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Post by James Dunne on Jun 28, 2016 23:15:38 GMT -5
has he signed? reading the cup of coffee story did I read that espinal (10th round pick) was 3 for 5 for the gcl red sox. Santiago Espinal was the 10th-round pick. Stanley Espinal, no relation, was signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2015. Stanley is the one who went 3 for 5. The names are close so it's understandable to flip them, especially since there hasn't been a whole lot of buzz about Stanley. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 29, 2016 8:56:52 GMT -5
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 29, 2016 10:04:26 GMT -5
Michael Lananna @mlananna Asked Bobby Dalbec if he's going to miss pitching when he goes to pro ball (4th round, #RedSox). Told me, flatly: "I don't like pitching." Dalbec might be pitching tonight for Arizona for the winner take all game in the college world series. |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 29, 2016 12:09:02 GMT -5
Maybe what the Sox ought to do is sign him and Hansen him -- bring him up for the bullpen NOW.
What's the worst that can happen? They ruin him as a pitcher and then he can start his development as a 3B.
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Post by jmei on Jun 29, 2016 12:35:35 GMT -5
The worst that could happen is that they give a bunch of MLB innings to a guy who is not remotely close to being an MLB-caliber pitcher.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 29, 2016 17:26:28 GMT -5
And one might argue that rushing Craig Hansen blew him out in the long term, causing us to throw him in the Jason Bay deal a few years later. He was the first casualty from that stellar 2005 first round. And to think that Buchholz is the lone survivor.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 29, 2016 21:53:44 GMT -5
Maybe what the Sox ought to do is sign him and Hansen him -- bring him up for the bullpen NOW. What's the worst that can happen? They ruin him as a pitcher and then he can start his development as a 3B. Have you ever heard of things like "40-man roster", "option years" or "service time"? |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 30, 2016 15:38:35 GMT -5
My CCU boys win CWS.....Didn't see live. Did see Dalbec went 5 2/3 w/no ER & 8 strikeouts....Not sure how he had no ER but gave up a home run....
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 30, 2016 15:44:55 GMT -5
If there are 2 outs and a guy hits an easy grounder to SS who throws away what would be out #3, the HR scoring both runners would be be unearned, I think. Not sure what happened in this game, but that's an example.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 30, 2016 17:51:03 GMT -5
Three Florida pitcher's (Puk, Dunning, & Moss) deals announced today. Where you at Anderson?
Prediction: Anderson will sign for much closer to slot than people hope....
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Post by nomar on Jun 30, 2016 18:13:39 GMT -5
Had Shaun Anderson in my head, not Ian, and I was so thrown by that at first. |
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Post by pasadenasox on Jun 30, 2016 18:14:04 GMT -5
That's the other Anderson.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 30, 2016 18:27:04 GMT -5
If there are 2 outs and a guy hits an easy grounder to SS who throws away what would be out #3, the HR scoring both runners would be be unearned, I think. Not sure what happened in this game, but that's an example. Second baseman had a double error (botched a routine grounder up the middle and then threw it away) with 2 outs. The two runs that scored in that play were therefore unearned. Then someone hit a homer to clear the bases. All were unearned because the inning should have ended with the grounder. |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 30, 2016 21:37:42 GMT -5
Wow! That was well under the slot amount. I have to wonder if Atlanta really thought Anderson had a better ceiling than groome or if this was all about signing for below slot. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 30, 2016 21:51:19 GMT -5
If there are 2 outs and a guy hits an easy grounder to SS who throws away what would be out #3, the HR scoring both runners would be be unearned, I think. Not sure what happened in this game, but that's an example. The funny thing is that if a reliever came in and served up the HR after the error, the run would have been earned for the reliever and unearned for the team. |
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Jun 30, 2016 22:31:31 GMT -5
If the Sox fail to sign Groome (or even if they do), do they have a tampering claim against SD or whichever team allegedly had a wink and a nod agreement at $5M-$6M? No other sport would allow that level of negotiating with a potential draftee. I understand that the MLB system is different, but do they allow this type of interaction? I can see calling possible upcoming pick candidates and saying "What's your number" but that's about it. Perhaps they could ask if he'd sign for slot, but even that could screw a team that picks ahead of them hoping to sign him under slot (e.g. the team with the 12th pick is about to select and wants to know if the kid would sign for $500K under, a figure he might have accepted had the 13th team not called minutes before and asked if he'd accept slot). Under no circumstances should a team be able to call a player and say, "tell everyone you want $5M because they won't be able to pay it but we can at the 24th pick."
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Post by templeusox on Jun 30, 2016 22:34:00 GMT -5
Wow! That was well under the slot amount. I have to wonder if Atlanta really thought Anderson had a better ceiling than groome or if this was all about signing for below slot. Maybe lower ceiling with a much better chance of reaching it. |
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 30, 2016 23:58:33 GMT -5
If the Sox fail to sign Groome (or even if they do), do they have a tampering claim against SD or whichever team allegedly had a wink and a nod agreement at $5M-$6M? No other sport would allow that level of negotiating with a potential draftee. I understand that the MLB system is different, but do they allow this type of interaction? I can see calling possible upcoming pick candidates and saying "What's your number" but that's about it. Perhaps they could ask if he'd sign for slot, but even that could screw a team that picks ahead of them hoping to sign him under slot (e.g. the team with the 12th pick is about to select and wants to know if the kid would sign for $500K under, a figure he might have accepted had the 13th team not called minutes before and asked if he'd accept slot). Under no circumstances should a team be able to call a player and say, "tell everyone you want $5M because they won't be able to pay it but we can at the 24th pick." Interesting question. I'd say no as I've never heard of tampering in like that in the draft and pre-draft arrangements are pretty much common place. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 1, 2016 5:48:18 GMT -5
Wow! That was well under the slot amount. I have to wonder if Atlanta really thought Anderson had a better ceiling than groome or if this was all about signing for below slot. I'd say that it was for the slot agreement. They probably felt that Anderson was a better deal at his price (and the ability to then spend more for other picks) than Groome was at his price, especially considering the "maturity issues" or whatever caused him to fall to us in the first place. I can't say that I blame them, but I am thankful for it. That being said, I would have also been happy with Anderson at 14. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2016 6:31:55 GMT -5
If the Sox fail to sign Groome (or even if they do), do they have a tampering claim against SD or whichever team allegedly had a wink and a nod agreement at $5M-$6M? No other sport would allow that level of negotiating with a potential draftee. I understand that the MLB system is different, but do they allow this type of interaction? I can see calling possible upcoming pick candidates and saying "What's your number" but that's about it. Perhaps they could ask if he'd sign for slot, but even that could screw a team that picks ahead of them hoping to sign him under slot (e.g. the team with the 12th pick is about to select and wants to know if the kid would sign for $500K under, a figure he might have accepted had the 13th team not called minutes before and asked if he'd accept slot). Under no circumstances should a team be able to call a player and say, "tell everyone you want $5M because they won't be able to pay it but we can at the 24th pick." That would only happen if Boston did it. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 1, 2016 6:47:09 GMT -5
Of the 30 unsigned players in the top ten rounds (per MLB signings tracker), five belong the Sox.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 1, 2016 7:46:34 GMT -5
If the Sox fail to sign Groome (or even if they do), do they have a tampering claim against SD or whichever team allegedly had a wink and a nod agreement at $5M-$6M? No other sport would allow that level of negotiating with a potential draftee. I understand that the MLB system is different, but do they allow this type of interaction? I can see calling possible upcoming pick candidates and saying "What's your number" but that's about it. Perhaps they could ask if he'd sign for slot, but even that could screw a team that picks ahead of them hoping to sign him under slot (e.g. the team with the 12th pick is about to select and wants to know if the kid would sign for $500K under, a figure he might have accepted had the 13th team not called minutes before and asked if he'd accept slot). Under no circumstances should a team be able to call a player and say, "tell everyone you want $5M because they won't be able to pay it but we can at the 24th pick." Can't see how it's called tampering if he's not the property of any team. Does seem somewhat shady though. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 1, 2016 7:50:33 GMT -5
I find it amusing that drafted players, who don't get what they're asking for, declare that they are "honoring their commitment" to Eastsidalia Community College or wherever.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 1, 2016 7:55:12 GMT -5
Of the 30 unsigned players in the top ten rounds (per MLB signings tracker), five belong the Sox. Thanks to Mr. Groome. |
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