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2015-2016 Boston Celtics Season Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2016 14:43:50 GMT -5
Fantastic team W against the Nuggets after the embarrassing end to the Utah match. Brad was pissed -- I'm glad the team got the message. I didn't get to watch but hopefully there'll be highlights up soon. While we wait: Jordan Mickey vs. the Jazz! Sully with 16/11/5 in 23 minutes tonight. This guy gets a LOT of stick for his weight but the stuff he can do in 22-28 mpg is fantastic, his rebounding his invaluable/genuinely astonishing for a short fat no-hops big man. But for all I love him, I just can't talk myself into a big contract for the guy... is his commitment to weight loss and conditioning for real, or will he let the dollar signs get in the way of calorie counts? I get that Sully just drives me crazy with his up and downs. At the same time, he might be our most important player. When he is on and rebounds and scores we are at our best. We have no one that can do what he can do. Johnson while a better defender is not the rebounder or scoring threat that Sully is. I also think Sully is a really good passer and helps get other players involved. For that reason I think we have to retain him and risk that it might turn out bad. I'd give him 5 years and 50 million, knowing what type of crazy offers will happen this offseason. Not sure I can see another team giving him more then that, even next year. Lets not forget that he is just 23 years old. One final thing is that Sully has really cut down on taking 3 pointers, which I think is huge. |
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Post by telson13 on Feb 22, 2016 15:41:39 GMT -5
They are just a fun-to-watch **team.** it's not the same talent level, but the sum-of-the-parts effect reminds me of the late oughts, along with the tough D. Sure, the Warriors weren't full-strength, but the C's gave them a LOT more trouble than the Spurs or OKC did recently.
Those Brooklyn picks look REAL good right now.
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Post by jmei on Feb 22, 2016 15:43:03 GMT -5
Bulpett reporting that a source says the target was Okafor. I heard that while watching the game. Was and still am a little shocked. Can see him becoming a brook lopez type player in a few years. But we need a defensive big and he is very bad right now at D. Add in the fact that he could have hurt us more this year then helped us and it's shocking that Danny was going to trade our best asset for Okafor. I don't know that we necessarily need a defensive big man. Despite the lack of one on the current roster, they're third in the league in defensive efficiency, and they have the sort of versatile, skilled defenders at the wing/guard positions to thrive despite not having a rim protector. Their issue is on the other end, and a guy like Okafor who can create good shots for himself and others would help a ton. I'd rather have Simmons or Ingram than Okafor, but I'd rather have Okafor than anyone else in this next draft class, and since the Brooklyn pick currently only has ~25% odds of landing in the top two, I think I'd trade that pick for Okafor. |
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Post by texs31 on Feb 22, 2016 15:49:35 GMT -5
My problem with the rumor, is that it said the offer was a "bigger package" for Okafor. So the question is, what else would have been going over and would THAT have been a good deal for Boston?
Maybe I'm reading too much into the words Danny used (okay, I'm DEFINITELY reading too much into them).
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Post by jmei on Feb 22, 2016 15:52:50 GMT -5
You're reading too much into it. I think the "bigger package" was just meant to imply that the 2016 Nets pick was part of the deal.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 22, 2016 16:01:45 GMT -5
So now the question is whether or not Philly would to it if it's not one of the top 2 picks?
If Philly HAD made the trade, they'd have a 38% chance (as of today) of getting the #1 pick (their own odds, Brooklyn's and the right to switch with Sacramento). But would they still be interested if it's #4 or #5 (THEN I would assume Boston would need to put something else in the deal)?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2016 17:20:19 GMT -5
I heard that while watching the game. Was and still am a little shocked. Can see him becoming a brook lopez type player in a few years. But we need a defensive big and he is very bad right now at D. Add in the fact that he could have hurt us more this year then helped us and it's shocking that Danny was going to trade our best asset for Okafor. I don't know that we necessarily need a defensive big man. Despite the lack of one on the current roster, they're third in the league in defensive efficiency, and they have the sort of versatile, skilled defenders at the wing/guard positions to thrive despite not having a rim protector. Their issue is on the other end, and a guy like Okafor who can create good shots for himself and others would help a ton. I'd rather have Simmons or Ingram than Okafor, but I'd rather have Okafor than anyone else in this next draft class, and since the Brooklyn pick currently only has ~25% odds of landing in the top two, I think I'd trade that pick for Okafor. Fair points, just a little early for me to say this draft only has two players that I would take over Okafor. I haven't looked this up but from what I have heard and seen while watching games Okafor would be a big step down from Sullinger and Johnson at the center spot in concerns to D. On offence he could develop into just what we need.
Also another part of me thinks one of these days things will go our way and we get lucky with a lottery pick. I admit not a very smart way to look at it, but man we are due some luck on lottery night!
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 22, 2016 17:51:31 GMT -5
I think Okafor has the potential to be a decent defender, and if he is he is an outstanding player. With that said, I'd be concerned with his fit on the current team. Offensively, he would work with IT, Bradley, and Crowder because they can all shoot. But defensively, having IT and Okafor out there together could be ugly. Put Smart in and it works defensively better, but there wouldn't be enough shooters unless KO is at the four, in which case the interior defense would get killed.
Tremendous talent, but until his defense improves he's a tough guy to build a team around.
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Post by nomar on Feb 26, 2016 9:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 28, 2016 1:48:58 GMT -5
Nice win by the C's but goddamn I can't contain myself, Steph Curry tonight was Jordan-esque.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 3, 2016 0:11:55 GMT -5
The thought of this Celtics team with a legit great big:  Great game by Sullinger tonight, but I've accepted he can't do it consistently. Thomas, Bradley and Crowder is such an incredible trio though, too bad this isn't a great draft at all for bigs besides obviously Ben Simmons. Suck harder Nets, come on. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Mar 3, 2016 11:08:15 GMT -5
Yeah this team is really good as currently constructed but that reliable big would be amazing.
Thomas is a great fit just because he is amazing in transition and Bradley, Crowder and Smart force so many open floor turnovers.
At this point it's just going to come down to the ping pong balls. The Nets will probably end up with like the 4th worst record, even though the Wolves and Suns are hardcore tanking. Simmons on this team would just be sick. They could play him at the 4 and have him run fast breaks and attack the rim off those dribble hand-offs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 3, 2016 19:02:55 GMT -5
Nets are trying to outsuck that prediction, they even lost to the Lakers recently. I'm more concerned about the Suns, that team is downright awful (which is surprising because off the bat it looked like McDonough was doing a great job). Can't be too angry with them after they gave us Thomas for a bag of balls.
Right now the Celtics would be facing the Hornets in the playoffs. That's pretty much the dream scenario right?
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Post by bookiemetts on Mar 3, 2016 19:10:30 GMT -5
Of the teams below them right now, I think the worst matchups for the Cs are the Hawks, Heat and the Pacers.
I would try to avoid the Pacers if possible, they always play well against the Celtics and Paul George could win a game by himself.
That being said I think they would still win the series, especially with home court.
The other teams are just mediocre to be honest.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 3, 2016 19:21:48 GMT -5
Yes, I very much wouldn't like to face the Pacers. The Heat only scare me if somehow Bosh comes back this year, then let Cleveland face them in the second round of the playoffs. Hawks are very beatable IMO.
But the Hornets? That would just be perfect. Then a second round against likely (and hopefully) the Raptors, who aren't too hot either. There's a legit shot for a conference finals appearance this year which is insane, not all that long ago this team was slipping and looked tank bound. Stevens is an OG.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 9, 2016 9:47:40 GMT -5
Pumped to get this team on ESPN the next two Wednesdays. Haven't been able to watch them much this year.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 9, 2016 21:05:59 GMT -5
Jesus what a GREAT third quarter against the Grizzlies. When they're on, the Celtics are a beautiful team to watch.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 15, 2016 22:44:50 GMT -5
So, Celtics lose, Nets win, here I am hoping the Lakers win The Worst Game Ever and even that doesn't look likely. Plus, Duncan passed Havlicek on the all-time scoring list. What an awful night for basketball. Edit: Oh, almost forgot about Rivers and the ugliest play ever. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 30, 2016 15:36:23 GMT -5
Don't look now but that Dallas pick has just slipped into the lottery. Of course, it won't get much better than the tied for 12th it currently is (with 8 games left, they are 5 games "ahead" of Orlando for the 11th spot and the pick is top 7 protected so a lottery win doesn't help Boston this year).
But, it could put them in the territory of getting another good player (the ESPN lotto machine puts Skal Labissiere, once a candidate at #2, in that range).
Or, you could think REALLY long term and hope that Dallas wins the lottery and this pick defers to next year where Dallas' increasing age could make them even worse (but that's probably pushing it).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 30, 2016 22:34:36 GMT -5
Don't look now but that Dallas pick has just slipped into the lottery. Of course, it won't get much better than the tied for 12th it currently is (with 8 games left, they are 5 games "ahead" of Orlando for the 11th spot and the pick is top 7 protected so a lottery win doesn't help Boston this year). But, it could put them in the territory of getting another good player (the ESPN lotto machine puts Skal Labissiere, once a candidate at #2, in that range). Or, you could think REALLY long term and hope that Dallas wins the lottery and this pick defers to next year where Dallas' increasing age could make them even worse (but that's probably pushing it). Nice. Would think this is about as high as we are going to get. Dallas is really good at retooling roster. Heck if they got Jordan pick would probably be in mid 20s. Heck of a year, team is going to playoffs and we could get 2 lottery picks. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 31, 2016 8:23:38 GMT -5
So rumors about Russell swirling... I hate the kind of crap that he did and the reason rumors are swirling is because the team hates him, but man is he talented. Would u trade Smart and the Dallas pick for him? I think you have to, but I wouldn't trade any of the Nets picks
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 1, 2016 0:04:05 GMT -5
After what he pulled? Hell no, I think D'angelo will be the first NBA player traded to Europe.
On a talent level if all is well and forgotten, yes, I'd do that trade in a second.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 1, 2016 5:58:23 GMT -5
Lakers wouldnt.
Very few in that locker room will remain after this season so he'll have a better chance of earning trust of a fresh group of players. He's immensely talented, so I'm sure he's not going anywhere unless as part of a trade for a superstar.
PS I broke my own rule about saying a trade won't happen but, there you go.
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Post by bookiemetts on Apr 1, 2016 23:49:49 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else is watching right now but this is an amazing game.
If they were shooting free throws like normal they'd be up a bunch.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 2, 2016 1:09:40 GMT -5
OH YEAH
Simmons is going berserk on twitter. Oh man what a time to be alive.
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