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Post by jimed14 on Jul 7, 2017 16:38:51 GMT -5
Maybe this has been discussed before - or possibly tried by some major league teams. What's to prevent Boston from getting around the pool's constraints by offering a player (like Thompson, who had a tough choice to make by signing under slot) whatever money the teams could in order to fit under the cap, BUT *wink, wink*, telling the player he'll more than make up any difference in year two/three, assuming he's healthy... and regardless of how he performs? If Boston could get away with that end around, it would be more like in years past where they could toss extra money at tough signs. That's not worth much, given the possibility of not making it or being traded or Dombrowski no longer being there. Not even worth attempting IMO. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 7, 2017 16:41:15 GMT -5
Maybe this has been discussed before - or possibly tried by some major league teams. What's to prevent Boston from getting around the pool's constraints by offering a player (like Thompson, who had a tough choice to make by signing under slot) whatever money the teams could in order to fit under the cap, BUT *wink, wink*, telling the player he'll more than make up any difference in year two/three, assuming he's healthy... and regardless of how he performs? If Boston could get away with that end around, it would be more like in years past where they could toss extra money at tough signs. The Red Sox got burned with trying to circumvent the international signing limits. I would suspect that if MLB caught them again trying to circumvent signing bonuses the next penalty would be much more severe, such as suspensions of management personnel, significant fines and possible loss of draft picks. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 7, 2017 16:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 7, 2017 16:44:50 GMT -5
Kind of insane that we signed 33 guys. I imagine that has something to do with trading so many prospects in sheer numbers as well as missing a year of international signings.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 7, 2017 16:45:34 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can be an Orioles fan. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 7, 2017 16:58:36 GMT -5
Yup, and the 4th round is the first round in which you can't receive a comp pick for a player not signing. Way to go Baltimore. Well New York, Tampa, and Toronto seemed to do pretty well for themselves between the draft and the international market, so at least we have one team in our division that did not.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 7, 2017 18:38:04 GMT -5
Regarding Jack Conlon: Have we seen this situation before in which a HS player becomes an unrestricted free agent? I can't recall this happening. Where do you see the bidding ending up? This should be really interesting.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 7, 2017 18:52:06 GMT -5
Seriously, we need to consider this is an epic draft in terms of great baseball names. Somewhere earlier in the thread another poster already commented on Beau Hanna, but this draft is packed with exceptional baseball names. These are just a few
Zack Schellenger
Xavier LeGrant
Dominic LoBrutto
Trey Ganns
Kutter Crawford (that's just insanely good)
It's likely all of them become MLB regulars based upon name strength alone. I've got Crawford tabbed as my new binky and I'm fully planning on a HOF career for him.
By way of comparison, of those that actually signed from 2016, only 22nd rounder Granger Studdard would get a mention with this group.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 7, 2017 18:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 7, 2017 20:19:06 GMT -5
What have noticed last couple of years about the Orioles GCL team is that it has been loaded with Caribbean players that are both HUGE and power hitters, or probably signed as such. They had one gentleman last season.. think was playing 1b must have been 250lb+ Not seen and southern division games yet.. Maybe steveinbradenton, or sarasoxer has. We're heading down end of this month tho and may be able to chk out a game with the O's team. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2017 23:20:37 GMT -5
Between the draft and the International Free Agents, the Sox staff has done an incredible restocking job. A clear A+ when viewed in tandem.
The SP staff will have their work cut out for them when they revamp the rankings on the 15th.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 8, 2017 2:57:11 GMT -5
Between the draft and the International Free Agents, the Sox staff has done an incredible restocking job. A clear A+ when viewed in tandem. The SP staff will have their work cut out for them when they revamp the rankings on the 15th. Hopefully the rankings will not require much work after July 31. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 8, 2017 4:12:48 GMT -5
Love the haul overall for a team not picking in the 20's. Once you're in lottery ticket range, you're going for volume. Gotta think a couple of the guys outside the 10 become interesting at some point. Wonder if it will mean more guys in the low minors (and even Raudes, Ockimey) end up being the trade chips this year.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 8, 2017 4:16:05 GMT -5
MLB may be the one draft system where it's fair to grade a draft right after in terms of strategy, number signs, etc. Other sports you're stuck with the consensus best talent that falls to you. You can't tell who will end up succeeding at MLB level, but from a strategy/signing perspective, it must rank up there this year.
(Sorry if I missed an old conversation about this, Ive been working)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2017 8:29:39 GMT -5
Maybe this has been discussed before - or possibly tried by some major league teams. What's to prevent Boston from getting around the pool's constraints by offering a player (like Thompson, who had a tough choice to make by signing under slot) whatever money the teams could in order to fit under the cap, BUT *wink, wink*, telling the player he'll more than make up any difference in year two/three, assuming he's healthy... and regardless of how he performs? If Boston could get away with that end around, it would be more like in years past where they could toss extra money at tough signs. The 7-year player contract all of these guys sign is uniform, with uniform salaries at each level up the ladder. The clubs aren't going to break precedent from that, especially while there's a lawsuit going on that minor league players are underpaid. |
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Post by rasimon on Jul 8, 2017 9:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 8, 2017 9:45:40 GMT -5
Did Thompson sign yet?? Just kidding. What is a normal or expected number of prospects to come into the system On any given year? Between the 2 drafts I saw a number of 63. Sounds like a high number to absorb in the system.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 8, 2017 11:46:16 GMT -5
What have noticed last couple of years about the Orioles GCL team is that it has been loaded with Caribbean players that are both HUGE and power hitters, or probably signed as such. They had one gentleman last season.. think was playing 1b must have been 250lb+ Not seen and southern division games yet.. Maybe steveinbradenton, or sarasoxer has. We're heading down end of this month tho and may be able to chk out a game with the O's team. John I saw the Sox and Orioles play on Thursday at Ed Smith. While I was not paying particular attention to the Orioles' players/names, I had a subliminal feeling that it was a big team....bigger on average than the Sox. As I reflect, that has been the case in past years. Brannen looked good at the plate with a couple of sharp hits and a line-out to second....Suarez the same. Esplin did not play. I had fun talking with Angel Berroa, Jr....10 year old son of Sox coach/former major leaguer. He is fluently bi-lingual and acted as interpreter when I spoke to several non-english speaking players. Very knowledgeable about the game, he gave me the run down on all the Sox GCL players. Met Chad Hardy. Kory Behenna. Reniel Adames....all really nice kids. Behenna relieved and walked 4 or 5 in a short relief stint but it was misleading as he was just missing. |
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Post by azblue on Jul 8, 2017 11:46:59 GMT -5
If the Sox intend to field 2 DSL teams next season (as they did before they lost 5(?) signed players two years ago and were banned from signing international free agents in the last signing period), 63 new signs is manageable.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2017 10:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by kman22 on Jul 9, 2017 13:16:16 GMT -5
Any chance the Red Sox pursue Rasmussen or Conlon (or other free agents)?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 9, 2017 16:39:07 GMT -5
According to BA's draft tracker Perry got $172,500 and Dave Durden got $125,000.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 9, 2017 20:43:14 GMT -5
Any chance the Red Sox pursue Rasmussen or Conlon (or other free agents)? Rasmussen isn't a free agent but I'm pretty sure the Sox will be heavily in on Conlon, even if he needs TJ. It's doesn't go against any caps. |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 10, 2017 6:27:23 GMT -5
Any chance the Red Sox pursue Rasmussen or Conlon (or other free agents)? Rasmussen isn't a free agent but I'm pretty sure the Sox will be heavily in on Conlon, even if he needs TJ. It's doesn't go against any caps. Interesting. Why wouldn't it count against the cap? Not sure I get the logic. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 10, 2017 7:10:37 GMT -5
Rasmussen isn't a free agent but I'm pretty sure the Sox will be heavily in on Conlon, even if he needs TJ. It's doesn't go against any caps. Interesting. Why wouldn't it count against the cap? Not sure I get the logic. He's a total free agent not an undrafted free agent. When a team fails to offer at least 40% of slot they become free agents not subject to draft limitations. He's about to make a lot of money. Rasmussen isn't one because he didn't submit himself for a pre-draft physical which was required to protect his position. |
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