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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2017 13:52:58 GMT -5
Would you rather the 3rd pick and a 3rd rd from the bears or 12 and a second from Cleveland? Hypothetically Haha, that's like asking if you want a Porsche or a Lamborghini. I would be fine with either. It really comes down to if you really like a player in that 3-11 range, if not take the Browns offer. I think I would take Brown's offer, that's like two first round picks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2017 13:59:49 GMT -5
If you get #12 pick, I take it in two seconds. I also wouldn't mind them getting a Mike Williams with that pick. I know it's a long shot that Bill doesn't go D. Thing is an elite #1 receiver would be awesome. Brady finishing out his career with most weapons he's every had. I'd take Howard before Williams... call me crazy but I think he fits better in this offense. You think he's that good? To take a TE that high, he needs to have Gronk like upside and Howard's production worries me. Also it's a great TE class, you can get a good one in 2nd and 3rd rounds. Mike Williams looks like a legit #1 receiver in the mold of Jones. If not for past injury he would most likely be a top 10 pick. Brady has never played with a receiver like him. The ability to just throw it up to Williams like you do with Gronk would be huge for Brady. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2017 14:09:40 GMT -5
Would you rather the 3rd pick and a 3rd rd from the bears or 12 and a second from Cleveland? Hypothetically Haha, that's like asking if you want a Porsche or a Lamborghini. I would be fine with either. It really comes down to if you really like a player in that 3-11 range, if not take the Browns offer. I think I would take Brown's offer, that's like two first round picks. In this draft I'd rather the Browns offer too... I'm not saying that's what they will get |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2017 14:18:27 GMT -5
I'd take Howard before Williams... call me crazy but I think he fits better in this offense. You think he's that good? To take a TE that high, he needs to have Gronk like upside and Howard's production worries me. Also it's a great TE class, you can get a good one in 2nd and 3rd rounds. Mike Williams looks like a legit #1 receiver in the mold of Jones. If not for past injury he would most likely be a top 10 pick. Brady has never played with a receiver like him. The ability to just throw it up to Williams like you do with Gronk would be huge for Brady. I do think he's that good. His production wasn't that good because Saban left him in to block. Which is part of what makes him so perfect for this team. Two great blocking tight ends both who can go out would make this offense even more difficult. It also provides a great insurance policy. When Gronk is injured and they don't have a Bennett type to be there this offense suffers greatly. It's not a knock on Williams, I just think the stud wide receiver is over rated, especially in our offense. Julio Jones is the exception. There's only one Julio. Edelman, Hogan and Mitchell are all good enough. I generally hate drafting need but we are at the end of Brady's career. On another note, splitting hairs but I might like Davis better than Williams. Trust, me if they took Williams I'd be excited. The thought of Brady with a big target down field and a big catch radius is a beautiful one. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 15:09:20 GMT -5
Would you rather the 3rd pick and a 3rd rd from the bears or 12 and a second from Cleveland? Hypothetically I would take the 12 and 33 then take an Alabama player. I like Reuben Foster and wouldn't mind if the Pats traded up from 12 to get him or Howard if he was still there at 12. Foster is going to be a tackling machine in the NFL, Pro Bowl player quickly. Howard should be very good also, love the fact that he blocks. So many TE's that put up good receiving numbers are minimal blockers, that could be changing but historically they were big WRs. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 28, 2017 15:16:45 GMT -5
Hightower reportedly won't get the franchise tag. Just not a lot of value to tag him. The Patriots are probably hoping he comes back and at a lesser price than another team will probably offer him.
It's looking like Hightower could be gone if another team blows him away with a offer.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 28, 2017 15:28:09 GMT -5
That would make me sad. BTW - he was on my flight to Nashville on Friday.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 15:33:12 GMT -5
Does Adrian Peterson want to win a Super Bowl or get all the money? He has made a ton of money and might only have 2 more years left to get a ring. I think he has enough left in the tank to be a huge addition to the Pats, I would feel like GS getting Durant. I know its not on that level but think about that for a second. Brady is already a great play action QB, imagine if that guy was AP. Imagine TB, AP, Gronk and Edelman out there for the D to game plan for. In that offense AP would put up big numbers.
BB always surprises us, I think he would kick that tire he loves great old vets who haven't won. What would it cost? 2 years 8 million guaranteed, 12 million maxing out. Is that too low? I am serious, this would be awesome. Roger Goodell would love it!
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 28, 2017 15:33:52 GMT -5
Does Adrian Peterson want to win a Super Bowl or get all the money? He has made a ton of money and might only have 2 more years left to get a ring. I think he has enough left in the tank to be a huge addition to the Pats, I would feel like GS getting Durant. I know its not on that level but think about that for a second. Brady is already a great play action QB, imagine if that guy was AP. Imagine TB, AP, Gronk and Edelman out there for the D to game plan for. In that offense AP would put up big numbers. BB always surprises us, I think he would kick that tire he loves great old vets who haven't won. What would it cost? 2 years 8 million guaranteed, 12 million maxing out. Is that too low? I am serious, this would be awesome. Roger Goodell would love it! He's exactly the type of player the Pats will have zero interest in. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 15:42:47 GMT -5
Hightower reportedly won't get the franchise tag. Just not a lot of value to tag him. The Patriots are probably hoping he comes back and at a lesser price than another team will probably offer him. It's looking like Hightower could be gone if another team blows him away with a offer. That has been what I have expected all along and would have been surprised if he was. I said it last week it would depend on the competition. The Pats let McCourty do the same thing and he came back so I'm not concerned. As I stated before he has an injury history and it should affect his value so its good to go out there and see what teams think. I doubt he will get a monster deal but I am probably wrong. He will get around 12-13 million per. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 15:43:42 GMT -5
Does Adrian Peterson want to win a Super Bowl or get all the money? He has made a ton of money and might only have 2 more years left to get a ring. I think he has enough left in the tank to be a huge addition to the Pats, I would feel like GS getting Durant. I know its not on that level but think about that for a second. Brady is already a great play action QB, imagine if that guy was AP. Imagine TB, AP, Gronk and Edelman out there for the D to game plan for. In that offense AP would put up big numbers. BB always surprises us, I think he would kick that tire he loves great old vets who haven't won. What would it cost? 2 years 8 million guaranteed, 12 million maxing out. Is that too low? I am serious, this would be awesome. Roger Goodell would love it! He's exactly the type of player the Pats will have zero interest in. You couldn't be more wrong. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 15:53:19 GMT -5
In fact the people who put their money where their mouth is have got the Pats being the 4th most likely spot for him to end up, Vegas
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2017 16:29:07 GMT -5
Hightower reportedly won't get the franchise tag. Just not a lot of value to tag him. The Patriots are probably hoping he comes back and at a lesser price than another team will probably offer him. It's looking like Hightower could be gone if another team blows him away with a offer. That has been what I have expected all along and would have been surprised if he was. I said it last week it would depend on the competition. The Pats let McCourty do the same thing and he came back so I'm not concerned. As I stated before he has an injury history and it should affect his value so its good to go out there and see what teams think. I doubt he will get a monster deal but I am probably wrong. He will get around 12-13 million per. The Pats don't want to franchise him because that dollar amount is above his annual value when someone anyone signs him. So you just wait and match any offer he gets and you save money. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2017 16:31:26 GMT -5
He's exactly the type of player the Pats will have zero interest in. You couldn't be more wrong. I disagree, the Pats won't have interest for a couple reasons: 1. He admitted to beating his kid with a stick and that's nothing the Organization cares to deal with. 2. He's blown out his knee how many times now? And last year in limited action he averaged 3.1 yards a carry. You think they are going to pay 4m a year for a broken down back? I'd rather take a change on Jamal Charles than Peterson. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 17:05:45 GMT -5
How long is the list of great players that BB has targeted late in their career, regardless of baggage? It is a long list.
And Jamal Charles is a stiff in comparison, just saying.
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Post by jmei on Feb 28, 2017 17:12:55 GMT -5
He's exactly the type of player the Pats will have zero interest in. You couldn't be more wrong. Peterson has very limited versatility (poor receiver and pass protector). He has durability concerns and has a lot of tread on his tires. He's openly lobbied for more touches in Minnesota. His recent tape hasn't looked very good. He's going to require a contract that is at least double (more likely triple or higher) what guys like Blount are going to get. We're not talking about Randy Moss here, who still had all the athletic ability and was willing to restructure his contract to come to New England. As for the Vegas stuff-- it's an offseason prop bet, not the kind of bet that any real money will be wagered on. |
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 28, 2017 17:40:51 GMT -5
You're welcome to get your hopes up about the Pats signing AP if you'd like.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2017 18:46:20 GMT -5
My hopes aren't that high on it but I do think it is a possibility. I also think he would have a big year.
He might be 31 this year but he has basically had 2 of the last 3 seasons off from being hit. I would say he is not like your typical 31 yr old RB.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 28, 2017 19:20:53 GMT -5
You couldn't be more wrong. 1. He admitted to beating his kid with a stick and that's nothing the Organization cares to deal with. Sorry to pick off a part of your post, but did the Michael Floyd signing really not put to bed the whole "Patriot Way" thing? Seriously, it's like the Pats don't sign guys who did something bad or have attitude issues... unless they sign them in which case they're reclamation projects that only the Patriots can fix. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2017 19:26:47 GMT -5
1. He admitted to beating his kid with a stick and that's nothing the Organization cares to deal with. Sorry to pick off a part of your post, but did the Michael Floyd signing really not put to bed the whole "Patriot Way" thing? Seriously, it's like the Pats don't sign guys who did something bad or have attitude issues... unless they sign them in which case they're reclamation projects that only the Patriots can fix. I never said the Patriots were saints but beating a kick with stick (switch?) and driving drunk are hardly the same things. Also the Patriots have pretty much flat out said they won't condone any type of domestic violence; why would they open themselves up to questions on child abuse? www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4768108/jonathan-kraft-on-rice-peterson-casesBy the way, personally, I would have no issues with Peterson here. I just don't think they will. I don't think Floyd has a thing to do with it. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 28, 2017 19:50:33 GMT -5
Floyd's BAC of .217 would have taken him at least TEN drinks in an hour to get to at his weight - this isn't a situation where he had a couple and was barely over the limit. And this was his second DUI - he was arrested during college with a BAC .19. He clearly has a problem, but the Patriots snagged him like a day after he got cut. He easily could have killed himself and any number of people - they found him completely asleep at a stop light, and if you watch the video, he's clearly shithammered. If he'd fallen asleep while moving, he's probably dead and so might any number of others on the road.
Anyway, this is a tangent and probably not a worthwhile one, so I'm done, but I stand by my point that the Peterson switch thing won't be what stops the Patriots from signing him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2017 19:55:14 GMT -5
And we will never know unless the sign him. Overall though, in the world of the NFL, drunk driving isn't looked that badly upon. Not here to argue that's right just stating the reality. And no where did I imply the Patriots or their players were saints, if that's how the post read it wasn't meant that way.
If they do sign Peterson, I will find it hypocritical based on their domestic violence outspokenness.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 28, 2017 20:07:39 GMT -5
The character thing has always been a myth.
The Pats care about one thing, and one thing only: will a player provide good value for the money he's signed for? Nothing else matters much to them.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 28, 2017 20:52:34 GMT -5
I do think there are certain types of character issues that they'd stay away from, namely violence against women and children. Call it the ghost of Myra looking over their shoulders.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 1, 2017 1:19:08 GMT -5
I think the Patriots will resign Blount. He'll be cheaper than Peterson and that's what the Patriots really look for. Blount is also more durable and doesn't fumble a lot. Something the Patriots value a ton at that position.
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