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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 9, 2016 20:56:08 GMT -5
Thanks for getting all that down. We'll see how it all plays out, but they do seem to have a little slack.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 9, 2016 21:19:44 GMT -5
Just to be clear, the $982K over-slot money includes $632,000+ of net signing savings and $350,000- of 5% overage.
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Post by rpiguy on Jul 10, 2016 23:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by rpiguy on Jul 10, 2016 23:48:05 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 11, 2016 16:41:58 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 11, 2016 17:14:28 GMT -5
I just came across this article and found the quote interesting. Honestly, its something that has worried me about this year's approach.....having to wait on Groome before making offers to others. I feel like the majority of kids who are on the fence will lean towards college if you don't act quickly after the draft. Note that Brady Bramlett and Jordan Scheftz were two other guys who looked like they were signing after the draft only to decline in the end. I think Groome's deadline to decide needs to be a little earlier than Friday even if by a day or two....if he declines, there is work to do in negotiating with others that would be foolish to try to accomplish on Fri alone. My hope at this point: Groom for 3.85M Dalbec at slot Shawaryn for 500k Quintana for 300k. |
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Post by dfwsox on Jul 11, 2016 19:06:47 GMT -5
I just came across this article and found the quote interesting. Honestly, its something that has worried me about this year's approach.....having to wait on Groome before making offers to others. I feel like the majority of kids who are on the fence will lean towards college if you don't act quickly after the draft. Note that Brady Bramlett and Jordan Scheftz were two other guys who looked like they were signing after the draft only to decline in the end. I think Groome's deadline to decide needs to be a little earlier than Friday even if by a day or two....if he declines, there is work to do in negotiating with others that would be foolish to try to accomplish on Fri alone. My hope at this point: Groom for 3.85M Dalbec at slot Shawaryn for 500k Quintana for 30, 0k. Id be very happy with that if they came out of this while also getting Quintana. Cant wait till this is over, I'm obessed keeping up with this and I'm also busy as hell at work starting a new project. haha |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 11, 2016 20:19:54 GMT -5
Heyman reporting the Red Sox have a $3.5M offer out to Groome, but he is holding out for more.
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Post by heavyde050 on Jul 11, 2016 20:28:08 GMT -5
Heyman reporting the Red Sox have a $3.5M offer out to Groome, but he is holding out for more. I really hope that is not the Sox final offer. It would be a complete shame to lose Groome without at least offering around $4 million. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 11, 2016 20:31:50 GMT -5
Heyman reporting the Red Sox have a $3.5M offer out to Groome, but he is holding out for more. I really hope that is the Sox final offer. It would be a complete shame to lose Groome without at least offering around $4 million. The key is how much more. This makes me slightly more hopeful that they can get him signed for 3.8 or 3.9 mill. That should get them Quintana, too |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 12, 2016 13:12:49 GMT -5
Juan Carlos Abreu is official as he's on the GCL team. Kyle Hart showed up on the GCL roster too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2016 13:42:04 GMT -5
Heyman reporting the Red Sox have a $3.5M offer out to Groome, but he is holding out for more. I really hope that is not the Sox final offer. It would be a complete shame to lose Groome without at least offering around $4 million. It's Tuesday. The deadline is Friday. No reason to think it's their final offer. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 12, 2016 13:55:25 GMT -5
I really hope that is not the Sox final offer. It would be a complete shame to lose Groome without at least offering around $4 million. It's Tuesday. The deadline is Friday. No reason to think it's their final offer. In fact, there is almost every reason to believe that it is not their final offer. As has been mentioned though, it would be wise to relay that final offer at some point today or tomorrow at the latest (to allow time for physicals and negotiations with others). |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2016 14:26:32 GMT -5
What time is the deadline? Is it at midnight - 1 minute after 11:59pm Thursday becomes Friday 7/15? Or is it at some point during the day like 4pm or something like that?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 12, 2016 14:32:43 GMT -5
5pm et friday
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2016 19:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Jul 12, 2016 20:33:23 GMT -5
At 4:58 PM EDT on Friday this server is going to crash. But Groome will be in the haus, so we won't care.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 12, 2016 20:45:46 GMT -5
At 4:58 PM EDT on Friday this server is going to crash. But Groome will be in the haus, so we won't care. I'm predicting Groome tomorrow. Shawaryn and the gang to sign on Thurs and Fri. |
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Post by telson13 on Jul 12, 2016 21:17:01 GMT -5
At 4:58 PM EDT on Friday this server is going to crash. But Groome will be in the haus, so we won't care. I'm predicting Groome tomorrow. Shawaryn and the gang to sign on Thurs and Fri. I really, really hope you're right. Getting Groome in the fold will give the Sox three legitimate #1/1a upside starters, all in the low minors, but with the two younger ones especially polished for their ages. With that trio, the Sox will have their best pitching prospect collection arguably ever. Very exciting. |
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 13, 2016 5:17:40 GMT -5
With that trio, the Sox will have their best pitching prospect collection arguably ever. Very exciting. 2005: Lester, Papelbon, Sanchez, Buchholtz |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 13, 2016 6:30:54 GMT -5
With that trio, the Sox will have their best pitching prospect collection arguably ever. Very exciting. 2005: Lester, Papelbon, Sanchez, Buchholtz Yeah, this group isn't as good as the 2005 group yet, but the upside is probably higher than 2005s was at the time. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 13, 2016 7:37:14 GMT -5
Hansen and Bowden were there in 2005 as well. Bowden wasn't yet in the category with the rest but Hansen absolutely was considered there. That was some outstanding upside and depth.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 13, 2016 12:22:38 GMT -5
If that doesn't serve as a cautionary tale not to count your chickens until they've hatched, nothing will.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 13, 2016 13:36:07 GMT -5
If that doesn't serve as a cautionary tale not to count your chickens until they've hatched, nothing will. That was a pretty exceptional hit rate. Four of the six players turned into All-Stars, three have a career bWAR over 20, and only one of the five is out of baseball 11 years later. Also, if the internet is to be believed, Michael Bowden is still only 29? One of my more out-there beliefs that I still cling to is that he would be a decent, down-rotation innings eater. He was miscast as a reliever because he's not a good bet to turn in a single scoreless inning and he's not the type whose stuff will play out. But he has a 3.05 ERA in 499 Triple-A innings, and he was good there as recently as last year. He's certainly better than Sean O'Sullivan. |
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 13, 2016 14:10:28 GMT -5
That was a pretty exceptional hit rate. Four of the six players turned into All-Stars, three have a career bWAR over 20, and only one of the five six is out of baseball 11 years later. Sadly, the highest drafted of the bunch. |
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