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Post by mgoetze on Apr 13, 2016 19:46:58 GMT -5
Pretty disappointing result for a first rounder. It's not like we get a first round pick every year...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 13, 2016 22:48:01 GMT -5
The fact that the Celtics and Red Sox both played and won tonight and they're talking about freaking Dominique Easley on BOTH Nesn and Comcast is absurd. I get the NFL guys are really invested in making it a 24/7 league but the April football stuff will never be that interesting.
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Post by rangoon82 on Apr 13, 2016 23:01:40 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 14, 2016 8:07:48 GMT -5
Other than pointing to him missing a lot of time and not being there when it mattered most (huge issues for sure); it's hard to say this isn't a big loss on the field. The guy was turning into a force on the field. Granted the sample wasn't big but he was disruptive up the middle and changed the defense. He would have been a game changer defensively this year if he stayed on the field. Football teams acquire a number if players for roles hoping that some pan out. They just lost one of their biggest upside players. That hurts a good deal.
Unfortunately, he was a scum bag and their pre-draft vetting process either failed them or they got double greedy due to how good he is when healthy.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 15, 2016 9:45:48 GMT -5
Has anyone ever traveled to a Patriots road game? I'm considering doing it for Cleveland this year, especially since the Pats home games are so expensive and I've been a bunch of times. Is it worth doing?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 16, 2016 17:45:36 GMT -5
Has anyone ever traveled to a Patriots road game? I'm considering doing it for Cleveland this year, especially since the Pats home games are so expensive and I've been a bunch of times. Is it worth doing? Absolutely. You'll have plenty of company, even in Cleveland. Pats fans travel well. |
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Post by mobaz on Apr 19, 2016 6:59:09 GMT -5
Other than pointing to him missing a lot of time and not being there when it mattered most (huge issues for sure); it's hard to say this isn't a big loss on the field. The guy was turning into a force on the field. Granted the sample wasn't big but he was disruptive up the middle and changed the defense. He would have been a game changer defensively this year if he stayed on the field. Football teams acquire a number if players for roles hoping that some pan out. They just lost one of their biggest upside players. That hurts a good deal. Unfortunately, he was a scum bag and their pre-draft vetting process either failed them or they got double greedy due to how good he is when healthy. Belichick's record with Florida players is awful, with Brandon Spikes the only one with a full season as a contributor. Chad Jackson, Jermaine Cunningham, Easley all awful on and off the field. Not to mention a 3-timer murderer. |
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Post by justen on Apr 21, 2016 14:56:01 GMT -5
Other than pointing to him missing a lot of time and not being there when it mattered most (huge issues for sure); it's hard to say this isn't a big loss on the field. The guy was turning into a force on the field. Granted the sample wasn't big but he was disruptive up the middle and changed the defense. He would have been a game changer defensively this year if he stayed on the field. Football teams acquire a number if players for roles hoping that some pan out. They just lost one of their biggest upside players. That hurts a good deal. Unfortunately, he was a scum bag and their pre-draft vetting process either failed them or they got double greedy due to how good he is when healthy. Bill drafts players based on talent level. Obviously, every team in the NFL is going to (hopefully) do thorough research on a potential player's background and what kind of person they may be. However, "The Patriot Way" has always seemed to be Bill's fallback when taking the risk on high-maintenance guys. The hope was and still is that the many veterans in the Patriots locker room (back then: Bruschi, Vrabel, McGinnest etc etc etc...) offer enough guidance for the troubled players to realize "hey if I want to win I have to be like them". Because to not adopt the Patriot way, is to go try and win somewhere else. The draft isn't the only place he takes risks on guys like this (Haynesworth, Moss, Dillon), and not all of these risks tend to work out, simply because they were resistant to the changes necessary. You probably didn't mean to imply an argument to any of this, but easy with criticism of the almighty Belichick. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 25, 2016 10:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 25, 2016 11:25:25 GMT -5
lol
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Post by justen on Apr 25, 2016 12:14:31 GMT -5
Roger feels like a big-boy now
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2016 13:29:59 GMT -5
It would be so tempting to just retire and never show up for another NFL event ever again and not show up for the Hall of Fame induction.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2016 14:40:02 GMT -5
Then Goddell wins. Sit 4 games, come back win Superbowl.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2016 14:56:03 GMT -5
With the latest report that Brady lead the league in merchandise sales, I doubt Goodell would consider a league without Brady a "win".
One of the biggest misperceptions of this whole thing is that RG/NFL had it out for NE/Brady. Not true. He just chose the accusation of inflated footballs as the platform where he'd gain back a little respect (after a series of "bad looks"). I'm guessing he'd figure that NE/Brady would back down (Kraft did, Tom didn't) and he'd look like a winner.
That's not what happened and neither side backed down. Unfortunately for NE/Brady, the issue became about this power (which the players gave him) not about whether the balls were deflated or not.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2016 15:38:45 GMT -5
Then Goddell wins. Sit 4 games, come back win Superbowl. He'd get blamed for Brady's premature retirement and absence from football. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2016 15:41:45 GMT -5
With the latest report that Brady lead the league in merchandise sales, I doubt Goodell would consider a league without Brady a "win". One of the biggest misperceptions of this whole thing is that RG/NFL had it out for NE/Brady. Not true. He just chose the accusation of inflated footballs as the platform where he'd gain back a little respect (after a series of "bad looks"). I'm guessing he'd figure that NE/Brady would back down (Kraft did, Tom didn't) and he'd look like a winner. That's not what happened and neither side backed down. Unfortunately for NE/Brady, the issue became about this power (which the players gave him) not about whether the balls were deflated or not. It's all about Goodell being a Jets fan who hates the Patriots. See Spygate. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2016 16:15:26 GMT -5
Then Goddell wins. Sit 4 games, come back win Superbowl. He'd get blamed for Brady's premature retirement and absence from football. You think Tom cares about that? Tom wants to be best QB every, retirement after this doesn't help that. Another Superbowl does. If you want to save face sue the league, I wouldn't, but you could. At this point serve 4 games and then win another Superbowl. This just needs to be over. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2016 16:18:24 GMT -5
With the latest report that Brady lead the league in merchandise sales, I doubt Goodell would consider a league without Brady a "win". One of the biggest misperceptions of this whole thing is that RG/NFL had it out for NE/Brady. Not true. He just chose the accusation of inflated footballs as the platform where he'd gain back a little respect (after a series of "bad looks"). I'm guessing he'd figure that NE/Brady would back down (Kraft did, Tom didn't) and he'd look like a winner. That's not what happened and neither side backed down. Unfortunately for NE/Brady, the issue became about this power (which the players gave him) not about whether the balls were deflated or not. It's all about Goodell being a Jets fan who hates the Patriots. See Spygate. Haha. Sypgate is why deflate gate happend. So many teams though we got off way too easy. Been out for blood ever since. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 25, 2016 16:18:27 GMT -5
With the latest report that Brady lead the league in merchandise sales, I doubt Goodell would consider a league without Brady a "win". One of the biggest misperceptions of this whole thing is that RG/NFL had it out for NE/Brady. Not true. He just chose the accusation of inflated footballs as the platform where he'd gain back a little respect (after a series of "bad looks"). I'm guessing he'd figure that NE/Brady would back down (Kraft did, Tom didn't) and he'd look like a winner. That's not what happened and neither side backed down. Unfortunately for NE/Brady, the issue became about this power (which the players gave him) not about whether the balls were deflated or not. I might buy that if the Jets didn't receive a significantly lighter punishment than the Chiefs for tampering for the same exact offense with a better player to boot. I don't think its a coincidence the league is based in NY, run by New Yorkers and the New York teams seemingly play by a different set of rules. That being said, I think you are right people are overestimatig Goodell's role. I think people are underestimating how much of this was the other owners, particularly the Giants and Cowboys owners seemed to really be pushing Goodell here. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2016 16:52:00 GMT -5
He'd get blamed for Brady's premature retirement and absence from football. You think Tom cares about that? Tom wants to be best QB every, retirement after this doesn't help that. Another Superbowl does. If you want to save face sue the league, I wouldn't, but you could. At this point serve 4 games and then win another Superbowl. This just needs to be over. I'm just telling you what I'd be tempted to do if I were him. Just plain quit. The NFL gets a lot more from Tom Brady than he gets from them. And the guy running the league doesn't realize that or doesn't care. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 25, 2016 17:36:11 GMT -5
Yeah honestly screw he NFL at this point. They're staring another road playoff loss in the face right now. The thing that concerns me is the Patriots have struggled on the road vs good teams and I just don't see them beating two in a row on the road.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2016 18:06:39 GMT -5
You think Tom cares about that? Tom wants to be best QB every, retirement after this doesn't help that. Another Superbowl does. If you want to save face sue the league, I wouldn't, but you could. At this point serve 4 games and then win another Superbowl. This just needs to be over. I'm just telling you what I'd be tempted to do if I were him. Just plain quit. The NFL gets a lot more from Tom Brady than he gets from them. And the guy running the league doesn't realize that or doesn't care. Remember Roger works for owners. If Brady walks away tomorrow, only one owner is going to be upset. The other 31 team owners are like our chances at Superbowl just went up. NFL has been trying to sell parity for years. Tom Brady and the Patriots dominate year in and year out. I agree from a pure financial point of view Brady makes these owners a lot of money. These Billionaire owners though want to win at all costs. You just don't see tanking in NFL like you do in NBA and Baseball. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2016 18:46:25 GMT -5
I'm just telling you what I'd be tempted to do if I were him. Just plain quit. The NFL gets a lot more from Tom Brady than he gets from them. And the guy running the league doesn't realize that or doesn't care. Remember Roger works for owners. If Brady walks away tomorrow, only one owner is going to be upset. The other 31 team owners are like our chances at Superbowl just went up. NFL has been trying to sell parity for years. Tom Brady and the Patriots dominate year in and year out. I agree from a pure financial point of view Brady makes these owners a lot of money. These Billionaire owners though want to win at all costs. You just don't see tanking in NFL like you do in NBA and Baseball. I honestly don't care. If you can't accept my opinion and feelings on the subject, then put me on ignore. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2016 20:22:08 GMT -5
Remember Roger works for owners. If Brady walks away tomorrow, only one owner is going to be upset. The other 31 team owners are like our chances at Superbowl just went up. NFL has been trying to sell parity for years. Tom Brady and the Patriots dominate year in and year out. I agree from a pure financial point of view Brady makes these owners a lot of money. These Billionaire owners though want to win at all costs. You just don't see tanking in NFL like you do in NBA and Baseball. I honestly don't care. If you can't accept my opinion and feelings on the subject, then put me on ignore. Don't post if you don't want comments! |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 26, 2016 6:17:30 GMT -5
You're right. Back to ignore.
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