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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 10:49:07 GMT -5
It looks like, still waiting for official contract details, Burkheads deal is 1 year 3.15m. He supposedly left more money on the table elsewhere but it's still a pretty large 1 year deal for a Patriots RB... I highly doubt he's simply a Bolden replacement. You don't pay special teams guys that money. It makes me wonder if they will sign another running back. Burkhead makes sense in the Blount role that can double as a receiving option which makes the team very dangerous. Now when they are jumbo with Gronk, Allen, Devlin and Burkhead plus Cook out wide, you can now audible out and spread that formation... if a team goes big, good luck having the bodies to stop Gronk and Cooks going deep... I doubt it, but they may draft a running back. I think the Burkhead signing means that Blount is gone. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2017 11:38:05 GMT -5
Jason Cole (Bleacher Report) says Hightower has an offer > 12Mn/yr from NYJ.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 11:52:37 GMT -5
Come on Hightower make a decision, it's only the biggest decision of your life. Hahaha.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2017 12:13:30 GMT -5
Pats have just over 31m in cap space as currently constituted and they haven't cut or renegotiated Danny Amendola yet. If they cut him they have over $37m in space. For sake of argument let's say they renegotiate and that goes down to 34m. There are more moves to come but keep in mind even a Hightower extension where he gets 11m on average won't be an 11m cap hit. The point is... they are going to likely role over a ton of money from this year into next year... what for?
I can't help but think that maybe it's so they can carry 2 big(ger) money quarterbacks next year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2017 12:22:00 GMT -5
The Patriots role cap space over almost every year.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2017 12:33:36 GMT -5
Boom!!
Per his agents, he's coming back to NE
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 12:36:23 GMT -5
And the Patriots are officially stupid good now, again....
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2017 12:38:35 GMT -5
4 yrs, 43.5 (19Mn guaranteed) per his agents (via Rap)
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 12:42:27 GMT -5
Awesome deal. Less than I thought that would need to get a deal done.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 15, 2017 12:43:24 GMT -5
Next up: acquiring multiple 1st round picks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2017 12:44:22 GMT -5
The Patriots role cap space over almost every year. Not that much but yea they always leave wiggle room for in season additions. Hey it's just a thought that I can't help. I don't care if it's unconventional this is Belichick we are talking about here. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 15, 2017 12:55:46 GMT -5
It is a good day in Patriots nation.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2017 13:05:42 GMT -5
I can't get over how much cap space they have with literally nothing to do. Unless you count trading Butler and signing a replacement but they don't need to do that.
Blount was replaced with Burkhead
Bennett with Allen
Sheard and Long with Ealy and Guy
Ryan with Gilmore
Bolden doesn't need to be replaced.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2017 13:15:33 GMT -5
In addition to the draft picks (at this point, less than 2Mn??), any extensions could take up some of the space (if I understand @patscap correctly):
Edelman and the RBs are all UFA's next offseason. Solder has been mentioned as a candidate. Brady is supposedly expected to sign an extension.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 13:20:08 GMT -5
I'm not doing a poor job of anything. The Patriots will eventually trade or move on from Gronk too. If Welker really liked it here, he would of stayed. Like Amendola did. It's all about money, pride and respect. Mostly money, which players take as a sign of respect. Danny is willing to be paid less to stick with Patriots, that's his choice. For like 90% of players it's all about the money. That doesn't mean they don't want to stay with a certain team. Wilfork didn't want to leave Patriots, but he wasn't going to play for what they wanted him to. It had nothing to do with his relationship with Bill or the Patriots and everything to do about money. So the Patriots sign Hightower on "their terms" and their relationship nothing to do with it? Please try to convince me of this. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2017 13:24:44 GMT -5
It's all about money, pride and respect. Mostly money, which players take as a sign of respect. Danny is willing to be paid less to stick with Patriots, that's his choice. For like 90% of players it's all about the money. That doesn't mean they don't want to stay with a certain team. Wilfork didn't want to leave Patriots, but he wasn't going to play for what they wanted him to. It had nothing to do with his relationship with Bill or the Patriots and everything to do about money. So the Patriots sign Hightower on "their terms" and their relationship nothing to do with it? Please try to convince me of this. No one ever said relationships have nothing to do with contracts, but you don't know that anyone offered more money. Supposedly the Jets were at 12 a year but that's not a guarantee and we don't know the real numbers. Besides that, even if Hightower came back for less it could just as easily be because he's a guy who values winning over whatever the Jets are. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 13:28:20 GMT -5
So the Patriots sign Hightower on "their terms" and their relationship nothing to do with it? Please try to convince me of this. No one ever said relationships have nothing to do with contracts, but you don't know that anyone offered more money. Supposedly the Jets were at 12 a year but that's not a guarantee and we don't know the real numbers. Besides that, even if Hightower came back for less it could just as easily be because he's a guy who values winning over whatever the Jets are. According to him, it's all about "respect and money." According to me it's what the player values, like you said in winning ballgames. If it was all about money, Hightower would be a Jet today. Edit- He also told me that relationships don't have anything to do with contracts. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2017 13:37:54 GMT -5
No one ever said relationships have nothing to do with contracts, but you don't know that anyone offered more money. Supposedly the Jets were at 12 a year but that's not a guarantee and we don't know the real numbers. Besides that, even if Hightower came back for less it could just as easily be because he's a guy who values winning over whatever the Jets are. According to him, it's all about "respect and money." According to me it's what the player values, like you said in winning ballgames. If it was all about money, Hightower would be a Jet today. Edit- He also told me that relationships don't have anything to do with contracts. Latest report is Jets only offered 11m a year with 22 guaranteed which actually makes the money very comparable. Plus, did anyone ever say it was always all about money? I think the contention was against your assertion that Bill and Welker hated each other and that's why he didn't resign here. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2017 13:39:22 GMT -5
Well relationships do come into play that's for sure but to what degree is extremely variable and they don't matter to some people at all.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 13:42:28 GMT -5
According to him, it's all about "respect and money." According to me it's what the player values, like you said in winning ballgames. If it was all about money, Hightower would be a Jet today. Edit- He also told me that relationships don't have anything to do with contracts. Latest report is Jets only offered 11m a year with 22 guaranteed which actually makes the money very comparable. Plus, did anyone ever say it was always all about money? I think the contention was against your assertion that Bill and Welker hated each other and that's why he didn't resign here. Yes he said it was all about money. No the fact that Welker and Bill didn't get along wasn't the biggest factor in the decision, but it probably played a part in the decision. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2017 13:58:45 GMT -5
No one ever said relationships have nothing to do with contracts, but you don't know that anyone offered more money. Supposedly the Jets were at 12 a year but that's not a guarantee and we don't know the real numbers. Besides that, even if Hightower came back for less it could just as easily be because he's a guy who values winning over whatever the Jets are. According to him, it's all about "respect and money." According to me it's what the player values, like you said in winning ballgames. If it was all about money, Hightower would be a Jet today. I said for most players, like 90%. I also never said relationship don't play a role, it's to what level they play, mostly with Welker. By all accounts it was down to Steelers and Patriots. Steelers offered around 10 million, we offered more. Even if the Jets offer is legit, your looking at a million dollars a year difference, a very small about in total dollars. They gave him top of the market money, so he was shown the respect. The market was just lower than was expected. You're acting like he turned down 20-30 million more to come back to Patriots because his relationship was so good and that's what really mattered to him. 12 million from Jets compared to almost 11 million from Patriots is an easy choice for almost any player. He never got that big offer I worried he would, teams with tons of cap room just weren't interested. The offer that was predicted before league year of 67 million with 38 million in guarantees over 5 years. Thats the offer that would have shown you what matters most. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 14:06:06 GMT -5
It seems like 90% of Patriots that resign here actually take less to stay here. So I don't know how you can say with 90% of players, it comes down to money.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 14:12:45 GMT -5
I'm not doing a poor job of anything. The Patriots will eventually trade or move on from Gronk too. If Welker really liked it here, he would of stayed. Like Amendola did. None of that has to do with relationships like you claimed though. It's all about money, pride and respect. Mostly money, which players take as a sign of respect. It had nothing to do with his relationship with Bill or the Patriots and everything to do about money. This is your quote. Not mine. I'll move along now... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2017 14:21:07 GMT -5
It seems like 90% of Patriots that resign here actually take less to stay here. So I don't know how you can say with 90% of players, it comes down to money. 90% might be a little high, but not by much, maybe 70% Just look at free agency this year, who so far has taken less to stay with Patriots? Hightower if new reports are right the offers are almost the same, just a little less. Harmon got paid top of the market in my opinion. Gilmore, Guy, etc have been paid at top of market deals for what they do. Ryan left for a better deal. Butler wants out because he's not willing to take a team friendly deal. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2017 14:24:53 GMT -5
None of that has to do with relationships like you claimed though. It's all about money, pride and respect. Mostly money, which players take as a sign of respect. It had nothing to do with his relationship with Bill or the Patriots and everything to do about money. This is your quote. Not mine. I'll move along now... Wow you just took the whole middle part of my quote out, so it fit your point. Wow! |
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