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Post-Draft Discussion Thread
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 22, 2016 22:48:51 GMT -5
Agreed, 100%. Quick question- if Shawaryn doesn't sign, is there some kind of monetary penalty for that? I also would like enough money for Quintana. Sign Groome and Quintana and that makes me a happy fat man. We lose the slot value of his pick plus the 5% overage of our total draft pool. I think a lot of what gets said is just public posturing. Read it and enjoy it, but don't pay a ton of attention to it. To be clear, because I'm not sure if you're saying this or not, you lose the slot value for that pick and the 5% of that pick, not the entire $300k+ or whatever it is, which is what it seemed like you were saying. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 23, 2016 9:47:46 GMT -5
Interesting to see Matt Manning sign with the Tigers for slot ($3.5 mil). There were rumors he wanted $5 million.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 23, 2016 12:55:58 GMT -5
We lose the slot value of his pick plus the 5% overage of our total draft pool. I think a lot of what gets said is just public posturing. Read it and enjoy it, but don't pay a ton of attention to it. To be clear, because I'm not sure if you're saying this or not, you lose the slot value for that pick and the 5% of that pick, not the entire $300k+ or whatever it is, which is what it seemed like you were saying. Yeah, just the 5% for that pick. I forgot how carefully you have to word things around here. |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 23, 2016 13:12:12 GMT -5
Interesting to see Matt Manning sign with the Tigers for slot ($3.5 mil). There were rumors he wanted $5 million. Sounds familiar! Lets hope we can be nearly as lucky....if Groome signs for anything less than 3.8, it would be very helpful for the rest of our draft picks. |
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Post by urgent on Jun 23, 2016 13:31:04 GMT -5
In a fixed pool environment, are there any examples of members of a draft class being less welcoming of a star who consumed signing dollars they might have otherwise received?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 23, 2016 18:21:43 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier
Red Sox announce signings of 5 more draft picks: 8th round C Alan Marrero, 19th rd LHP Kyle Hart, 22nd rd Granger Studdard...
Alex Speier @alexspeier
...24th rd RHP Hunter Smith, 26th rd RHP Jared Oliver.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 23, 2016 18:38:12 GMT -5
Interesting to see Matt Manning sign with the Tigers for slot ($3.5 mil). There were rumors he wanted $5 million. I was surprised to see that figure. I think the Tigers got a steal. |
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Post by telson13 on Jun 23, 2016 18:39:53 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier Red Sox announce signings of 5 more draft picks: 8th round C Alan Marrero, 19th rd LHP Kyle Hart, 22nd rd Granger Studdard... Alex Speier @alexspeier ...24th rd RHP Hunter Smith, 26th rd RHP Jared Oliver. Nice...cornering the Marrero market. Have they IDed a new inefficiency? |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 23, 2016 19:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 23, 2016 20:14:58 GMT -5
you forgot the key point That process has yet to commence in earnest. According to major league sources, there haven’t been substantive conversations about Groome’s signing bonus between the team and Randazzo. Groome wasn’t eligible to sign until after his graduation from Barnegat (N.J.) High School Wednesday, so the Sox viewed the end of this week as a likely time to initiate dialogue, well in advance of the July 15 deadline. |
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 23, 2016 20:38:44 GMT -5
you forgot the key point That process has yet to commence in earnest. According to major league sources, there haven’t been substantive conversations about Groome’s signing bonus between the team and Randazzo. Groome wasn’t eligible to sign until after his graduation from Barnegat (N.J.) High School Wednesday, so the Sox viewed the end of this week as a likely time to initiate dialogue, well in advance of the July 15 deadline.I wouldn't view that as "key" because he isn't signing until around the deadline anyways. Also, negotiations are between the team and his advisor. |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 23, 2016 22:26:11 GMT -5
Geez...they shouldn't go to 4.4M. I mean they can't go that high. They would need to save 350k between Anderson, Dalbec, Marrero, and Espinal. Thats kind of farfetched in my opinion, and even if they could, they wouldn't have any extra money for Shawaryn or a single player after Round 11 for more than 100k. |
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Post by telson13 on Jun 24, 2016 0:42:26 GMT -5
Geez...they shouldn't go to 4.4M. I mean they can't go that high. They would need to save 350k between Anderson, Dalbec, Marrero, and Espinal. Thats kind of farfetched in my opinion, and even if they could, they wouldn't have any extra money for Shawaryn or a single player after Round 11 for more than 100k. I'm hoping that that 4.4 is a high estimate, but I do think that Anderson signs for a fair amount below slot. He's a late-4th round talent by the rankings sites, so I'm hoping that they can get him for under $500k. |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 24, 2016 7:54:22 GMT -5
Here is Take #3 of my projections for the 2016 signing season. Disclaimer disclaimer, yada yada yada.
Signed
2 CJ Chatham $1,100,000
6 Steve Nogosek $250,000
7 Ryan Scott $10,000
8 Alan Marrero Unknown, projected @ $50,000
9 Matt McLean $10,000
14 Robby Sexton <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
17 Nick Sciortino <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
19 Kyle Hart <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
20 Nick Lovullo <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
22 Granger Studdard <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
24 Hunter Smith <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
26 Jared Oliver <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
UD Steven Reveles <$100,000 ($0 against cap)
Top Ten Rounds (entire amount counts towards bonus cap)
Round, Player, Projected Bonus
1 Jason Groome $4,200,000
3 Shaun Anderson $500,000
4 Bobby Dalbec $400,000
5 Mike Shawaryn $600,000
10 Santiago Espinal $50,000
After 10th round, above $100K (first $100,000 does not count towards bonus cap)
11 Nick Quintana $250,000 ($150,000 against cap)
After 10th round, possible $100,000 or less signs (count $0 towards cap)
12 Matthew Gorst
15 Michael Wilson
16 Alberto Schmidt
21 Beau Cappanna
23 Juan Carlos Abreu (signing)
27 Vince Arobio
28 Jordan Scheftz (likely signing)
34 Aaron McGarity (50-50)
36 Jordan Wren
Total spent towards cap using these projections: $7,320,000
Red Sox Cap: $6,997,400
Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $7,347,270
Projected not to sign
13 Brady Bramlett (not signing)
18 Trevor Stephan
25 Francsico Soto
29 Cam Shepherd
30 Tyler Fitzgerald
31 Christian Jones
32 Jeff Belge (not signing)
33 Chad Hardy
35 John Rave
37 Carter Aldrete (not signing)
38 Austin Bergner
39 Jake Wilson (50-50)
40 Carter Henry
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Post by kman22 on Jun 24, 2016 8:10:04 GMT -5
If they managed to get rounds 1-10, plus Quintana, I'd be a very happy camper.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 24, 2016 8:15:06 GMT -5
Lol Mike. You f-ed up the < sign again.
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Post by azblue on Jun 24, 2016 11:48:48 GMT -5
"Total spent towards cap using these projections: $7,32,000"
Missing digit
Thanks for the info. Very helpful
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 24, 2016 22:23:30 GMT -5
Lol Mike. You f-ed up the < sign again. Sheist. Sent from my smart phone |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 25, 2016 11:47:13 GMT -5
Matt Gorst is with the Spinners and has a deal with the Red Sox
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 25, 2016 12:21:52 GMT -5
Lol Mike. You f-ed up the < sign again. Sheist. Sent from my smart phone When trying to remember which sign is which, just think of it like a road sign to the number line. < is pointing to the smaller (less than) numbers on the number line, and > is pointing to the larger (greater than) numbers on the number line. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 25, 2016 12:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 25, 2016 14:05:37 GMT -5
Just think of it like a road sign to the number line. < is pointing to the smaller (less than) numbers, and > is pointing to the larger (greater than) numbers. Is that true? I've always learned it as the sign always points to the smaller number and tries to eat the bigger number. 5 > 3 3 < 5 Either way it points to the smaller number. |
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 25, 2016 14:45:06 GMT -5
Just think of it like a road sign to the number line. < is pointing to the smaller (less than) numbers, and > is pointing to the larger (greater than) numbers. Is that true? I've always learned it as the sign always points to the smaller number and tries to eat the bigger number. 5 > 3 3 < 5 Either way it points to the smaller number. I wasn't clear, and I've amended my previous post to try and clear it up. I wasn't trying to help him compare numbers, but was instead trying to help him remember which sign stands for greater than or less than without having to compare numbers. If you think of them like road signs then the signs point to different sides of the number line without getting into comparing numbers. > is always greater than because the sign points to the greater than side of the number line and < is always less than because it points to the less than side of the number line. In your example, forgetting the numbers for a second, you say it as 5 is greater than 3 and 3 is less than 5. The signs aren't pointing to the numbers themselves, but to the side of the number line that you are trying to say. Clear as mud, right? |
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 25, 2016 14:52:31 GMT -5
The scary thing is we have a 50/50 chance and we're messing that up.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 25, 2016 14:55:53 GMT -5
Clearly the hungry alligator is the best way to remember.
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