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Kyrie Irving to Boston for Thomas, Crowder, Nets 1st, Zizic
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Post by tizzle on Aug 27, 2017 0:26:02 GMT -5
You know, the more I think about this, the more I think that Danny should really tell that unprofessional a**hole they got GMing for the Cavs to go f*ck himself and walk away from this. I really *really* think he's trying to pull a fast one. Yeah. If they really think IT's hip significantly limits their shot at the Finals, then they can't do the trade. An extra 1st doesn't make up for that. They're just trying to get more out of us. Call their bluff. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 27, 2017 5:33:29 GMT -5
After thinking this through I would add the 2019 Celtics pick lottery protected. Only condition is that Thomas has to miss over half the season due to the hip issue.
It makes it seem like Cavs win. In reality if Thomas is that injured it's worth the first to have Irving. In Thomas contract year he is going to want to play, prove he is healthy and earn that huge contract he wants(and deserves). So if he misses that much time his injury is really bad.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 27, 2017 6:37:43 GMT -5
After thinking this through I would add the 2019 Celtics pick lottery protected. Only condition is that Thomas has to miss over half the season due to the hip issue. It makes it seem like Cavs win. In reality if Thomas is that injured it's worth the first to have Irving. In Thomas contract year he is going to want to play, prove he is healthy and earn that huge contract he wants(and deserves). So if he misses that much time his injury is really bad. This is what I was thinking also. Celtics throw in a late 1st rd pick conditional on IT's playing time this year due to the hip injury. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 27, 2017 6:53:19 GMT -5
Yesterday Bobby Marks said you can't put playing time conditions on a pick. Then he said it's never happened. Little confusing as to whether it's plain illegal or that it just hasn't been done before.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 27, 2017 7:11:12 GMT -5
Yesterday Bobby Marks said you can't put playing time conditions on a pick. Then he said it's never happened. Little confusing as to whether it's plain illegal or that it just hasn't been done before. Didn't see Marks comments but was wondering about that as I was typing it. It would make sense but I don't know the NBAs rule. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 9:53:21 GMT -5
I thought the Celtcs gave up too much already in the trade. Anything more than a James Young/Jordan Mickey type player is Ainge acting like Theon Greyjoy. I'd trade players not on the roster too |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 9:56:17 GMT -5
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If they know he will be back this year, him missing 2 weeks or 2 months shouldn't much matter to them. They will coast into the playoffs either way and obviously don't care about seeding. This sounds more like a shakedown than anything |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 9:58:57 GMT -5
I don't think the playing time in the regular season should be a consideration. I'd tie it to the same hip injury limiting him in the playoffs. Cleveland had shown they don't care about seeding and it makes all the sense in the world for them to rest him as min as possible so he's healed and I wouldn't add incentive to that. Regardless, another first rd pick is BS.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 10:01:58 GMT -5
I'm going to bring up a question that's probably stupid to ask but I can't get it out of my head. We all know sports doesn't have loyalties on any sides - except in rare rare instances. However, NBA players seem especially sensitive and I feel like the Celtics had just become a destination spot. Does the shocking trade of the teams face and heart and soul have an affect on that? Does it affect your ability to resign any of your young guys in any way because they are now thinking IT got dealt, there's no way I'm safe?
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 27, 2017 10:07:58 GMT -5
I'm going to bring up a question that's probably stupid to ask but I can't get it out of my head. We all know sports doesn't have loyalties on any sides - except in rare rare instances. However, NBA players seem especially sensitive and I feel like the Celtics had just become a destination spot. Does the shocking trade of the teams face and heart and soul have an affect on that? Does it affect your ability to resign any of your young guys in any way because they are now thinking IT got dealt, there's no way I'm safe? Winning cures all and I think they wouldn't have cap space to sign anyone significant until Al's contract is up so it's like whatever. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 27, 2017 10:11:13 GMT -5
I'd like to think players would recognize how unique these circumstances are. In a perfect world, Boston would love to keep IT. But given his public "demands" for the max, it'd be tough.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 10:52:04 GMT -5
It's actually very easy from a players perspective. You pay him. If you don't it's not like you open cap space. He averaged 29ppg... those are guys you pay in the eyes of an NbA player. Plus he was the heart of the team and did everything the team asked.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 11:09:16 GMT -5
I'm going to bring up a question that's probably stupid to ask but I can't get it out of my head. We all know sports doesn't have loyalties on any sides - except in rare rare instances. However, NBA players seem especially sensitive and I feel like the Celtics had just become a destination spot. Does the shocking trade of the teams face and heart and soul have an affect on that? Does it affect your ability to resign any of your young guys in any way because they are now thinking IT got dealt, there's no way I'm safe? Winning cures all and I think they wouldn't have cap space to sign anyone significant until Al's contract is up so it's like whatever. Yea I generally agree with this... just wonder if it will affect their own guys. Like maybe Smart goes to market before he resigns here. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 11:10:13 GMT -5
I really want to find the one fan who burned an IT jersey and beat his ass. Now there is a narrative that Boston fans hated IT and have no loyalty because of what's jackass.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 27, 2017 12:47:40 GMT -5
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If they know he will be back this year, him missing 2 weeks or 2 months shouldn't much matter to them. They will coast into the playoffs either way and obviously don't care about seeding. This sounds more like a shakedown than anything This doesn't make sense to me. The Cavs didn't play well last year, but it wasn't for lack of trying. James played the most minutes per games in 3 years. They wanted to win and get the #1 seed. It's not like they are a lock to be a top 2 seed if Thomas misses two months. Nevermind it gives them less time to bond as a team. It sure does seem like a shakedown, that's for sure. That being said if you can add restrictions like games missed to picks it makes sense. That way they only get more if our doctors were wrong and the Cavs were right. |
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Aug 27, 2017 13:15:08 GMT -5
Let the Cavs keep Irving and try to get a better deal elsewhere. Call their bluff. Celts won't be giving Thomas a max contract. We can dump him if we want to or simply let him walk and free up plenty of $$$ for our young core and bounty of first rounders. I thought Boston gave up a bit too much for Irving in the first place.
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Post by runabus on Aug 27, 2017 14:49:20 GMT -5
Let the Cavs keep Irving and try to get a better deal elsewhere. Call their bluff. Celts won't be giving Thomas a max contract. We can dump him if we want to or simply let him walk and free up plenty of $$$ for our young core and bounty of first rounders. I thought Boston gave up a bit too much for Irving in the first place. Completely agree, much worse for Cavs than for us if the deal falls through. Good to see Danny standing strong. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 18:57:18 GMT -5
They want Brown or Tatum added.... I hope Danny just start dying laughing on the phone and hangs up then doesn't answer a call from them until the deadline passes.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 27, 2017 19:28:01 GMT -5
They want Brown or Tatum added.... I hope Danny just start dying laughing on the phone and hangs up then doesn't answer a call from them until the deadline passes. Where did you see that? |
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 27, 2017 19:39:33 GMT -5
They want Brown or Tatum added.... I hope Danny just start dying laughing on the phone and hangs up then doesn't answer a call from them until the deadline passes. Ok Cleveland, I will give you Brown or Tatum only for Irving. |
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Post by tizzle on Aug 27, 2017 20:02:48 GMT -5
If they're asking for Brown or Tatum, that feels like a negotiating strategy- ask for one of them figuring Danny would never agree and then be prepared to "settle" for the LA pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 20:13:54 GMT -5
They want Brown or Tatum added.... I hope Danny just start dying laughing on the phone and hangs up then doesn't answer a call from them until the deadline passes. Where did you see that? On the internet 🙄 |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 20:14:59 GMT -5
If they're asking for Brown or Tatum, that feels like a negotiating strategy- ask for one of them figuring Danny would never agree and then be prepared to "settle" for the LA pick. Mannix is saying the Celtics are saying no firsts no Tatum and no Brown. Basically, telling Cavs they knew the situation upfront we aren't changing the deal. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2017 20:15:46 GMT -5
They want Brown or Tatum added.... I hope Danny just start dying laughing on the phone and hangs up then doesn't answer a call from them until the deadline passes. Ok Cleveland, I will give you Brown or Tatum only for Irving. That's not even possible |
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 27, 2017 20:26:37 GMT -5
Ok Cleveland, I will give you Brown or Tatum only for Irving. That's not even possible It's not from Cavs perspective but we already have given up 4 players. I'm not adding more to the pot especially young Brown or Tatum. If they really want one of them while knowing Irving is gone, I'll give them one or the other in a swap and be done. Return of serve. At this point I would give no more than a second. Otherwise rescind the deal. |
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