get Brakeman, I don't think.
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Post by danr on Jul 14, 2015 14:48:50 GMT -5
They signed 22 of their first 24 picks and 28 overall. That's about average, or little above, historically.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 14, 2015 16:07:57 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll fast track him as a reliever. He's going to the GCL, so probably not. I don't recall any highly regarded (as in, not roster filler) college guys going to the GCL recently. He is a sophomore, which makes him a bit younger, but otherwise, sorta surprising. Wonder if the late sign also has something to do with it? And I suppose they could easily still send him to Lowell later this summer if they wanted to.
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