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Post-Draft Discussion Thread
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 1, 2016 8:18:51 GMT -5
Buddy, Groom is not the problem.
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Jul 1, 2016 9:59:58 GMT -5
If the Sox fail to sign Groome (or even if they do), do they have a tampering claim against SD or whichever team allegedly had a wink and a nod agreement at $5M-$6M? No other sport would allow that level of negotiating with a potential draftee. I understand that the MLB system is different, but do they allow this type of interaction? I can see calling possible upcoming pick candidates and saying "What's your number" but that's about it. Perhaps they could ask if he'd sign for slot, but even that could screw a team that picks ahead of them hoping to sign him under slot (e.g. the team with the 12th pick is about to select and wants to know if the kid would sign for $500K under, a figure he might have accepted had the 13th team not called minutes before and asked if he'd accept slot). Under no circumstances should a team be able to call a player and say, "tell everyone you want $5M because they won't be able to pay it but we can at the 24th pick." Can't see how it's called tampering if he's not the property of any team. Does seem somewhat shady though. It's tampering because they held talks that damaged Boston's negotiations with its draft pick. Yes, he hadn't been drafted yet, but Boston, and others, held priority rights and until SD (or whoever it was) got to their pick they should not in any way act to harm those rights. It's really not much different in terms of impact on Boston than if they called up Groome today and said, "Don't sign with the Red Sox, go to JC, and we'll pick you next year for a $5M contract." He's thinking, "Someone else thinks I'm worth $5M, why should I sign for less?" |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 1, 2016 10:41:55 GMT -5
Here is Take #4 of my projections for the 2016 signing season. Disclaimer disclaimer, yada yada yada. Signed2 CJ Chatham $1,100,000 6 Steve Nogosek $250,000 7 Ryan Scott $10,000 8 Alan Marrero $160,000 9 Matt McLean $10,000 12 Matthew Gorst $115,000 ($15,000 against cap) 14 Robby Sexton <$100,000 ($0 against cap) 17 Nick Sciortino <$100,000 ($0 against cap) 19 Kyle Hart <$100,000 ($0 against cap) 20 Nick Lovullo <$100,000 ($0 against cap) 22 Granger Studdard <$100,000 ($0 against cap) 24 Hunter Smith <$100,000 ($0 against cap) 26 Jared Oliver <$100,000 ($0 against cap) UD Steven Reveles <$100,000 ($0 against cap) Top Ten Rounds Unsigned (entire amount counts towards bonus cap)Round, Player, Projected Bonus1 Jason Groome $4,100,000 3 Shaun Anderson $500,000 4 Bobby Dalbec $400,000 5 Mike Shawaryn $500,000 10 Santiago Espinal $50,000 After 10th round, above $100K (first $100,000 does not count towards bonus cap)11 Nick Quintana $350,000 ($250,000 against cap) After 10th round, possible $100,000 or less signs (count $0 towards cap) 15 Michael Wilson 16 Alberto Schmidt 21 Beau Cappanna 23 Juan Carlos Abreu (signing) 28 Jordan Scheftz (likely signing) 34 Aaron McGarity (50-50) 36 Jordan Wren Total spent towards cap using these projections: $7,345,000 Red Sox Cap: $6,997,400 Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $7,347,270 Projected not to sign13 Brady Bramlett (not signing) 18 Trevor Stephan 25 Francsico Soto 27 Vince Arobio 29 Cam Shepherd 30 Tyler Fitzgerald 31 Christian Jones (not signing) 32 Jeff Belge (not signing) 33 Chad Hardy 35 John Rave 37 Carter Aldrete (not signing) 38 Austin Bergner 39 Jake Wilson (50-50) 40 Carter Henry |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 1, 2016 10:55:58 GMT -5
I'd love it we got Groome and Quintana signed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2016 11:06:40 GMT -5
Of the 30 unsigned players in the top ten rounds (per MLB signings tracker), five belong the Sox. Well, two were playing in the CWS, two want overslot deals, and one has posted a picture of himself in Fort Myers with his hand wrapped heavily on Instagram. With the CWS done, the dominoes will start to fall now. (Not implying that you thought different, btw) |
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Post by eagleeye9184 on Jul 1, 2016 11:08:45 GMT -5
Buddy, Groom is not the problem. This made me laugh. Thanks. |
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Post by burk on Jul 1, 2016 11:49:02 GMT -5
I would live it too if we got Groome and Quintana
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2016 12:16:27 GMT -5
Can't see how it's called tampering if he's not the property of any team. Does seem somewhat shady though. It's tampering because they held talks that damaged Boston's negotiations with its draft pick. Yes, he hadn't been drafted yet, but Boston, and others, held priority rights and until SD (or whoever it was) got to their pick they should not in any way act to harm those rights. It's really not much different in terms of impact on Boston than if they called up Groome today and said, "Don't sign with the Red Sox, go to JC, and we'll pick you next year for a $5M contract." He's thinking, "Someone else thinks I'm worth $5M, why should I sign for less?" Well, just like with the international signing rules, they'll make punishments up when convenient. This time it is not convenient, because it's the Red Sox getting screwed. Every single team does this with the draft, just like every single team makes package deals with trainers for international free agents. |
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 1, 2016 12:25:18 GMT -5
Buddy, Groom is not the problem. Indirectly, he could be. I can picture the Sox trying extra hard to use having to sign him as leverage to beat down other guys while "hopefully" working on a deal to sue those davings on a post 11 pick. i think we pretty much know that whatever's left after we sign our guys is going to get offered to Groome and he's going to take it. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 1, 2016 16:24:47 GMT -5
Of the 30 unsigned players in the top ten rounds (per MLB signings tracker), five belong the Sox. Well, two were playing in the CWS, two want overslot deals, and one has posted a picture of himself in Fort Myers with his hand wrapped heavily on Instagram. With the CWS done, the dominoes will start to fall now. (Not implying that you thought different, btw) Yeah I know. It's of more of testament as to how quickly other teams wrapped up their entire draft. |
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Post by juanpena on Jul 1, 2016 16:28:50 GMT -5
After the Sox drafted Chatham, a few people said they were curious what kind of bonus Nolan Jones would get. He got $2.25 million, more than a million over slot. linkSo there was no way the Sox were every signing Groome and Jones. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 1, 2016 18:01:57 GMT -5
Yet some people were freaking out
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Post by larrycook on Jul 1, 2016 19:22:57 GMT -5
We just need groome signed. Anything else is gravy.
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Post by porkbelly on Jul 2, 2016 5:46:41 GMT -5
Per Jon Heyman: shaun anderson, red sox 3rd rounder, U. of Fla RHP, signs for $700,000
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2016 6:18:47 GMT -5
The math for both Groome and Quintana gets increasingly difficult.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 2, 2016 8:27:48 GMT -5
The math for both Groome and Quintana gets increasingly difficult. Yup, that was kind of the last chance to save a significant chunk of change... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2016 9:40:31 GMT -5
Wow Anderson sure looked like a $500,000 signing.
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Post by nomar on Jul 2, 2016 10:26:41 GMT -5
Anderson signing for slot is disappointing. Another Maddox throwaway pick non-bargain. No chance Quintana signs barring a Groome disaster.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 2, 2016 10:48:59 GMT -5
I wrote off Quintana once I had Shawaryn signing for 600k. Players around Anderson for the most part were signing for slot. Sadly we couldn't save 200k for Quintana and try signing him for 300k. A 10k sign instead of Nogosek would of been my preference.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 2, 2016 11:27:17 GMT -5
Unless something unforeseen happens. I still think we get Groome
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 2, 2016 11:37:54 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like Groome would have to turn down 4 million or very close to it.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 2, 2016 16:29:06 GMT -5
I think they should try to subvert the rules and just give everyone $300K and slide the rest of the cash under the table. Seems foolproof, really.
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Post by nomar on Jul 2, 2016 17:51:22 GMT -5
I think they should try to subvert the rules and just give everyone $300K and slide the rest of the cash under the table. Seems foolproof, really. I just got off the phone with John Henry. You're replacing Hazen. The press conference is at 1 PM tomorrow right after the staged hug photo shoot with David Ortiz. |
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Post by larrycook on Jul 2, 2016 22:41:00 GMT -5
Wow Anderson sure looked like a $500,000 signing. I still can not wrap my head around this. Do the sox see something in Anderson that the rest of the baseball world is not seeing? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 2, 2016 22:45:15 GMT -5
I think they should try to subvert the rules and just give everyone $300K and slide the rest of the cash under the table. Seems foolproof, really. Henry can run the scheme through my bank account, my interest rate is very low-ish. I do anything for my beloved Red Sox. |
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