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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2017 11:47:51 GMT -5
That's the scary part. As Rivers was a great value pick at our biggest need. I like Garcia, but it wasn't even close to as big of a need. If Rivers is gone, they likely take Garcia at 82 and don't trade up from 96. So they have an extra 4th round pick. Thing is what do they do at 96? They could have taken Hendrickson, but I get the feeling they would have taken Wise. I'm just happy we got Rivers, he really makes our draft. He is exactly the type of player we needed. I love the combo of Rivers and Wise.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 16, 2017 8:18:42 GMT -5
The Patriots off season is done. The only thing left is the Blount situation. One more run at a title, maybe two before Brady is done. Then back to mediocrity, unless Brady can keep looking younger somehow.
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Post by digit on May 19, 2017 8:45:41 GMT -5
After the recent Gisele comments, I'm thinking this -is- gonna be Brady's last year. If she's expressed this publicly, I have to think she's said many things in private similarly to Kraft and Belichick, and while I think Brady passed whatever protocols there is, Belichick is pretty aware, I think, that Gisele is going to push Brady to retire after this year, and that's why he's been holding on to Garoppolo so tightly.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 19, 2017 8:53:29 GMT -5
Bookend his career with 3 Super Bowls in 4 years... gets his 6th ring and 5th super bowl MVP... i would sign up for that... extend Jimmy and franchise Butler so jimmy can win a title his first year as a starter - keep the train running. Choo Choo!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 19, 2017 8:54:35 GMT -5
So Blount signed somewhere, so the Patriots get a third round compensatory pick I'm guessing?
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Post by rjp313jr on May 19, 2017 9:02:24 GMT -5
So Blount signed somewhere, so the Patriots get a third round compensatory pick I'm guessing? No, they might get a 7th but more than likely it just protects the 4tt and 5th rd picks they are expected to get now. The Comp formula has never been released but we know the General frame work of it. It has to do with both contracts signed and playing time and production of free agents lost and gained. Therefore it can change and you don't know it until the season ends. Having Blount count helps protect the Patriots should someone else not perform as well but the contract is small so vest we can really gain is a 7, but if we keep a 5th because of it that's more important than the 7 gainer. www.patspulpit.com/2017/5/17/15653498/patriots-gamble-pays-off-eagles-sign-rb-legarrette-blount-to-1-year-deal |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 20, 2017 8:50:40 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2017 7:18:06 GMT -5
So last offseason, a lot of people including people here, called James White a possible and even likely camp cut. I just laughed at that notion as I couldn't understand it. Sure last year was his breakout year but it really shouldn't have been a surprise for anyone watching the team.
Now this season people are talking the same way about Dion Lewis. I have to be honest, although different situations, I still find that as pretty laughable. Why in gods name would you cut Dion Lewis or trade him for a mid/late round pick with his tiny cap figure? He's about to be a full year removed from his last knee injury which should make him more explosive. Does he project to get a ton of playing time? No but all the more reason you can keep him fresh and healthy and explosive. Also, all the more reason why you can use him as a primary kick returner without hesitation and have some explosiveness back there.
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Post by digit on May 23, 2017 9:59:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I dunno. I'd just keep him and cut Bolden. Bolden strikes me as the kind of guy you can pick up anytime when you need him, because he's pretty much purely a special teamer. A very damned good one, granted, but NE has a lot of UDFAs players who could stand some development time -and- can play special teams.
Right now the way I see the RB picture:
Gillislee, Burkhead, White, Lewis, Foster.
The only real reason to ditch him might be that he gets injured too easily, but... eh. If that happens, stick him on the IR, especially with the change to the IR rules.
Actually, has the proposed change to the IR rules been approved? I thought they had the vote on this yesterday.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 23, 2017 10:41:40 GMT -5
For me it was mainly pre-draft if you got a player you really liked. Right now I see one every down RB and 3 pass catching RBs. If Gillislee goes down we might have an issue. I know some of you think Burkhead can be an every down RB, I'm a bit skeptical of that. I also wonder what type of role Lewis will have next year. There also the worry that he gets injured a lot. If Blount had excepted there offer it would have been an interesting cut down day, that's for sure.
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Post by digit on May 23, 2017 12:03:24 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2017 16:31:58 GMT -5
Nice new deal for Gronk
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2017 18:17:27 GMT -5
It's interesting to see the Patriots willingly give away money they didn't need to on a player that they have for 3 more years should they want him.
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Post by jmei on May 23, 2017 20:11:05 GMT -5
The Patriots aren't in the business of giving away free money, and they almost certainly got something out of the restructuring that hasn't yet been publicly disclosed. I suspect the restructuring lowered Gronk's cap hit (e.g., by converting some of his previously-guaranteed salary into NLTBE incentives) and maybe had other effects as well.
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Post by michael on May 27, 2017 18:10:48 GMT -5
I'd offer that while not a be all or end all ST performance is a consideration. Bolden is a superior ST guy.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 27, 2017 18:24:18 GMT -5
The Patriots aren't in the business of giving away free money, and they almost certainly got something out of the restructuring that hasn't yet been publicly disclosed. I suspect the restructuring lowered Gronk's cap hit (e.g., by converting some of his previously-guaranteed salary into NLTBE incentives) and maybe had other effects as well. One theory I heard is the team and Gronk's camp have somewhat disagreed at times on when he's ready to return. This contact does two things: 1. It gives Gronk a chance to make more money which should make him happy as his contact is undervalued. 2. It also gives him and the camp motivation to be on the field. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 6:47:02 GMT -5
Julian Edelman just had his 31rst birthday yesterday and Tom will be 40 at the start of the season. Edelman is also on his last year of his contract this season. Gronk is also starting to create a lot of cap money problems starting next year (in guaranteed dollars).
Hate to actually think like this, but this team could look totally different by this time next year.
I'm going to enjoy this off-season thinking it might be the last chance to go for it. Who knows, maybe Brady has one more year in him next year and Edelman takes a team friendly one or two year deal to stay for yet another run but I'm not expecting it.
Enjoy this while it lasts. We have no idea what Jimmy G is yet in this league, so I hope the Patriots and Tom Brady can get one more dynasty with a championship this last year. Not many can say they've been through 2 dynasties as a player.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 11:52:46 GMT -5
I don't see two dynasties, I just see one lasting like 20 years. Maybe the most impressive run you will ever see in modern day football. They never stopped winning, they just lost a few Superbowls and in the division title games. Look at there run of division titles. I don't remember the exact figure but it's like 16 out of the 17 years they have won the divison. With the one year being when Brady got injured and they still won 11 games, but missed playoffs. The stuff of legends with the parity in modern day football.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 29, 2017 13:08:31 GMT -5
You don't do what the Pats did with Gronks contract if you plan to move on from him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 21:39:13 GMT -5
You don't do what the Pats did with Gronks contract if you plan to move on from him. I see it as a way that the Patriots want to give Gronk a incentive to stay on the field, which he has had some reservations in the past doing when he wasn't 100 percent. Now he has the incentive to play. Imo, it had nothing to do with his future in New England. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 21:42:09 GMT -5
Gronk isn't going anywhere unless he suffers a career ending injury.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 21:45:44 GMT -5
Gronk isn't going anywhere unless he suffers a career ending injury. Not at the moment, but a year or two from now..... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 21:52:59 GMT -5
Gronk isn't going anywhere unless he suffers a career ending injury. Not at the moment, but a year or two from now..... Or when his contract runs out. His cap # is not an issue. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 21:57:24 GMT -5
Not at the moment, but a year or two from now..... Or when his contract runs out. His cap # is not an issue. His health history and age is. Maximizing a return from him is also a huge factor. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 22:02:22 GMT -5
Or when his contract runs out. His cap # is not an issue. His health history and age is. Maximizing a return from him is also a huge factor. He's 28 years old. Injuries are a big worry, but his below market deal helps make up for that. |
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