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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 13, 2017 13:13:36 GMT -5
Go read/look up the post game video where Welker wanted to "stick it to Bill." Also Welker was suspended for a quarter for making foot jokes against Rex Ryan. Their relationship wasn't filled with mutual respect. It seemed like Welker couldn't wait to leave town. You have it all wrong, it was joke. Welker tried using the Broncos offer to get more from Pat's and wanted to come back. The Pat's moved on and signed Danny. This was the Pat's normal way of dealing with players, we'll give you X, if you won't take that were moving on. It has nothing to do with relationship. They did the same thing with players like Wilfork and Mankind, players Bill loved. Yeah Welker signed a contract with the Broncos and got suspended for no reason with the Patriots. What a funny joke. I knew I had it all wrong. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2017 13:19:22 GMT -5
Yeah Welker signed a contract with the Broncos and got suspended for no reason with the Patriots. What a funny joke. I knew I had it all wrong. He didn't get suspended at all. He was benched for a series. One series that's all and it's basically nothing. And it wasn't for no reason. He was being a dummy in the media for no reason which Belichick doesn't stand for so he sent a message. Those messages, like sending Revis home for being late to a practice are how a coach like Bill keeps control of his team and can ask for discipline. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2017 13:20:29 GMT -5
By the way he was saying Welkers stick it to Bill comment was a joke.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 13, 2017 13:30:18 GMT -5
It might have been a "joke," but it ultimately showed the tension between the two at times. Welker speaks his mind and BB hates that. Two different personalities. I don't ever remember BB suspending or benching anyone else for a important game ever either. Ultimately, in the end they probably don't exactly hate each other, but I seriously doubt they're going to be going to any reunions together either.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2017 14:09:00 GMT -5
Name me one other time a player has spoken out in the media making fun of another player or head coach?
The guy missed one series. Let's not act like this was some severe punishment
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 13, 2017 14:17:33 GMT -5
It might have been a "joke," but it ultimately showed the tension between the two at times. Welker speaks his mind and BB hates that. Two different personalities. I don't ever remember BB suspending or benching anyone else for a important game ever either. Ultimately, in the end they probably don't exactly hate each other, but I seriously doubt they're going to be going to any reunions together either. The tension and relationship was so bad that Bill offered him a better deal than Denver did. Welker wanted more and tried to use Denver for leverage. It backed fired as Patriots moved on. It had nothing to do about Welker and Bill not having a good relationship like you claim and are doing a very poor job trying to prove. He broke teams rules and got a slight slap on hand. The same thing would have happened to any player that plays for Patriots. Players like Gronk speak there minds all the time, it's how and when they do it that matters. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 13, 2017 14:46:56 GMT -5
It might have been a "joke," but it ultimately showed the tension between the two at times. Welker speaks his mind and BB hates that. Two different personalities. I don't ever remember BB suspending or benching anyone else for a important game ever either. Ultimately, in the end they probably don't exactly hate each other, but I seriously doubt they're going to be going to any reunions together either. The tension and relationship was so bad that Bill offered him a better deal than Denver did. Welker wanted more and tried to use Denver for leverage. It backed fired as Patriots moved on. It had nothing to do about Welker and Bill not having a good relationship like you claim and are doing a very poor job trying to prove. He broke teams rules and got a slight slap on hand. The same thing would have happened to any player that plays for Patriots. Players like Gronk speak there minds all the time, it's how and when they do it that matters. I'm not doing a poor job of anything. The Patriots will eventually trade or move on from Gronk too. If Welker really liked it here, he would of stayed. Like Amendola did. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2017 15:12:01 GMT -5
You can't compare Amendola to Welker. Amendola wasn't going to make much anywhere..
Welker tried to return here he overplayed his hand so no it's not as simple as you make it out to be
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 13, 2017 15:22:05 GMT -5
The tension and relationship was so bad that Bill offered him a better deal than Denver did. Welker wanted more and tried to use Denver for leverage. It backed fired as Patriots moved on. It had nothing to do about Welker and Bill not having a good relationship like you claim and are doing a very poor job trying to prove. He broke teams rules and got a slight slap on hand. The same thing would have happened to any player that plays for Patriots. Players like Gronk speak there minds all the time, it's how and when they do it that matters. I'm not doing a poor job of anything. The Patriots will eventually trade or move on from Gronk too. If Welker really liked it here, he would of stayed. Like Amendola did. You really are doing a poor job though, it's okay to be wrong about something. None of that has to do with relationships like you claimed though. The Patriots might move on from Gronk, not because of his relationship with Bill, but because of injuries or him wanting more than were willing to pay. Welker wanting more money and to be paid what he feels he deserves has nothing to do with his relationship with Bill like you claimed. It's all about money, pride and respect. Mostly money, which players take as a sign of respect. Danny is willing to be paid less to stick with Patriots, that's his choice. For like 90% of players it's all about the money. That doesn't mean they don't want to stay with a certain team. Wilfork didn't want to leave Patriots, but he wasn't going to play for what they wanted him to. It had nothing to do with his relationship with Bill or the Patriots and everything to do about money. Are you going to stay at a company that you like if they aren't willing to pay you what you think you deserve? |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 13, 2017 15:22:33 GMT -5
What would the Pats D look like next year with out Hightower? Just in case he doesn't come back. What would the Pats need to do to shore up the middle?
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2017 15:26:59 GMT -5
What would the Pats D look like next year with out Hightower? Just in case he doesn't come back. What would the Pats need to do to shore up the middle? I refuse to entertain this thought at this point... haha |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 13, 2017 16:52:48 GMT -5
What would the Pats D look like next year with out Hightower? Just in case he doesn't come back. What would the Pats need to do to shore up the middle? I refuse to entertain this thought at this point... haha Yeah its not a good thought, I might just be preparing myself. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 13, 2017 19:36:00 GMT -5
You can't compare Amendola to Welker. Amendola wasn't going to make much anywhere.. Welker tried to return here he overplayed his hand so no it's not as simple as you make it out to be Yes because Amendola could of made peanuts anywhere else....his relationship with the team kept him here. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 13, 2017 19:41:36 GMT -5
I'm not doing a poor job of anything. The Patriots will eventually trade or move on from Gronk too. If Welker really liked it here, he would of stayed. Like Amendola did. You really are doing a poor job though, it's okay to be wrong about something. None of that has to do with relationships like you claimed though. The Patriots might move on from Gronk, not because of his relationship with Bill, but because of injuries or him wanting more than were willing to pay. Welker wanting more money and to be paid what he feels he deserves has nothing to do with his relationship with Bill like you claimed. It's all about money, pride and respect. Mostly money, which players take as a sign of respect. Danny is willing to be paid less to stick with Patriots, that's his choice. For like 90% of players it's all about the money. That doesn't mean they don't want to stay with a certain team. Wilfork didn't want to leave Patriots, but he wasn't going to play for what they wanted him to. It had nothing to do with his relationship with Bill or the Patriots and everything to do about money. Are you going to stay at a company that you like if they aren't willing to pay you what you think you deserve? You actually might want to take your own advise on being wrong about something instead of sounding like a expert on everything. To your question, yes I would take less to be in a situation I was comfortable being with. You always take reports at face value and claim it as fact. You weren't in the room of the negotiations and you have no idea whether or not Bill and Welker's relationship had something to do with the negotiations. At least I can admit that I agree that money and leverage played a huge part in losing Welker. YOU are the one however disregarding the notion that the relationship between the two played no part. Sorry, relationships play a part in negotiations, even if it's a small part of it. It's one of the best reasons why Hightower and the Patriots have a good chance of reuniting actually. The player and the team have a good relationship with one another. |
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Post by jmei on Mar 13, 2017 19:50:19 GMT -5
I think we've reached a dead end here. Unless there is anything else you feel you must get off your chest, let's move on. Thanks.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 13, 2017 22:05:39 GMT -5
So, I watched quite a bit of Cooks since he played for Oregon State. I did part of my studies there and I still follow the teams.
It's hard to overstate how dangerous this kid is, and he is just a kid - all of 23 despite the three years he's been in the league. And it isn't just the speed, though his definitely kills. He is as intense and focused as a laser beam. He runs very precise routes and he's an absolute fanatic for preparation. I have this vision of Belichick arriving early to run some video and finding Cooks there ahead of him. He's very serious in his quest to be the best. Having Brady getting him the ball should help him along that path.
There are a few analysts who think he may be the toughest cover in the NFL. He's that good. I used to imagine what it would be like for the Pats to get hold of him, and now I don't have to.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2017 8:14:36 GMT -5
Cook has some of the best hands in the NFL and is super exciting. I will say that he's coming from one of the best offenses in football, with one of the best QBs ever to play and from a dome. I get Brady is on another level but it's not like this guys coming from a poor situation and will now be freed.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 14, 2017 8:25:41 GMT -5
From the video I watched Cooks is plain and simply a burner, he just runs by people. Combine that with running crisp routes and he is borderline uncoverable. Then combine that with Gronk, Edelman and the rest, watch out NFL the Pats are going to be pretty hard to stop.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2017 10:25:00 GMT -5
It's all about the protection up front. We have the talent at the skill spots but the offense always goes as the line goes. Against lousy teams it won't matter but I'm talking playoffs top teams.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2017 10:34:46 GMT -5
Butler visiting with NO on Thursday, per reports.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2017 10:35:56 GMT -5
I hope he signs a deal for something palatable and instead of taking their 11th pick we match it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 14, 2017 10:36:37 GMT -5
Very true but I think the Pats are looking pretty good up front also. And then Brady is so good on the quick release stuff that when there is a big rush they negate it via the game plan. But yes, the only thing that has derailed them in the playoffs is a team that can get pressure with 4.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 14, 2017 10:39:23 GMT -5
I hope he signs a deal for something palatable and instead of taking their 11th pick we match it. If it's for the number 11 pick, then I don't see how Bill the asset collecter passes getting that for Butler. Edit- By then, Bill will turn that into a later first round pick and a third round pick or something. He always does this in some shape or form. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 14, 2017 11:47:13 GMT -5
Doubt it's an offer sheet. Most likely a trade (where NO would be able to give less than #11).
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 14, 2017 11:57:10 GMT -5
Either way it's looking highly likely he's gone which then leaves a big hole at corner.
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