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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 8, 2015 20:21:54 GMT -5
Taz gonna go the last three innings?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2015 20:23:37 GMT -5
The bullpen has been so bad it's really unbelievable. I mean everyone sucks except for the Japanese guys. They should really almost consider replacing almost everyone in the winter.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 8, 2015 20:25:32 GMT -5
Taz gonna go the last three innings? Giving Tazawa saves is too expensive. Still in arbitration.
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Post by nomar on Aug 8, 2015 20:30:52 GMT -5
They should shut Tazawa down
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 8, 2015 20:31:11 GMT -5
Taz is broke
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 8, 2015 20:34:04 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 37s37 seconds ago Opposing hitters are slugging .623 against Red Sox relievers in the month of August.
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Post by station13 on Aug 8, 2015 20:35:11 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Aug 8, 2015 20:37:24 GMT -5
The bullpen has been so bad it's really unbelievable. I mean everyone sucks except for the Japanese guys. They should really almost consider replacing almost everyone in the winter. Robbie Ross has been OK. Since the start of May, he's been 3.86 ERA, 3.49 FIP, 3.61 xFIP, 3.39 SIERA in 32.2 IP. That's not great, but it's been solidly above-average, and he's both a lefty and a guy who can give you multiple innings.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2015 20:41:28 GMT -5
The bullpen has been so bad it's really unbelievable. I mean everyone sucks except for the Japanese guys. They should really almost consider replacing almost everyone in the winter. Robbie Ross has been OK. Since the start of May, he's been 3.86 ERA, 3.49 FIP, 3.61 xFIP, 3.39 SIERA in 32.2 IP. That's not great, but it's been solidly above-average, and he's both a lefty and a guy who can give you multiple innings. Great, one guy who has been average for part of the season. I don't think you're disagreeing with me too much.
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Post by station13 on Aug 8, 2015 20:42:10 GMT -5
BTW where is this team in the draft if they lose this game?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2015 20:47:09 GMT -5
I don't remember a faster catcher than Swihart. Maybe Jason Kendall was close.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2015 20:50:10 GMT -5
What's up with the Tigers' BP? They have a guy who has thrown over 40 pitches and struggling with a 1 run lead in the 8th?
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Post by jmei on Aug 8, 2015 20:54:15 GMT -5
Robbie Ross has been OK. Since the start of May, he's been 3.86 ERA, 3.49 FIP, 3.61 xFIP, 3.39 SIERA in 32.2 IP. That's not great, but it's been solidly above-average, and he's both a lefty and a guy who can give you multiple innings. Great, one guy who has been average for part of the season. I don't think you're disagreeing with me too much. He has been above-average for most of the season and averagish if you look at the entire season. I'm disagreeing with the idea that all the other internal options suck or that they have to sign or trade for five new relievers to have an acceptable bullpen next year. Ross is a mid-end piece with three years of team control left and Layne is a fine enough LOOGY-type, and between Ryan Cook, Jean Machi, Barnes, Kelly, Light, Hembree, Escobar and the returning-from-injury Varvaro and Workman, I think they really only need one or two additions this offseason.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2015 20:57:27 GMT -5
I don't consider 3.86ERA/3.49FIP/3.61 xFIP/3.39 SIERA above average. He has 0.0 fWAR for the season. The bullpen as a whole has 0.4 fWAR.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 8, 2015 21:11:02 GMT -5
He has been above-average for most of the season and averagish if you look at the entire season. I'm disagreeing with the idea that all the other internal options suck or that they have to sign or trade for five new relievers to have an acceptable bullpen next year. Ross is a mid-end piece with three years of team control left and Layne is a fine enough LOOGY-type, and between Ryan Cook, Jean Machi, Barnes, Kelly, Light, Hembree, Escobar and the returning-from-injury Varvaro and Workman, I think they really only need one or two additions this offseason. I don't think you can count Barnes, Kelly, or maybe even workman as definite possibilities here. We are talking about Ben Cherington here, I wouldn't be surprised if they are counted on as starter's/starter's depth next season.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2015 21:16:51 GMT -5
Jeez man, Rondon is ridiculous. He looks like Chapman.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 8, 2015 21:24:39 GMT -5
The Sox are the worst team in the American League. What a clusterf**k this season has been.
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Post by jmei on Aug 8, 2015 22:10:04 GMT -5
I don't consider 3.86ERA/3.49FIP/3.61 xFIP/3.39 SIERA above average. He has 0.0 fWAR for the season. The bullpen as a whole has 0.4 fWAR. League average for relievers is 3.6 or so, then adjust for park. Over that stretch, his ERA-/FIP-/xFIP- are all better than average. He had a really bad April, so his year to date stats aren't good.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 9, 2015 0:23:57 GMT -5
Considering that pedroia and betts are out of the lineup, holt is in year two of the post all star game fade to black, we have three rookie pitchers in the rotation and a black hole for a bullpen, we have not played as terribly as one might expect lately.
A couple of good foundation players are cutting their teeth this season to pay dividends down the road.
Two good starters and two relievers and a plan to get rameriez out of left field and we are a playoff team.
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Post by nomar on Aug 9, 2015 1:47:47 GMT -5
Considering that pedroia and betts are out of the lineup, holt is in year two of the post all star game fade to black, we have three rookie pitchers in the rotation and a black hole for a bullpen, we have not played as terribly as one might expect lately. A couple of good foundation players are cutting their teeth this season to pay dividends down the road. Two good starters and two relievers and a plan to get rameriez out of left field and we are a playoff team. Two good starters would make almost every other team a playoff team too. It's easier said than done if you aren't trying to burn the farm. Given how barren Salem-Portland is in potential impact SP, it's really important that we hang onto Owens and ERod IMO.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 9, 2015 10:07:55 GMT -5
Holt 3b Castillo RF Bogaerts SS Ortiz DH Shaw 1b DeAza LF Swihart C Rutledge 2b Bradley CF
Any game I don't have to watch Panda and Hanley is a good one, win or lose.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 9, 2015 10:17:49 GMT -5
Holt 3b Castillo RF Bogaerts SS Ortiz DH Shaw 1b DeAza LF Swihart C Rutledge 2b Bradley CF Any game I don't have to watch Panda and Hanley is a good one, win or lose. I'd rather watch Marrero than Rutledge, though.
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Post by danr on Aug 9, 2015 11:09:27 GMT -5
Ortiz and Bogaerts are the only players in today's lineup who were in the opening day lineup.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 9, 2015 11:36:48 GMT -5
Ortiz and Bogaerts are the only players in today's lineup who were in the opening day lineup. That's the good and the bad news. September baseball in early August.
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Post by danr on Aug 9, 2015 11:53:41 GMT -5
Listening on the radio broadcast to descriptions of JBJ's fielding, it sounds like he truly is a generational phenom fielder. It make me wonder what would happen if they just put him in CF and forgot about his hitting. I know they tried that last year but he is somewhat better now. Is his D so good that it would justify him not hitting much above .200, assuming he could do that?
The assumption here is that Betts moves to left and another good hitter is in RF.
An alternative is to put JBJ in RF but that seems like a bit of a waste and there it is harder to justify his lack of hitting.
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