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Post by telson13 on Jun 20, 2016 19:04:08 GMT -5
Frankie Rodriguez had a 689 OPS his one year at SS (712 if you include his 7/14, 3B with the GCL), which sounds unimpressive, but the league was 679. He had an .027 HR/Contact, versus the league's .018. I mean, that's solid and all, but look at what he did as a pitcher with Pawtucket at 21. 160 Ks and only 60 walks in 186 innings. He was an okay prospect as a hitter and a near-elite one on the mound. Probably about the difference between Mauricio Dubon and Jason Groome in current terms. He was only 19 in the NYP though; I think the Sox made the move more out of "if he's gonna be a star either way (which they probably believed), how can we get him to MLB the fastest way? Of course, the question is, if he stayed at SS, and was on the cusp of MLB in 1994, do they still draft Nomar? |
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 20, 2016 20:22:15 GMT -5
I mean, that's solid and all, but look at what he did as a pitcher with Pawtucket at 21. 160 Ks and only 60 walks in 186 innings. He was an okay prospect as a hitter and a near-elite one on the mound. Probably about the difference between Mauricio Dubon and Jason Groome in current terms. He was only 19 in the NYP though; I think the Sox made the move more out of "if he's gonna be a star either way (which they probably believed), how can we get him to MLB the fastest way? Of course, the question is, if he stayed at SS, and was on the cusp of MLB in 1994, do they still draft Nomar? What you have or may have never affects what you draft or don't draft. |
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Post by telson13 on Jun 20, 2016 20:48:43 GMT -5
He was only 19 in the NYP though; I think the Sox made the move more out of "if he's gonna be a star either way (which they probably believed), how can we get him to MLB the fastest way? Of course, the question is, if he stayed at SS, and was on the cusp of MLB in 1994, do they still draft Nomar? What you have or may have never affects what you draft or don't draft. In theory. In reality, they may never have put as much time into scouting him, or they may have liked someone else similarly, or any other number of minute, history-changing scenarios. That's the butterfly effect. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2016 20:51:52 GMT -5
Hmmm...the idea that they can sign Shawaryn overslot, Groome for less 4M and sign Quintana is starting to seem farfetched. Interested, but a little nervous, to see how all of these signings play out. They're probably playing them all against each other... |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 21, 2016 6:57:30 GMT -5
Frank Howard was also a Fit looking 6'7 at the time. Biggest shame was nobody seemed to take the time and really teach him how to hit the ball everywhere until Williams at Washington kind of late in his career. Thought he had a chance to be a HOF guy, could he have either played for Williams a few more years, or lasted a few more seasons at the top of his game. One of those rare people that had a 2000's body and maintained it during the 60's. Shame that people had no idea how he should approach the game on the field until Williams came along with the Senators and even had people like Eddie Brinkman hitting. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 21, 2016 10:19:58 GMT -5
Frank Howard was also a Fit looking 6'7 at the time. Biggest shame was nobody seemed to take the time and really teach him how to hit the ball everywhere until Williams at Washington kind of late in his career. Thought he had a chance to be a HOF guy, could he have either played for Williams a few more years, or lasted a few more seasons at the top of his game. One of those rare people that had a 2000's body and maintained it during the 60's. Shame that people had no idea how he should approach the game on the field until Williams came along with the Senators and even had people like Eddie Brinkman hitting. Off thread perhaps but had to comment on Howard....a beast of a man. I was at Fenway (must have been late 60's) when Howard hit a line drive hr 10-15 rows up in the bleachers over the 420 sign.... |
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Post by rpiguy on Jun 21, 2016 20:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jun 21, 2016 21:22:25 GMT -5
Frank Howard was also a Fit looking 6'7 at the time. Biggest shame was nobody seemed to take the time and really teach him how to hit the ball everywhere until Williams at Washington kind of late in his career. Thought he had a chance to be a HOF guy, could he have either played for Williams a few more years, or lasted a few more seasons at the top of his game. One of those rare people that had a 2000's body and maintained it during the 60's. Shame that people had no idea how he should approach the game on the field until Williams came along with the Senators and even had people like Eddie Brinkman hitting. Off thread perhaps but had to comment on Howard....a beast of a man. I was at Fenway (must have been late 60's) when Howard hit a line drive hr 10-15 rows up in the bleachers over the 420 sign.... He hit two homers in my first MLB game. The first came off of Luis Tiant, although I didn't remember that. I looked the game up on BBRef. |
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Post by dewey1972 on Jun 21, 2016 21:23:29 GMT -5
I did some spreadsheet work last night. Since he returned from the minors for good on June 25 th of last season, Bradley's line is .282/.352/.552, with 60 XBH including 20 home runs. That's in 121 games and 455 plate appearances. Also, he's yet to be thrown out stealing for his ML career though it's only been 18 attempts. This is starting to look very real. To save you some time in the future, on Fangraphs' player pages, if you go to the "Game Log" tab, you can adjust the dates and it will give you all the stats over whatever time period you want. One of my favorite features. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 21, 2016 21:41:37 GMT -5
OK all, let's try to get this back on topic of the 2016 draft class, yes?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 21, 2016 21:50:58 GMT -5
With Florida eliminated from the CWS, I would expect a Shaun Anderson signing soon. It will be interesting to see if he gets slot. I predict a tick below that.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 21, 2016 22:27:29 GMT -5
With Florida eliminated from the CWS, I would expect a Shaun Anderson signing soon. It will be interesting to see if he gets slot. I predict a tick below that. I sure hope he doesn't as there aren't many signings left to save money, and we currently don't have enough to offer Groome 4M and do much else. At this point, I'm really wondering if the Sox are offering something in the neighborhood of 3.6 or 3.7M as a take it or leave it offer. It seems about the only scenario if they want to Shawaryn overslot and have anything extra for Rounds 11 and later. |
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Post by redsoxrich on Jun 22, 2016 8:14:04 GMT -5
With Florida eliminated from the CWS, I would expect a Shaun Anderson signing soon. It will be interesting to see if he gets slot. I predict a tick below that. I was really disappointed with him the other night in the first game of the CWS. Fastball topped out at 91 but was mostly 89-90. Pretty good slider, but didn't command it well. I saw no indication of the 93-96 that he supposedly has. Maybe just tired arm? If he's 89-90 in short relief, no way he's going to be a starter. Looks like middle reliever at best. I wouldn't offer him anywhere near slot. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 22, 2016 8:57:08 GMT -5
With Florida eliminated from the CWS, I would expect a Shaun Anderson signing soon. It will be interesting to see if he gets slot. I predict a tick below that. I was really disappointed with him the other night in the first game of the CWS. Fastball topped out at 91 but was mostly 89-90. Pretty good slider, but didn't command it well. I saw no indication of the 93-96 that he supposedly has. Maybe just tired arm? If he's 89-90 in short relief, no way he's going to be a starter. Looks like middle reliever at best. I wouldn't offer him anywhere near slot. Given that college pitchers are notoriously overworked, I'll assume he was tired. |
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Post by MLBDreams on Jun 22, 2016 10:28:52 GMT -5
With Florida eliminated from the CWS, I would expect a Shaun Anderson signing soon. It will be interesting to see if he gets slot. I predict a tick below that. I was really disappointed with him the other night in the first game of the CWS. Fastball topped out at 91 but was mostly 89-90. Pretty good slider, but didn't command it well. I saw no indication of the 93-96 that he supposedly has. Maybe just tired arm? If he's 89-90 in short relief, no way he's going to be a starter. Looks like middle reliever at best. I wouldn't offer him anywhere near slot. Not surprise to hear that he didn't impress by Anderson's performance during the CWS. I did same thing with point of view at Dalbec as hitter during the CWS but he pitched well in next game. Hope both guys taking below the slot money as reliever pitchers. I heard from earlier source that Mike Shawaryn is seeking 600K for signing as bonus. 300K from above the slot. All guys drafted as 5th round were mostly either below the slot or at slot. Only one guy barely is 134K above from the slot. Is Mike more special than any of these guys from their 5th round draft? He must be Yankees fan from Jersey and jerk enough to ask for highest figure. It didn't help with the bonus savings for Jason Groome. He's the one gets above the slot. www.mlbdailydish.com/2016/6/12/11909596/2016-mlb-draft-draft-signings-tracker |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 22, 2016 12:21:46 GMT -5
Your source is the Boston Herald from 2 days ago
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 22, 2016 15:42:12 GMT -5
I was really disappointed with him the other night in the first game of the CWS. Fastball topped out at 91 but was mostly 89-90. Pretty good slider, but didn't command it well. I saw no indication of the 93-96 that he supposedly has. Maybe just tired arm? If he's 89-90 in short relief, no way he's going to be a starter. Looks like middle reliever at best. I wouldn't offer him anywhere near slot. Not surprise to hear that he didn't impress by Anderson's performance during the CWS. I did same thing with point of view at Dalbec as hitter during the CWS but he pitched well in next game. Hope both guys taking below the slot money as reliever pitchers. I heard from earlier source that Mike Shawaryn is seeking 600K for signing as bonus. 300K from above the slot. All guys drafted as 5th round were mostly either below the slot or at slot. Only one guy barely is 134K above from the slot. Is Mike more special than any of these guys from their 5th round draft? He must be Yankees fan from Jersey and jerk enough to ask for highest figure. It didn't help with the bonus savings for Jason Groome. He's the one gets above the slot. www.mlbdailydish.com/2016/6/12/11909596/2016-mlb-draft-draft-signings-tracker How much leverage does Shawaryn really have? Sure he can go back to College, but he'll most likely get a lot less next year as a senior. |
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Post by borisman on Jun 22, 2016 16:22:21 GMT -5
How much leverage does Shawaryn really have? Sure he can go back to College, but he'll most likely get a lot less next year as a senior. I think he's trying to say "look at sophomore stats, that's the pitcher you're signing". |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 22, 2016 16:54:44 GMT -5
Not surprise to hear that he didn't impress by Anderson's performance during the CWS. I did same thing with point of view at Dalbec as hitter during the CWS but he pitched well in next game. Hope both guys taking below the slot money as reliever pitchers. I heard from earlier source that Mike Shawaryn is seeking 600K for signing as bonus. 300K from above the slot. All guys drafted as 5th round were mostly either below the slot or at slot. Only one guy barely is 134K above from the slot. Is Mike more special than any of these guys from their 5th round draft? He must be Yankees fan from Jersey and jerk enough to ask for highest figure. It didn't help with the bonus savings for Jason Groome. He's the one gets above the slot. www.mlbdailydish.com/2016/6/12/11909596/2016-mlb-draft-draft-signings-tracker How much leverage does Shawaryn really have? Sure he can go back to College, but he'll most likely get a lot less next year as a senior. I have wondered this though....it seems like teams should have way more leverage since the alternative for the player is getting drafted as senior and having zero leverage. That said, weird things happen. Funkhouser who has struggled most of the year as a senior, just signed for overslot. Gio Brusa, another senior, signed for full slot. |
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Post by alnipper on Jun 22, 2016 17:04:00 GMT -5
We'd all rather sign Groome than Shawaryn, so if Shawaryn asking price makes the difference, I hope he enjoys his senior year in college.
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Post by burk on Jun 22, 2016 17:21:25 GMT -5
Agreed, 100%. Quick question- if Shawaryn doesn't sign, is there some kind of monetary penalty for that? I also would like enough money for Quintana. Sign Groome and Quintana and that makes me a happy fat man.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 22, 2016 17:58:26 GMT -5
Agreed, 100%. Quick question- if Shawaryn doesn't sign, is there some kind of monetary penalty for that? I also would like enough money for Quintana. Sign Groome and Quintana and that makes me a happy fat man. We lose the slot value of his pick plus the 5% overage of our total draft pool. I think a lot of what gets said is just public posturing. Read it and enjoy it, but don't pay a ton of attention to it. |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 22, 2016 19:51:05 GMT -5
Dalbec pitched a great game against Oklahoma state. Only one run allowed, but Arizona lost 1 to 0.
In the batter's box tonight, he looks terrible. Long swing and he chases everything.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 22, 2016 21:34:06 GMT -5
Dalbec pitched a great game against Oklahoma state. Only one run allowed, but Arizona lost 1 to 0. In the batter's box tonight, he looks terrible. Long swing and he chases everything. He has to redo his swing. I think he'll be a project, but has lots of upside. |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 22, 2016 22:09:33 GMT -5
Dalbec pitched a great game against Oklahoma state. Only one run allowed, but Arizona lost 1 to 0. In the batter's box tonight, he looks terrible. Long swing and he chases everything. He has to redo his swing. I think he'll be a project, but has lots of upside. I've seen elementary school kids with a better plan in the batter's box than that kid. |
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