atzar
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Post by atzar on Aug 14, 2016 13:50:45 GMT -5
This is one game where I question the accuracy of the various FIP models as tools to evaluate the pitcher's performance. When a pitcher gives up several runs on bloops and grounders, then yeah, it's fair to say that he's probably pitching better than his results. That was not this. These hits were crushed all over the park - or out of it. His ERA was 49 something. There is no stat that doesn't break when you give up 9 runs in less than 2 innings. Granted. I realize that. I'm just saying that the "he got unlucky" argument becomes irrelevant at some point when you get hit that hard. Yeah, luck wasn't on his side. He still sucked, and FIP misses that. Anyway, I've said my piece. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2016 13:54:39 GMT -5
It's not meant to prove that he pitched great. It's meant to show how he probably wouldn't give up 49 runs if he pitched the entire game. And I would agree, if it actually said that. What it says is that he should give up 1.5 runs if he pitches an entire game at that level of performance, which IMO is silly. I would never say that xFIP determines anything in one game other than when it's so drastically different like that, he was a little unlucky. Because no matter how bad you're pitching, you don't give up 7 hits in 9 balls in play. I bet the batting practice pitcher would have a better BABIP than that. Pitching badly and bad luck are not an either/or situation. It can be both. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 14, 2016 13:58:07 GMT -5
Benintendi and Leon reinforcing their two weakest positions has done a lot in terms of strengthening this team. Pushing Holt to the bench also makes it a lot easier to give slumping guys (Xander) a day off. Agreed, and if they bring Moncada up to play 3B, ridiculous conjecture as it may seem, it would help even more. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2016 14:02:10 GMT -5
Benintendi and Leon reinforcing their two weakest positions has done a lot in terms of strengthening this team. Pushing Holt to the bench also makes it a lot easier to give slumping guys (Xander) a day off. Agreed, and if they bring Moncada up to play 3B, ridiculous conjecture as it may seem, it would help even more. Before September, I'm not sure how he can come up without a DL stint by a regular. The bench right now is Haladay, Hill and Holt. And Chris Young is on the mend. I doubt they send Shaw down for Moncada. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 14, 2016 14:03:28 GMT -5
His ERA was 49 something. There is no stat that doesn't break when you give up 9 runs in less than 2 innings. Granted. I realize that. I'm just saying that the "he got unlucky" argument becomes irrelevant at some point when you get hit that hard. Yeah, luck wasn't on his side. He still sucked, and FIP misses that. Anyway, I've said my piece. I don't disagree. Using FIP to say Greinke was unlucky today betrays a serious misunderstanding of the purposes of FIP. That's not FIP's fault, though. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 14, 2016 14:05:16 GMT -5
Before September, I'm not sure how he can come up without a DL stint by a regular. The bench right now is Haladay, Hill and Holt. And Chris Young is on the mend. I doubt they send Shaw down for Moncada. Shaw is looking terrible in August, I wouldn't be surprised if he is either injured or worn out. It is his first full season in the MLB and those look exhausting, so I wouldn't oppose giving him a breather. |
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Post by zimmerdown on Aug 14, 2016 14:14:53 GMT -5
Oh Mookie!
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atzar
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Post by atzar on Aug 14, 2016 14:14:55 GMT -5
This kid is special.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2016 14:15:17 GMT -5
Granted. I realize that. I'm just saying that the "he got unlucky" argument becomes irrelevant at some point when you get hit that hard. Yeah, luck wasn't on his side. He still sucked, and FIP misses that. Anyway, I've said my piece. I don't disagree. Using FIP to say Greinke was unlucky today betrays a serious misunderstanding of the purposes of FIP. That's not FIP's fault, though. How often do you see 359 and 360 foot home runs in two innings? OMFG, Mookie with 8 RBI now. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 14, 2016 14:16:17 GMT -5
Amazing.
Mookie's power is like if deepjohn's Kopech predictions actually came true.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 14, 2016 14:16:32 GMT -5
Have a game Mookie.
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Post by awall on Aug 14, 2016 14:16:36 GMT -5
Have mercy, Mookie!
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2016 14:16:47 GMT -5
At this rate, Mookie should have 2-3 more chances at a 4th HR.
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Post by sierram363 on Aug 14, 2016 14:16:49 GMT -5
Ok, time to take Betts out before they start throwing at his head. (Hopefully they are a bit classier than Baltimore)
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 14, 2016 14:17:26 GMT -5
He is good. So, so good.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 14, 2016 14:17:40 GMT -5
My goodness. The lineup with Mookie, JBJ, Xander, Benintendi, Moncada, and Devers as the 1-6 in some order is going to be unstoppable.
Also, as a frequent Farrell critic, I have to give him credit for moving Mookie to 3rd in the order. Very smart move.
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Post by jmei on Aug 14, 2016 14:18:03 GMT -5
Incredible.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2016 14:19:09 GMT -5
Before September, I'm not sure how he can come up without a DL stint by a regular. The bench right now is Haladay, Hill and Holt. And Chris Young is on the mend. I doubt they send Shaw down for Moncada. Shaw is looking terrible in August, I wouldn't be surprised if he is either injured or worn out. It is his first full season in the MLB and those look exhausting, so I wouldn't oppose giving him a breather. A lot of guys will be getting rest in September I'd guess. I just doubt Moncada comes up before then. |
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Post by nomar on Aug 14, 2016 14:19:36 GMT -5
So Mookie is heating up
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 14, 2016 14:20:06 GMT -5
I thought Mookie could be a 30/30 guy down the road. He may well do it this year. Update, he may do it this month. |
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Aug 14, 2016 14:20:13 GMT -5
Mookie for President
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Post by zimmerdown on Aug 14, 2016 14:20:53 GMT -5
At this rate, Mookie should have 2-3 more chances at a 4th HR. With this score, they wouldn't bother pitching around him, would they? |
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Post by awall on Aug 14, 2016 14:21:08 GMT -5
Should be a mercy rule when the heat index is this high.
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Post by jmei on Aug 14, 2016 14:21:20 GMT -5
Another Hanley double that'd be a home run in any other ballpark.
This is fun, huh?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2016 14:24:27 GMT -5
Another Hanley double that'd be a home run in any other ballpark. This is fun, huh? They missed the exit velocity on that one, but I bet it was the hardest hit of all. |
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